It was only a matter of time before the spillover really got started. I'm just surprised Jordan isn't going down first.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Lebanon is the most similar to Syria, so it will be more sensitive to the war's effects.
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Lebanon's a lot weaker than Jordan, due to effects of the Lebanese Civil War. Jordan's fought the PLO off before.
HGW XX/7
Jihad selfies: These British extremists in Syria love social media.
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"This brother need no introduction. Those who knew him knew he was always working for his deen! He had the best manners, he came with a brother and left this world with the brother! They where tight and where both at the top of their classes and within a month where graduated as commandos and started teaching others! They both got married and left their wives within a week an went fi sabilillah coz they cud not sit around whilst the ummah was in this state! They were harsh towards the disbelievers and humble towards those who breathed la illaha illa llah, they didn't bother arguing with a Muslim even if they where in the right! Wollahi they stood out from amongst those who are the best of us in jihaad! May Allah the all mighty, the all wise, the magnificent, the ruler over all, the king of all kings accept all their efforts, forgive them their sins, allow us to reunite with them, keep firm those whom they left behind, keep us all steadfast upon the haqq and to earn HIS Allah swt pleasures until HE the supreme looks at us and smiles! Peace and blessing be to the best of man kind our beloved muhammed s.a.w, his family and the sahaba r.a. My brother philistini who beat us to the finish line! We soon come insha ALLAH ta'la."
The high casualty rate suffered by British and other European jihadists – referred to in the martyr tributes below – at least partially refutes claims by the relatively secular FSA rebels that ISIS and their allies rarely, if ever, fight the regime
That's how they speak...
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It's like some unholy mix of Muslim fanatic and 'gangsta' talk.
I'm baaaaaaack
"Unholy" being the critical term there...
Millionth refugee was registered in Lebanon some days back. Against a local population of 4.5 million...
I really fear what will happen there once that pressure cooker goes off. The sheer density of humanity there plus the level of violence in neighboring Syria....
And the US has taken less than 200. Europe, only a few thousand. Egypt's sending their refugees BACK (or at least out of Egypt). Yet they say never again with things like Rwanda. Completely empty talk.
Of course, if they were really smart, they would send most of those refugees back into Syria, heavily armed...
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Rwanda was an attempted genocide. It's not the same thing.
Having said that, it is similar in that in both scenarios you have hundreds of thousands of deaths that could have been avoided.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Um. Most of them are women and children who escaped to avoid exactly that. Nevermind what happens in the aftermath.
I meant it in the second sense. Though I'd argue Assad is probably attempting the first.
Well, they could stay behind, of course. The hope is that winning back their homeland wont take that long...
edited 5th Apr '14 6:36:39 PM by demarquis
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FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
I suppose it is uncomfortable for people from a country to see the name of their country used as a short-hand for a tragedy that occurred there. This actually hadn't occurred to me before. Hopefully I'll remember to avoid that sort of language in the future. It's not all that much trouble to say "the attempted genocide in Rwanda" or something along those lines.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
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I think "Rwandan genocide" is probably the easiest. Like the "Libyan civil war" or even the "Spanish flu", an adjective can communicate that the tragedy only shares the name because that's where it occurred.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
If we could talk about the subject now that we agree on the grammar, that'd be lovely....
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Just got this link from a fellow troper. Apparently, the samples of the sarin gas attacks in Ghouta of last year have been determined to have not originated from the Assad regime's arsenal — or at least, did not match the batches known to exist in said stockpiles. Furthermore, the same article claims that 1) US intelligence believes that the current Turkish government was the one who staged the Ghouta gas attacks in an attempt to drag NATO into the civil war (and thus allow Turkey itself to invade with little to no diplomatic hassles as well), 2) both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are attempting to secure chemical weapons precusors for their own use, and 3) the Al-Nusra Front already has a CW program well under way, and is using the relative lack of pressure on it compared to other rebel factions to pursue it with little chance of disruption.
Anyone got something on this to confirm or deny?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
...If that's remotely true, Turkey just kissed any hope of getting into the EU goodbye for the next 50 years. <_<
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Seems fairly unlikely. Seymour Hersh is also an...interesting...source. On one hand, he broke the My Lai Massacre wide open and also did good work with Abu Ghraib, on the other he's also made some pretty notable fuckups and often reports rumors as facts, notably about supposed US links to Fatah-e-Islam and JFK. I've also heard it said that he doesn't always release the "secret government documents" he relies on, so it's impossible to verify his work. He certainly can't be dismissed as some fantasist, OTOH I'd like some confirmation.
What jumps out at me is: if Turkey was to supply the rebels, why would they use ISIS or AQ, who they hate (mutually)? Still, I don't know much about the region or Turkey. Ask Shinra, he has a pretty impressive grasp of things there. I think he's also a journalist.
edited 7th Apr '14 2:37:05 PM by Achaemenid
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As you can read here. Hersh's account of the incident has been questioned by other journalists.
It is true that the British discovered that the gas used in Ghouta was not used by Assad.
It is true that Al Nusra rebels were captured in possession of either materials to make sarin gas or sarin gas itself.
It is also true that Al Nusra has members buying equipment from Turkey and within Turkey.
Hersh made a point to say that we still don't have definitive proof. We can't say for sure if it was Erdogan, but we can say, with certainty, that Assad was not behind at least the Ghouta attacks.
edited 7th Apr '14 2:47:36 PM by Sledgesaul
Well ha ha ha Buzzfeed: Who should you vote for in Egypt's Presidential Election.
The joke is that it will answer Sisi to all of them. Long live Egypt!
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