TTGL Syndrome?

What do you mean Nia's death wasn't a death? That doesn't make any sense. Either a person dies or they don't die. And Kamina and Kittan were not the only ones that died; just about every main character pilot other than the kids died.

I still don't understand what you mean. What made their deaths meaningless?

edited 10th Feb '11 11:35:27 AM by shiro_okami

that the deaths were meaningless and had no meaningful impact?

edited 10th Feb '11 11:33:48 AM by Clawshrimpy

She didn't "die" she dissappeared as a result of the plot.

and, oh, you mean the Mooks ? the random Gurren Brigade members nobody cared about since they were introduced?

edited 10th Feb '11 11:36:00 AM by Clawshrimpy

You're not making any sense. Disappearing because of the plot is being Put on a Bus. Nia wasn't Put on a Bus, she died because she was programmed to once she fulfilled her role. Even if you consider that as dying because of the plot, IT STILL COUNTS AS A DEATH! Do you even understand the definition of death?

edited 10th Feb '11 11:40:59 AM by shiro_okami

Kamina died because he wouldn't just fall back to where Kittan and the others were after checking on Simon. Kittan died because the writers wanted to make a stupid attempt to ape the Musashi death scene. (which was also pretty absurd and pointless.)

Nia wasn't killed by a villain or anything, though, she just dissappeared because she was no longer needed.

So, that still doesn't mean she didn't die! Unless you're saying that she went to live somewhere else, or that she wasn't a living being in the first place. And she was killed in the sense that the Anti-Spirals programmed her to die once she fulfilled her purpose.

edited 10th Feb '11 11:46:12 AM by shiro_okami

That's what I'm saying, she wasn't even a person, she was a program set up by the Anti-Spirals wasn't she?

edited 10th Feb '11 11:48:35 AM by Clawshrimpy

No, she was not a program! She WAS an actual person. Actually, it would be more precise to say that she was both a program AND a person, or a person who had a program placed in her. There isn't anything in TTGL to suggest that she's a robot or an AI (unless you're saying that the Anti-Spirals are in cahoots with the Data Overmind, but even interfaces like Yuki are people with emotions).

edited 10th Feb '11 11:53:48 AM by shiro_okami

Must say, the fact that you're arguing this seems rather odd given the sheer number of Artificial Humans in Gao Gai Gar...

I wasn't even under the impression that Nia was a Cyborg. I thought she was a being made of energy that disperses once she's no longer needed. judging how she can teleport around and project when she was serving as the mouthpiece.

I said Artificial Human, not cyborg. She's an Anti-Spiral-produced construct in the form of a human that developed its own personality and eventually rebelled against its creator.

But even if she was made of energy, she is still a person/lifeform.

edited 10th Feb '11 12:13:21 PM by shiro_okami

There's a lot of stuff in here to challenge, but right now, I'll focus on one thing: Nia didn't die because she "wasn't needed." She died because her survival was dependent on that of the Anti-Spirals. It was the price of the latter's defeat — or, rather, the inevitable consequence. Inevitable in-universe, mind you; it was a conscious decision on the writers' part to make it so.

Threadhop due to irrelevancy.

Nia's character was not fully decided by the show, so interpretation can go either way.

Oh my gog, is this bullshit argument still going on?

Dude, shut up. Even the devoted fans don't seem to care about as much as TTGL as you do. No one wants to hear you bitch about it any more. Please leave and take your illogic elsewhere.

Easy, man. It really isn't worth getting angry over.

edited 10th Feb '11 4:03:01 PM by Thenamelesssamurai

I'm the one getting angry?

Well... yeah, but not super angry. And not about TTGL - loud, argumentative people who suck at logic really tick me off.

I figured it wasn't about TTGL. And sorry if I interpreted you as more angry. That post is the kinda thing I say when someone finally got me angry, so I assumed you were angrier.

TTGL was more than a religious experience to me. It was a raw, sexual, orgasmic pleasure I drew from it. And I am not ashamed to admit it.

That said, I too have found all mecha anime since... underwhelming... except for EVA. The thing is, those old series didn't feel sincere enough. And, well, like with LOGH I found the animation style incredibly grating. But LOGH has stellar writing. Though it could have used some nice mecha.

Oh, and I absolutely recommend Full Metal Panic. Like with Gurren Lagann, it's not about the mechs, it's about the Characters. The Mechs are like musical numbers, ways for the characters to express their feelings that can't quite fit into words, ways to add drama and pepper a World of Ham. And Gurren Lagann was very good at making the mecha and the fights expressive and emotional.

Don't worry if you have Perverse Sexual Lust for Sagara Sosuke, it's like that for him in-universe too. Like, all his life, everyone wanted to... well, let's just say we're lucky that Rape as Backstory was averted in this show. Though perhaps Leonard...?

edited 10th Feb '11 5:55:44 PM by Ardiente

I guess people are constantly thinking that all Mecha shows that exist in the past have to live up to TTGL's standards or else they are inferior.

You mean beat TTGL on its own terms?

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Yeah kinda. Once the first Super Robot anime we've ever seen are Eva, Furi Kuri and TTGL, it gives us a kinda... warped vision of the works they were parodying.

FLCL is not a super robot series...

Ardiente, have you seen Gunbuster? I hesitated to recommend it to the OP since it doesn't have the over-the-top AWSUM of Gurren Lagann, but based on your reasons for liking Gurren Lagann, I think you absolutely need to watch it. You might have the same issue with the art style, though.

edited 10th Feb '11 6:17:28 PM by Nyktos

I saw Diebuster. Great show, I was very positively surprised.

Mecha would definitely give LOGH that zest of awesome it kinda lacks. Not that I didn't find it marvellous as it is, but it could have used a little more ham, and the battles were unrealistic enough as they were, I don't think Mecha would have stretched Willing Suspension of Disbelief. The battles would have felt less "naval" and we could have gotten some "infantry" action. (Cue Mecha swinging from ship to ship using ropes and with a Prog Knife clenched in their teeth XD)

edited 10th Feb '11 6:24:50 PM by Ardiente