This is teeming with problems: World War II

Hollywood World War II is a bad idea. And a pointless idea, one that is well-covered in tropes on the page such as America Wins The War. What we should do is make this into a Useful Notes article. And since nobody else wants to do it I will. I'm no professor or anything but I know a fair bit about WWII and will do my best to make it into a more informative article.

I have rewritten the article into something more resembling a Useful Notes article. One thing I have noticed from looking at a lot of articles in the Military and Warfare Tropes index is that most of them are written in basically the same format. There is a summary of the war, which is basically factual and NOT focused on how the war in question is portrayed in fiction. Then there is a list of tropes as manifested in the war in Real Life. Then there is a list of works set in the time period. Not every article in Military and Warfare Tropes has the list of tropes, and different articles have different lengths of the factual summary section, and not every article has the list of fictional works. However, I do not see one other article written as the World War II article was previously written, attempting (quite badly, in the previous World War II article's case) to be a "Hollywood World War II" article. I don't know what the thinking was behind the "Hollywood World War II" article but it is not like anything else in Military and Warfare Tropes.

If the summary of World War II as I wrote it is too long folks can shorten it. And if people want an article devoted to how the media portrays World War II they can write that too, although I don't know where that would go. But the article as it was did not match anything else in Military and Warfare Tropes and that's why I rewrote it. Personally I think this is the format we should go with, maybe with my summary of the events shortened if people think it's too long.

I believe the normal thing we do is set up a mainspace name for the setting, and keep a factual thingy in the Useful Notes namespace.

Vidor, I heartily commend you. It was a mammoth task, but you've risen to challenge well and the resulting article is much, much more like an Useful Notes page. I'm guessing there might be some disagreements here and there, especially with the emphasizes, but I'm guessing that any more changes will be along the lines of trimming the edges than anything else and I can't think of anything significant else. Kudos!

I'll add my praise to that!

So What Do We Do Now?? It's still listed as both Hollywood History and Useful Notes. And what about the giant list of tropes "associated with this time period"?

The article is much cleaned up, though. Good work.

Edit: Never mind, the tropes list is normal for this type of page. Should it be taken off the Hollywood History index now, though?

edited 5th Apr '11 4:59:40 PM by nrjxll

I almost took it off Hollywood History myself but decided to wait.

I just de-linked it on the Hollywood History list.

We probably could use a hollywood WWII if someone wants to write it.

I don't like asking for review on something political and historical but a certain troper seems to like using the phrases 'X acted like dicks' and 'hypocrisy' enough that I'd like to ask for some feedback on whether or not the World War II page needs considerable editing.

^that was me who put those in. Though it wasn't exactly unprecedented, see the other eduts in there!

"Somebody else made bad edits" is no excuse for you to make bad edits.

Looking at the page history I think the larger problem is the addition of rather... polemic accusations.

For example accusing the Jews of manipulating the Holocaust into generating undeserved sympathy.

Or that black Americans supported the Axis.

Yeah... not sure where that last one is even coming from.

Anyways, Vidor is doing a good job fixing those things, but it seems to me we might need to do something to stop those kinds of additions.

Assign a curator with knowledge of history. I'd watch it, but I could only really watch for tone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_propaganda_during_World_War_II#Negro_Propaganda_Operations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois#Imperial_Japan_and_Nazi_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Movement_of_the_Eastern_World

edited 16th Jun '11 5:55:39 PM by fourtwenty

Do we need this thread still?

I'm reasonably certain we don't. Anyone else?

Yup, I think we're pretty much done here. If someone else could do the formalities?

I'm on it.