Things you're tired of telling non-comic fans.

Does anybody else have an issue where they continually have to keep telling people about a certain form of Cowboy BeBop at His Computer?

Today marks about the billionth time that I had to say 'yes, they're still making Superman comics, and yes they made them for a long time even after he 'died'.'

No, Aquaman can do things other than talking to fish.

"No, this Spider does NOT shoot webs. He'd make you shit your pants if you asked him that."

"Batman is much darker than Spiderman." Well it's not something I have to say anymore but I did have tell people it a while back. They compared the Spiderman films to the Batman of the TV show. Or perhaps Batman And Robin, but yeah.

edited 1st Mar '11 9:35:13 PM by Gvzbgul

"No, Superman is NOT dumber than Batman."

"Oh, them? They're burning Joe Quesada in effigy."

I get asked that every single time. This shouldn't surprise anyone by now.

Once again, Spider-man=Marvel and Batman=DC.

Most people I know also still think that the code against killing is pretty much a universal hero thing. But many heroes now a days will kill if it's the only option. (I'm not including 90's heroes here who kill because it's the easyist option. More like heroes such as Wonder Woman, Batman or Superman).

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:47:50 AM by Gvzbgul

I do have to defend Superman from being "boring and overpowered" quite frequently.

My brother from another mother.

Seconded.

Thirded.

I do have to defend Superman from being "boring and overpowered" quite frequently.

Exactly. He is boring, because he is overpowered, thats a completely different thing.

To a friend who read manga and has been asking people for other series to read which he may like and hates superheros and won't touch a comic.

' I don't know that much about manga but if you want a good visual medium stor yread preacher you will really enjoy it (I know Preacher ain't for everyone but personally I love it and I know he would too if he gave it a chance), it has nothing to do with superheros'

'no'

'why'

'it's a comic'

:@

He will read Bleach and Naruto but not Preacher, is this just me that this bothers

I think my main problem is people are ignorent about the genre, yes there are a lot of superheros but that is not all there is.

edited 2nd Mar '11 9:31:42 AM by TheBat

"No, Superman is NOT dumber than Batman."

Lolno. Isn't Batman supposed to be the world's greatest detective?

edited 2nd Mar '11 9:30:39 AM by silver2195

Years ago it was: "No, Joker did not kill Batman's parents," though the Dark Knight eventually blew that out of the water... though people claiming comics Joker ought to be Heath Ledger incarnate is annoying.

All the time, though, it's: "No, not having powers does not make Batman less of a superhero," and "no, he isn't characterized as being just a rich guy whose job anyone could do with enough money."

He may be the better detective but how does that translate to intelligence. They're best written as equals in every mind matter imo. They're just better in different aspects e.g. Clark probably knows more about alien cultures and customs.

First of all, Batman isn't always considered the "world's greatest detective". Depending On The Era, The Question, Ralph Dibny, or several other characters (such as fucking PLASTIC MAN) will have better deductive reasoning than Batman. What they DON'T have, however, is Batman's wealth, influence, fighting ability, gadgets or allies. I find it more realistic to believe that Batman is an "expert" at every field but not God-Mode Sue in every last one of them.

Second of all, Superman is an investigative reporter. That isn't a job to sneeze at. And again Depending On The Era, he possesses a eidetic memory, a mind with calculative abilities on par with a supercomputer, and an extremely high understanding of charisma and motivational psychology. This doesn't even BEGIN to touch upon his scientific expertise (in both terrestrial and extraterrestrial fields), inherited from the most brilliant mind on Krypton, which is constantly pitted against Lex Luthor, largely considered to be the smartest human being on Earth.

So let me say it again: "No. Superman is NOT dumber than Batman."

Al]l the time, though, it's: "No, not having powers does not make Batman less of a superhero, " and "no, he isn't characterized as being just a rich guy whose job anyone could do with enough money."

Thank God. Someone else gets it.

Exactly. He is boring, because he is overpowered, thats a completely different thing.

Nope. If anything, I'd argue that Superman's problem is that he usually isn't written powerful enough.

edited 2nd Mar '11 11:35:41 AM by KingZeal

"Superman's better than Batman because he has super-powers." No other reasons for being better; just that one. Seriously, if you're gonna explain why one character's better than another, at least elaborate a little.

"Comics are just for kids." Really? Well, here, Timmy, enjoy reading The Boys; just make sure to ask Mommy and Daddy why that man's face exploded.

"They're just guys in Capes-N-Spandex fighting killer robots." I don't even bother responding to comments in this vein, 'cause I'm so sick of trying to defend them. Worst of all, when you speak up, in some cases, you're instantly branded with every stereotype that this hobby entails.

^^

First, if you quote me, do it completely and second, this is my opinion on the character, so you can't really say no.

And thirdly, this is rather off-topic, how is Superman not powerful enough?

edited 2nd Mar '11 12:15:57 PM by eX

First, what did I leave out? Second, I can counter an opinion with my own if I want to, otherwise don't post it in an open forum.

Third, Superman's main problem is that writers are too lazy to use him properly in a shared universe. When Superman's world revolves around him and him alone, he functions much better as a character. The reason why is because Superman constantly has to be rebalanced in order to prevent him from outshining the other characters he shares his universe with. What's the point in having Wonder Woman around if Superman can throw an asteroid at Brainiac and be done with it?

I take the same approach to Superman that Grant Morrison does. Superman is a working-class superhero, meaning that Superman is the one superhero who is constantly on the job. Superman will rescue a cat from a tree just as surely as he will punch a rogue sun in the face. However, for some reason, most writers like to scale Superman's stories back so that he's constantly dealing with human interest stories. Don't get me wrong, I like watching Superman save Lois from bank robbers every now and again, but falling back on this type of story every time a new writer gets onboard is a waste of the character's potential.

One of the greatest strengths to Superman is that he is a man with the power of a GOD. Superman's primary asset is that he can literally give an Act Of God the finger. A tornado threatening San Francisco? Superman's got it covered. Nuclear armageddon just hours away? Big S is on the case. A black hole opened in the middle of the solar system? Superman can use kryptonian tech, powered by his own body moving at 1.8 lightspeed, to make the thing eat itself and send it into an alternate universe. Superman is THAT awesome, but because we can't have Barry Allen looking useless by comparison, we'll just have him turn his brain off for this storyarc.

Superman has a truly infinite well of stories that could be told even at his full power set. As long as there is an unknown for humans to wonder or something for us to fear, Superman will have something to fight. But writers don't see this, so they just have Lex kidnap Lois, throw some kryptonite in the story and call it a day. It's pretty much a pratfall of lazy writing, not of the character himself.

edited 2nd Mar '11 12:46:03 PM by KingZeal

To one and two, guess why I put a smile behind the statement. That normally indicates that a person is less than serious. And of course you can disagree with my opinion, but you can't just write no, because that wouldn't make any sense.

And I agree with you, but nevertheless, Superman currently is part of a shared universe and thus must be integrated somehow. But as of now, he is one man Spotlight-Stealing Squad, because they way he is handled doesn't suits the DCU at all. In this universe, he isn't exceptional, so all attempts to portray him as such, or as some perfect God normally fall flat on the ass. He is just one of several Superheroes, nothing more.

And for my personal opinion, I find it the scenario you describe sounds incredible boring, especially as a series. Each month, something happens and Superman effortlessly solves. Zero suspense. The only question is, what he will pull out off his ass this time. It might also have to with the fact that I hate people being portrayed infinitively better than others and Superman as God is a prime example of that.

So, I see Superman as God as his greatest weakness.

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:04:24 PM by eX

Basically, I have to defend Wonder Woman and Aquaman as legitimate badasses to pretty much everyone.

If you weren't being serious, then there was no reason to be offended by my response. All I did was disagree, not insult your opinion.

Also, you're overly generalizing the idea of success. Batman also invariably manages to save Gotham and New York will always survive despite the ridiculous amount of dangers it faces in the Marvel Universe, but what's important are the moral choices, hardships and fallout along the way. Success doesn't make Superman perfect, nor does being confident in his abilities. However, keeping in mind that he's a force of action and that his power set means that NOTHING is an impossibility are important themes that are CONSTANTLY forgotten in order to droll out the drama or the angst.

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:11:43 PM by KingZeal

Of course the heroes win in the end, that is almost always the case, but a good story builds up suspense on how and have the hero struggle. I think that this is impossible for Superman, because the character is just too overpowered. As for the the idea that nothing is impossible, I find this rather dull when you have infinity power.

And I was never offended, just annoyed that you just wrote "no".