Redirect farming: Oubliette

Have at it good sirs and madams.

From the description itself, Tailor-Made Prison.

An Oubliette is a place you throw people to forget about them. It's not just a prison, it's one that you don't get out of. You don't get paroled. You're thrown in a hole and forgotten about.

The forgetting bit is the important part. If they're tailor-made or not is incidental. Often times it's just a hole where no one can hear you scream.

edited 30th Jan '11 4:37:13 PM by shimaspawn

Nope. This doesn't needs redirects. It needs a rename. it's yet another one with a name that is a long-established term for something other than the trope. It even says that it's not the right name in the description: "Not to be confused with Real Life oubliettes, which work completely differently, by dumping prisoners in a pit too deep to climb out of and leaving them there. Maybe they get fed, maybe they don't. Probably they die there"

This trope is Custom Designed Prison.

An Oubliette is Thrown In A Pit And Forgotten.

I'm about ready to propose that anyone who launches a trope that has to state that it's "not to be confused with [the real life use of the trope name]" be edit-banned.

edited 30th Jan '11 4:44:00 PM by Madrugada

I see your point, though I disagree with the "it's one you don't get out of" part. A good deal of the trope description talks about how the villain inevitably does get out of it.

edit: I think I'm with Mad on this, as it does seem that the name doesn't match the description. I would support a rename in this case.

edited 30th Jan '11 4:44:38 PM by Meeble

Or a split. There are likely other people who thought the trope was what it sounds like. We might want to go through the wiks and split them out before we rename it.

I've had a good run. I've launched some 721 tropes, 19 works, made 10 indexes, added pictures to god knows how many pages, brought in at least 10K in incoming wicks from the above, and otherwise spent far too much time on this wiki.

Now that that little ego trip is out of the way, I just want to say: I launched it based on the responses it got from the YKTTW.

So if anyone is going to get edit banned, I should be the one held accountable.

So I finely learn what Oubliette means... When it was said in Final Fantasy XII I just thought it was a madeup word to sound old fashion... learn something new every day.

Leave Them And Forget About Them Prison?

nah thats too long.

We don't ban people for launching confusing tropes. We just clean them up, or, in this case, I think a split would make the most sense.

Earnest, that wasn't a serious suggestion. It's just been really frustrating — we've gotten probably half-a-dozen tropes in the recent past that had a name that was a well-established term for something that wasn't the trope at all. And putting that "Not to be confused with..." line in the description means that they knew it was going to cause confusion when it was launched. I apologize.

edited 30th Jan '11 9:17:27 PM by Madrugada

My mistake then.

Would Unperson Prison be better for thrown in a pit and forgotten.

Oubliette is the perfect name for "Being thrown in a pit and ignored."

The examples on the page seem to be split between Tailor-Made Prison and true Oubliettes. We really should split them instead of just focusing on names.

I think that a split is in order. CustomBuiltPrison and Oubliette.

Sorry about that, I guess I was just frustrated. Usually I count myself lucky to get an alternate name suggestion, and at the time it seemed like a good name because of the overlap. In hindsight I can see that there were two tropes in there.

Personal Prison? Would that work?

Tailor-Made Prison has a ring to it.

I think there is a difference between a prison cell tailor made for one prisoner (or a prison designed to hold many different types of supervillains with those custom cells), a prison designed for one prisoner and a prison that's a hole in the ground (with nothing else to "nullify" their powers). We might be looking at three tropes here.

...Prison In A Can? Create Your Own Prison? Artistic Prison?

^ No, no, and no. It's not about the prison being contained somewhere else (which is what the "in a can" naming convention is used for), it's certainly not designing your own prison, and it's not necessarily artistic at all.

edited 7th Mar '11 4:34:25 PM by Madrugada

Is this thread still here?

There seems to be a consensus for a Tailor-Made Prison and Oubliette (maybe Thrown In A Pit And Forgotten as a redirect) split, so I assume we don't need the usual crowners. About time we fixed this instead of letting it sit for another couple of months.

I like the way Thrown In A Pit And Forgotten sounds.

You know, TV Tropes doesn't have to ruin your vocabulary.

edited 9th May '11 7:51:11 AM by Grenadier

Did we ever get around to a Trope Transplant?

No, we haven't.