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Egyptian/Middle Eastern Protests thread derail thread:

 1 Yair-Jeger, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 11:58:29 AM from Be'er Sheva, Israel
@pvtnum 11;
Suez canal is for everyone. Israel can whine about it all they like, but that's the simple fact of the matter.
They sponsor Hizballah and Hamas. They have no right to use the canal. They have no right to use the oxygen in the air.

edited 23rd Feb '11 12:02:34 PM by Yair-Jeger

 2 Barkey, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 12:02:54 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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^

And y'all let Mossad do all sorts of dirty shit, I like Israel, but that's really the pot calling the kettle black.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 3 Meeble, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 12:10:58 PM from the ruins of Granseal
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I believe the current treaty allows for all nations to pass through the canal, not just nations that X country approves of. I will have to look for a source on that, though.
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 4 pvtnum 11, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 12:13:31 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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^^^ I understand that. And I don't like it either, but unless the Suez Canal treaty is changed to say who can go where and why, it still stands that the Iranian Navy can use the canal.

Now, why they would want to transit the canal is another matter. Desire to repeat Iranian-vs-Israeli naval action, again? I can't fathom offhand why Iran would want to put their ships into the Mediterranean, aside from just to say that they can and making Israel irritated. Showing the flag, maybe. Pretty good money that Israel is shadowing them.

I was actually worried that Egypt, with all the protests and stuff going on internally, might have shut the canal down. The fact that it's still open at all is something of a miracle, given all the political turmoil and stuff.

edited 23rd Feb '11 12:13:47 PM by pvtnum11

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 6 Tzetze, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 12:22:33 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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first sentence of article I, and yes this document is still in force.
 7 deathjavu, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 1:30:00 PM from The internet, obviously
This foreboding is fa...
Why would Iran want to go through the canal?

Someone linked it back in the original thread, but...

What is clear is that this deployment is not a direct response to the current upheavals in the Middle East, he adds.

Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reported in January that Iranian navy cadets were going on a year-long training mission through Suez and into the Mediterranean - well before the protests that have swept the leaders of Tunisia and Egypt from power.

So, not a reason per se, but it's not related to the protests.

edited 23rd Feb '11 1:30:55 PM by deathjavu

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 8 pvtnum 11, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 2:12:14 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Ah, makes sense, sort of. I'd imagine they'd get the same quality of training out in the Indian Ocean, but whatever.
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 9 De Marquis, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 2:50:09 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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As I said in the other thread, this is very clearly an attempt to distract domestic audiences from the protests gong on.

As for who 'deserves' to use it, well, its not our canal, we dont get to make that decision.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
We've sponsored mujahedeen against the Soviets. We were best buds with the Tunisian government and Mubarak. We have a right to call out someone sponsoring hamas and hezbollah?

If the Suez Canal were American, I can see some justification for blocking Iran, who is their enemy but this is Egypt's choice. However, I doubt they had a functioning government to make much of a decision on that anyway. I think Iran is just trying to test out what it's regional power is and the upheavals will likely only aid them. There's a fairly good chance that Medvedev's fear of an Islamist takeover of the revolutions sweeping the mideast.

 11 Barkey, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 8:12:18 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Not even Egypt can, not without violating the contract laid down regarding the Suez.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 12 Blurring, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 8:18:15 PM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
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Ignore.

edited 23rd Feb '11 8:24:05 PM by Blurring

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 13 Nick The Swing, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 8:20:44 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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Iran has as much right to use the Suez Canal as anyone, and they do have a right to breath. Amazing how nationalism can make people so very biased for their nation, as to make such bold statements.
 14 Cojuanco, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 11:44:09 PM from Riverside, CA, US
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As said, the canal is regulated by international law, which says pretty much that if it floats, it can go through. Unless Egypt suddenly voids the canal treaty, Iran, Israel or East Timor have every right to sail any ship up and down that thing all day... wait, that came out wrong...

I won't kill you.
They have no right to use the oxygen in the air.

*sigh* Aren't you the hammy one. What are you going to do about it, take their breath away? You leave me speechless. You know what, maybe you should take a breather, blow off some steam, get some fresh air. After that, I'm sure you'll be inspired to be more moderate in your opinions. Hatred is great for group cohesion against a foreign opponent, but it can lead to some genuinely stupid, grave, and, most importantly, avoidable mistakes.
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 16 Nick The Swing, Fri, 25th Feb '11 6:16:51 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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I know of a group of people who thought a whole different group had no right to breath, you would probably get along very well with them.

edited 25th Feb '11 6:17:12 PM by NickTheSwing

 17 Yair-Jeger, Fri, 25th Feb '11 6:23:08 PM from Be'er Sheva, Israel
I thought it was clear that we are talking about the government, not Iranians in general.

edited 25th Feb '11 6:28:05 PM by Yair-Jeger

 18 Barkey, Fri, 25th Feb '11 6:39:54 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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^^

Is that a law that starts with G being subtly invoked?
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 19 Nick The Swing, Fri, 25th Feb '11 8:20:08 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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Maaaybe...
I won't kill you.
Okay, nick, allow me to rephrase my earlier post:

They have no right to use the oxygen in the air.

That's right. We should put them in special containment facilities, and have them breathe something other than our air.
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 21 Best Of, Sat, 26th Feb '11 9:28:45 PM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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I thought it was clear that we are talking about the government

OK, if a leader who supports terrorism has no right to breathe, what about a leader who orders terrorist attacks? If your position is that terrorists have no right to live, you'd have to accept that most (or at least a fair share) of Israel's pre-independence military (including its command) would not have lived to see an independent Israel.
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I won't kill you.
It's only terrorism if it's being done to Israel, you dummy!
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