The General D&D thread

The first Final Fantasy does used tiered MP(I don't think any others do), although unlike D&D, I don't think it's possible to use a higher teir MP/spell slots to cast lower tier spells.

Which makes the two systems different.

Hence the use of the word "similar" instead of "exactly the same."

Also Final Fantasy III uses the same system and, unlike FF 1, its remake doesn't replace it with the standard MP system.

Did it? Well, my memory's rather fuzzy on that game.

Whether 5e uses a slot system rather than a disguised MP system would depend on what you consider to be central points of each system, I think. I think a central point of MP systems would be divisibility; so if you have 10 MP, you can use it one a single 10 MP spell, two 5 MP spells, or a number of other combinations as long as the total does not exceed 10 MP.

As far as I know, you can't do anything similar in 5e, such as breaking up a 4th level slot into two 2nd level slot. The opposite is also true: No matter how many 1st level slots you have, you can't cast higher level spells with them. So I think it's very distinct in practice to any typical MP system.

So wait. Do all magic users act like Sorcerers in 5E? I'm confused.

The Wizard has a certain number of spells they can prepare at the start of the day, then after that you can spend your spell slots to cast any of them.

Ooh.

That... sounds pretty good, actually. A lot better than the old system.

Have you seen a spirit shaman in 3.5? That's pretty much how it works now.

edited 23rd Aug '14 11:52:02 AM by nightwyrm_zero

The following classes can prepare a number of spells from their spell list at the start of each day:

• Cleric
• Druid
• Paladin
• Wizard

The following classes learn a certain number of spells from their spell list and do not need to prepare them:

• Bard
• Fighter (w/ the "Eldritch Knight" Martial Archetype)
• Ranger
• Rogue (w/ the "Arcane Trickster" Roguish Archetype)
• Sorcerer
• Warlock

Spells are never expended when cast. Instead, you spend Spell Slots in order to cast spells. So you can prepare Magic Missile, Burning Hands, and Mage Armor, and then spend all your Spell Slots casting Magic Missile over and over again.

Classes that prepare spells can prepare anything on their Spell List. Classes that learn spells can, on level-up, pick certain spells from their Spell List and add them to their character's Spells Known list.

Funnily enough, with the Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight, the only classes in the PHB that don't have access to a Spellcasting feature are the Barbarian and Monk.

edited 23rd Aug '14 1:28:48 PM by LizardBite

Monks can "cast spells" through ki points, depending on build. But you're right, it's not spells/day.

edited 23rd Aug '14 2:21:57 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

I kinda find it funny that people complained that 4e made everyone a caster and then 5e responded by....making everyone a caster...

Except Barbarians. Which makes it a bit funnier, if you ask me; it's like they're saying that the only type of person who wouldn't want to be casters are rage-fueled axe murderers who aren't cultured enough to understand magic.

edited 23rd Aug '14 2:38:31 PM by Gilphon

And was promptly praised for being a return to form.

Well they have to leave some stuff for future books...some sort of angry witch is totally gonna show up.

edited 23rd Aug '14 2:41:00 PM by nightwyrm_zero

I mean, it's kinda been like that since 3.5, hasn't it? The only classes with absolutely no spells were fighters, rogues, and barbarians, right?

Those two archetypes were also Prestige Classes in 3.5, for what it's worth.

5E didn't make everyone a caster. It merely made everyone able to BECOME a caster.

Yeah, what Tomu said.

Wait, what?

If you think of it, it's more the case that Eldritch Knight is an entirely different class from Fighter, with a lot of overlap. So it's not that Fighters are casters, but rather that Eldritch Knights are fighters.

That's actually a really good way to put it.

I wonder if they'll turn any other prestige classes into archetypes.

I've always found it ridiculous that Blackguards have to be a prestige class. So that'd be a nice one.

Actully Totem Barbarians can cast a few ritual spells. So every class can use magic. The Blackguard is also confirmed to be in the DMG as the Oathbreaker.

@Knowless: Huh okay

I know very, very little about Pathfinder, by the way. I've only played it twice; seemed pretty much like 3.5 with a coupla tweaks. And it has a Linguistics skill, I think, which honestly kinda dumbfounds me.

Haven't the slightest interest in getting involved in the Society, or in the similar thing they've constructed for D&D; seems like too much effort for something I just see as the alternative to trying to find or set up a home game. Too much pressure to turn a hobby into a career.

I just want to say how glad I am that 5e Bards still get Vicious Mockery.

Oh huh, so they do.

Wait, doesn't this mean that bards get an at-will power that deals damage without needing an attack roll but wizards don't? All the wizard cantrips that were kept in that I saw used attack rolls (as opposed to, say, dex saves)

Oh, I stand corrected. Poison spray is save based. Range is only 10 feet though, compared to Vicious Mockery's 60!

edited 24th Aug '14 1:37:25 PM by TheyCallMeTomu