General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

@Known:

I'm not saying that accomodating level design is exclusive to 2D, just that it's easier in 2D. It's easy to accomodate the flying and gliding characters into 2D Sonic levels because the verticality balances everyone out.

My point is that in a perfect world, yes it would be practical to design 3D Sonic levels around other characters who have the full extent of the flight and gliding.

But this isn't a perfect world. Realistically, if you want to put Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles along with the other characters who can fly/glide in the same levels, it's best to nerf them.

Otherwise we're either getting another incoherent game or a game where Sonic is pointless since the other characters can fly, glide, and climb over everything.

My point has been that it's a challenge but it's not something designers haven't done befooe if they really wanted yo. IIRC, Mario deals with a huge open world with specific levels for specific abilities/poweups/gameplay styles by using various differing areas of the same map for various objectives, or even by simply having specific levels designed for specific abilities, if that's what you're concerned about.

Again, this isn't some insurmountable problem that only a genius can figure out. It' not something that's only possible in "perfect world." It's something people have been figuring out since 3D platforming was a thing, and it's 101 for games with variety, especially platformers. Hell, fan games are starting to figure it out at this point.

If Sonic Team is going to take up the idea of "being creative is hard, so we should half ass it," then they might as well not even bother. They would deserve any criticism for being lazy and playing it too safe that they get, but they would probably get it worse by cutting out the characters' unique traits yet still presenting them as normal.

Also, as I've been saying, gliding is horizontal movement, so Knuckles should be fine regardless.

edited 27th Apr '17 2:05:12 PM by KnownUnknown

More news on the Archie Pack for Sonic World, and today we get our first look at Peppe Le Pew Geoffrey St.John, standing side by side with Bunnie.◊ Keep in mind that if you don't have Discord, the link might not work, but let's just hope it does. Honestly, the model's a bit too... Sonic-ie, but it's not bad. Either way, it still beats what Pender's doing to him. The poor bastard...

edited 28th Apr '17 6:46:15 AM by kkhohoho

@33872:

Not a thing, but an Omochao with omniscience would be a lot more interesting than an Omochao spouting things everyone knows as if he's learning them for the first time.

I feel like classic sonic is killing the majority of hype I would have for Forces. It seems interesting otherwise but it feels like the case with Unleashed, where modern sonic gets bogged down by a noticeably less fun play style. In fact classic sonic just feels forced especially since we're getting Mania to scratch that classic itch.

Sonic Team has vapor for brains.

How much you want to bet someone at Sonic Team has so much vapor they don't understand people die when they're killed?

It's possible. After all, Sonic didn't die when he was killed that one time.

-glares from really, really far across the room-

edited 27th Apr '17 8:32:59 PM by Soble

I'd have to agree that more playstyles isn't a good thing in itself, and in Sonic's case, has never been a good thing.

I want several characters in the same playstyle, I really do. But given a choice between only Sonic gameplay and multiple characters with their own playstyles, I'd go with the former.

Not that the former is impossible to mess up, though, as shown by Lost World and 60% of Colors.

look, I love the 2-D games, I grew up with them, but Modern Sonic in a Generations-style game is more fun than Classic.

Yeah, I gotta agree. Classic is fun, but I've had way more fun with the 3d games than I ever had with the Genesis titles. It's just very limited and simplistic.

I concur. The Boost games give me a lot of joy when I become more familiar with the stage and can blast through it at super sonic speeds. To me, Sonic is usually more fun the faster you can go. You can usually go much faster in the Boost games than you can in the Classic games. Ergo, the Boost games are more fun to me.

All are...fine.

They are. I will leave it at that.

x5 No idea. What I do know is that according to Wikipedia, the Echinda aren't actually Echidna. Instead, they're apparently fucking aliens who just happen to be called "Echyd'nya".And before you ask, yes, it's as stupid as it sounds.

Also, this is hilarious. It's an entire wiki wholly devoted to the Lara Su Chronicles and Ken Penders, but, well, just look at it:

It's freaking glorious.

edited 28th Apr '17 6:57:29 AM by kkhohoho

At first, I was baffled and thought "why would there be a 55-page wiki on something that's not even out yet?"

But then I actually looked around and saw pages for "Penders' Logic" and "Ken Penders' Fails," which made me think "is it insulting Penders on purpose?"

Also, apparently in Penders-Land, Shade, despite being an orange-ish time-displaced echidna with a futuristic battle suit, is a blatant rip-off of Lara-Su, a pink echidna with what appears to be a robot arm.

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WHY IS THIS FRIGGIN IDIOT NOT IN JAIL ALREADY?!

His sense of logic (or lack thereof) rivals that of Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne from Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, and I HATE that horrible piece of human shit!

So by my logic, Penders is a horrible piece of human shit!

And his artwork is still so appalling, someone would need to have their brain mauled by a bear to think "it's worthy of an ongoing series."

It's so bad, not even Image Comics would publish it as is! They'd give him an ultimatum:

• Get a different artist...
• ...or GTFO.

And if he goes with choice 2, Image would slap a restraining order on the guy, because Hell knows they already have enough self-contradicting, self-congratulating BS with Spawn!

(Deep breath)

And also he's fat.

edited 28th Apr '17 12:01:58 PM by TargetmasterJoe

"LSC offers only the most true and honest information. However, in the case that there is no information to offer, offering whatever information enters into one's mind is the most sensible and Pendersesque thing to do. Remember, if anyone knows Penders and what he is capable of, it is his fans."

It's funny because he probably has no fans at this point.

Given how many bridges he burned, the fact that you'd have to be a fan of the Sonic comics, not be turned off by the complete divorcement of canon, and want to follow Sonic original characters that can't reference their home franchise, that's a very small audience indeed.

It's baffling how this guy thought it would be a financially successful venture to split off his characters and make his own series. That's generous, to put it mildly.

Honestly, I'm not gonna lie: I actually loved Penders growing up. Now before you draw your torches and pitchforks, hear me out. When I was a kid, Penders seemed like the shit. To my little 7 year old mind, his comics appeared to be an incredible tour de force of action and intrigue, with cults and conspiracies and history, and it was (as far I was concerned anyway,) loads better than what was going on in the Sonic comic at the time. Of course now, nearly 20 years later, I know they were really fucking shit and that Penders is a fucking hack, but back then, I didn't really know any better.

But the point is, there was a time when Penders was actually loved and respected, because I wasn't the only one drawn in by his BS. Knuckles' own series had some darn good sales for the first two or so years, and when the strip moved to Sonic proper, it kept on trucking for only God knows how long. And there are still some articles out there from nostalgic 20 somethings saying that Penders was the shit who probably have never looked back at his work nowadays with their Grown Man hats on. Yes, Penders was a tool, but the reason he was able to work on Sonic for so long was that, for the longest time, no-one knew he was one.

edited 28th Apr '17 12:29:00 PM by kkhohoho

Yeah well, nuts to him!

I'd rather skydive on a whim than read anything the man pulls out of his own fat ass!

And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has that sentiment, now am I?

Plus, if what he's doing is so great and awesome, then why hasn't he said anything about it? And even if he has, how come no major news site is saying anything about the idiot?

Honestly, I don't blame you! I used to be ecstatic for that Cat in the Hat movie when I was 8, but now it's too painful to even glance at!

edited 28th Apr '17 12:35:42 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Because he is an idiot. Just because we didn't think his work was shit doesn't mean it wasn't in fact shit. Because it was. And still is.

edited 28th Apr '17 12:33:23 PM by kkhohoho

Yeah, like how Uwe Boll tried to do a Kickstarter for Postal 2 but nobody wanted anything to do with it. Because it's Uwe Boll.

And then he ranted at everyone on You Tube because of it.

Sigh...what I'd give to see Penders go through a similar meltdown.

edited 28th Apr '17 12:40:36 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Refresh my memory, what was the last issue Penders worked on before he left? And about what issue were they on when did the lawsuit happened?