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The 45 card deck contains 11 Archfiend cards, including the two copies of A Deal with Dark Ruler. Of the entire deck, only 7 cards actually support Archfiends in any way, and those are the copies of Archfiend Emperor, Cavalry and Heiress. Emperor uses itself, Cavalry, Heiress, Trance or "A Deal" as a cost, and when sent to the grave can be used as the cost for "A Deal", but isn't the only card in the deck that can do that. Cavalry is mainly just used as an attacker or Emperor fodder, and occasionally is used for its revival effect. Heiress is used as attack bait to draw what I need, then can be used as Emperor fodder. Trance is used to return Emperor fodder to the hand, as an attacker in a pinch, or occasionally to get needed cards to my grave. "A Deal" is used to bring out Berserk Dragon or as Emperor fodder, or the occasional MST decoy.

Eh, I'll have to agree to disagree on that interpretation. The deck was originally centered around finally having a way to summon Berserk Dragon, and to use Savage Colosseum. Emperor and Heiress are really the only cards of the Archfiends that see common use. I can live with the fact that I run 4 of the 50+ archfiend cards.

edited 22nd May '15 1:47:23 PM by wanderlustwarrior

You're runnin the Archfiend Engine alongside Yubel. It's not all that original TBH.

Archfiend.dek

I was planning to run a Fire Fist/Earth Beast-Warrior deck, but it got ruined by the ban on the Adult Rulers. It's a key focus of it as well. Maybe about 3/4 of the entire deck was FF related.(that includes the Extra Deck)

The problem is that the TCG has too many power cards banned. It's near impossible to make an original deck without using half an archtype to win nowadays. New or old. The OCG lacks this issue because it has enough unbanned cards that you don't have to rely on archtype-specific cards to stand a chance, even in casual play at this point.

It's a shame that some cards that can be universally helpful are often limited or banned because they work exceptionally well in archetypes that already have quite a bit of support.

Which is funny, because Harpie's Feather Duster is now less stupid than Heavy Storm thanks to Pendulum Monsters. Harpie's is not balanced, but still more healthy of the two. The problem is Cold Wave and Giant Trunade are significantly less healthy these days. Heavy would've been nice to have back, but Pendulums sealed its face. It would be best if Konami made a proper version. Best I can think of is a no special summon and damage clause for Heavy Storm. The special summon bit stops Pendulum abuse, so you can't summon a ton of monsters that turn, and no damage makes it so you can get around dumb "Have boss out protected by a ton of spell/traps" issue, but you still can't OTK.

I don't know why they have not figured this out at all. Anti-Magic Arrows is yet another poorly designed card. It's basically Cold Wave, but you can't chain to it, and it only works during the battle phase. And my favorite part? A quick-play spell. However, the wording on it suggests it cannot negate a currently active card even so. You couldn't chain it to a Mirror Force and stop it. It prevents you from activating facedown or face-up spell/traps. I.E. Royal Oppression/Skull Lair/etc. So it's not as bad as it could be. I do like it only works during the battle phase. My only issue is the non-chaining bit, which is what heavily breaks it. Otherwise it'd actually be an interesting card, since it doesn't protect your monsters from on-summon traps.

That said, I want a normal clearer back akin to Heavy Storm(but with a proper fix on its abusive potential) so we can have more backrow back. I don't like spam decks, and we have no real outs to it. Heck, the lack of on-summon backrow is practically the only reason Neo-Spacian Grand Mole is even limited(or at least that's the most likely reason), and not that I like him or his design, but he shouldn't be since he's kind of hard to get off these days. Although I have used his ability against the opponent. Summon any monster after a Cyber Dragon. Whoops. I guess I took away your trick.

edited 22nd May '15 2:00:02 PM by Irene

Even with a brick hand...wow.◊

Yeah I am thinking as soon as the Performages and stuff make it over here we'll see a whole new dimension of lucksack mill decks.

I'd still love to see Macro Cosmos unlimited...

It has zero chance to come back to 3 unless we get a proper backrow clearer. Hope for Harpie's Feather Duster or just move on. The other 3 banned ones are worse for the game now thanks to the various card pool.

They could've moved up Torrential at the very least since most decks float. We got Raigeki and a second Dark Hole instead. They're very keen on keeping backrow(that isn't battle-only) limited if it's any good against decks till we have a proper answer to them. It's very evident that things like Malevolent Catastrophe won't cut it, especially since they know it's pretty much crap with things like Wiretap and Denko Sekka out. Card was barely usable before that, and was only actually good in Artifacts, and they limited Moraltech so you couldn't use the Artifact engine decently. I'd love to see some backrow move up too, but I already realized that it won't without an actual backrow clearer coming back or a new one being made that actually is a spell, has a non-crappy requirement(Storm is absolutely terrible, and only Pendulum decks can slightly use it at best. Qliphorts have splashed it in since they don't mind getting rid of their Vanity's and can easily replace their Pendulum monsters, including a mass special summon) that actually means a huge backrow of the oppponent's will be cleared bar them negating it. The whole reason for this necessity is to make lockdowns(whether a soft one with an annoying boss and lots of protective backrow or a hard one with major floodgates) not nearly as viable. And we still have some powerful floodgates at 3, but they often come with a bit of a downside(the Mirror cards both don't work on continuous effects, for instance).

So, if you're endlessly fed up with this game, why keep playing?

If you're talking to me, I'm not. I realize the TCG has a crap list, but I play more than the TCG and I have decks for all 4 basic playstyles(TCG/OCG Traditional and Advanced). Never made a TCG Tag deck, though. But that requires an actual partner and a lot more work than just making your own fun deck(archtypes being the focus or not).

Then can you just do that? The incessant whining from you and Wander is getting old.

They have the right to speak their minds on the current state of the meta as it is. Leave them be.

Yes, but they're doing it a tad too much. The meta isn't all bad.

There is no limit to speak one's mind as long as it's constructive. Back then(months ago), I definitely could've worded it better. Not sure how what I said wasn't constructive during this page, honestly. Likewise, you don't need to be part of the debate and talk about other things. More than one conversation can easily happen. Nor do you need to take potshots at people for having a different opinion of the meta itself. We're way more mature than that.

Anyway, my favorite part of the tourney today was summoning a 7,200 Chimeratech Overdragon. Also, hardest duel to face(and it wasn't because of a bad hand, which happens) was a Zombie deck. Zombie World is actually a pretty strong card when Overload Fusion is useless. Didn't win, but had alternate plans. Not sure if I should change up my Extra Deck for it. I'm definitely removing Tour Guide as its targets are literally two Dark Resonators in my Lost Galaxy deck. May remove Zenmaines too. I think Blaze Fenix might be more helpful. Had no use of Leviair lately in this combination. I barely Rank 3 in it.

I played a different fun Traditional deck, however, between duels. Constantly got out Heraldy Crest of Horror, more or less stopping my opponent from doing much. The fact he could easily be brought back from the grave helped. Once in a while my choices were bricked, but Judgment Dragon doesn't help them much when they only got 1,000 LP. Was a very fun set of duels. During the same duel, I constantly set off his Lightsworn Barrier to run his deck out, which helped immensely. I could handle just about anything thrown at me, and even Force Focus helped out against those Effect Monsters. Nowhere near as good as Effect Veiler, but has good stats and a viable effect when dealing with stuff like Construct.

I was just saying I like to see original decks and combos, jeez.

Same.

That said, I probably am guilty of mostly using Konami-fed ones too.

But eh. It's not like I can much use the original Future Fusion > Overload Fusion > Chimeratech Overdragon combo in any advanced deck. And it's not great in Traditional since searching every piece is difficult.

However, I am going to change up my Lost Galaxy deck. TGU is rarely drawn and dead often. Switching it out for Jinzo might be the perfect way to improve it. And laugh at annoying trap backrow that too many of my opponent's overset without risk. Well, let's just say this'll make them converse their cards more often. Won't work against some decks, like Burning Abyss as much. Or at least the one I faced, that heavily used Spells like Enemy Controller. Unfortunately, I don't have Denko Sekka(and it wouldn't work well in this deck either). Jinzo also has the fun part about being a Machine, something Chimeratech loves to have. My only issue is summoning it if it's sent to the graveyard. I think a Call of the Haunted is in order. I rarely use my traps as well. I've found 101 to be rather useful, though. As for dealing with facedowns, any Machine Monster + Gravity Blaster tends to be helpful enough. Biggest and only major issue beyond bricked hands was Zombie World. I got no idea how I'm going to get around that beyond Lightning Vortex + Call of the Haunted combos. And that's part of why I run LV. It fills my graveyard reliably enough for things like Overload Fusion. Even if it's not perfect. I can't think of a good way to deal with field spells reliably, though. That also works with my deck.

Question: Why is your deck called Lost Galaxy? Is it why I think it is?

I do like to associate themes with when my decks kick ass in certain ways. When I use Genex Ally Crusher, I think of the hook to this song. When I'm using my "Berserk Fury" deck, I play this, especially when Berserk Dragon comes out.

On that Berserk Fury deck, I notice I rarely have more than 2 monsters out at a time. Maybe Savage Colosseum and Kaiser Colosseum can work well together...

Correct. It's based upon Deviot(Robotic Knight), his minions; Laguna the Chocobo(Niwatori) and Tempest Razorbeast(Giga-Tech Wolf), and the many zords he controls. Also, Chimeratech Overdragon is blatantly an Ultrazord. Some day I shall plays the MMPR theme when I summon it. It often helps if I'm attacking with a high attack variant. 3200 is meh. 7200 is overkill. And then some.

It's far from perfect. I only use non-Machines for proper synergy like helping search out Niwatori when I need to Rank 3 or get out Punished Eagle(Phoenix Galactabeast). I've summoned most Extra Deck monsters by now. Haven't much bothered with Crimson Blader, but with the E-Dragons gone, his usage was shrugworthy. Still great against Shaddolls, but I find a Machine equipped with Gravity Blaster also rather effective.

That said, while I could run Insect Knight, it has no synergy other than using Rabbit. Also, Bull Blader(Magna Defender) is yet another fun one that can be useful against annoying bosses at times. It's worth the normal summon if I can outright destroy it. I may start using Grand Mole, though. No synergy outside of Mother Grizzly, but on the other hand, Rank 3 potential and is still a decent combo with Cyber Dragon. Although in one duel I summoned 3 Cyber Dragons out. I could've won using all 3, but that's when I Overload Fusion'd for Chimeratech. To say the least, there's no way to run a pure version of the Lost Galaxy zords/characters and have a viable deck. Mine probably could be around Tier 3 at best. I mean, when it often kills Lightsworns, sometimes beats Shaddolls, does fine against normal meta decks bar bricked hands, I find it an okay deck. As for why Jinzo? I deal with too much backrow, and I can't just keep bumping monsters into it anymore. I don't have anything that floats in the deck, after all. That, and Gravity Blaster makes it pretty nice against many decks. Not to say it always works. I mean, I've quite often even gotten Dark Strike Fighter out as a nice 3,000 beatstick with Gravity Blaster too. I don't even use him for his special effect, but it also can be useful to tribute a weaker monster for some extra damage or to fill the graveyard with Machines.

As for why Punished Eagle, one of its materials and itself fit the deck theme. I however think I might run Charubin the Fire Knight with Instant Fusion to make summoning Blaze Fenix out easier. It's not just a great beatstick, but I don't need to attack with it to hurt the opponent. And Gravity Blaster is also useful. I am unsure if I should run Hidden Armory though. I don't need to often normal summon when I use it, but I don't run anything to recycle my fusion spells. I barely use more than one of them per duel, though. However, Cybernetic Fusion Support may be worth it, if only to laugh at things like Zombie World.

I actually rarely use my Extra Deck monsters, even if they do fit my deck theme. Despite the number of Archfiend Syncros, or Queen of Thorns, or certain other cards, most of my decks don't actually use any Tuners (my Machine decks are the exception), and I often don't want to XYZ. This is why it wasn't until recently that my Dark Valentine deck brought out this thread's old friend Lightning Plover, despite the number of opportunities.

Maybe there's cards out there that can be more easily summoned or more beneficial that you don't have to go through the Extra Deck to set up.

edited 23rd May '15 10:55:30 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Doubtful. I work with my Extra Deck often, but that's part of why I want to run Jinzo. Its power level helps immensely. I think I might switch Crimson Blader out with Goyo. Gives me some much needed attack power, basically. And there's enough moments where I can summon a Level 6 Synchro.

That, and there isn't any other good Synchro choices. Also, I run Deepsea Shark(Shark Galactabeast) and Shark Fortress(Zenith Carrierzord). Sadly, the rhino choices suck. T.G. Rush Rhino(Centaurus Megazord) and Winged Rhynos(Rhino Galactabeast) are in my side deck cause they have no synergy or good use. Even Bull Blader has made a major dent in my opponent before.

Another game I won by attacking solely with Mother Grizzly. Over and over and over and over. If we didn't make a small error, Star Eater would've finished them off. That was fun. Also might run Leo(the Level 10 Synchro), but my Extra Deck space is tight... might side Leviair though. It's still a useful card, but I stopped using Gold Sarc > Rabbit > Leviair a long time ago.

If you just need a lion, there's Beast King Barbaros.

No lion needed. Probably helps that Magna Defender was practically a villain till the end of Season 1.

Mostly it represents villains. I could work in more of Deviot's main crew. Villamax(I don't think anyone looks similar enough to him), Thunderon(same), Psycho Red(maybe?), and Trakeena(might be easier). To note, a lot of his "crew" is from more of a fanfiction. Tempest Razorbeast and Laguna never existed in any Power Rangers canon. Appropriately, he is a necromancer, but that's not much different from what he did when he created the Zenith Carrierzord, Stratoforce Megazord, and Centaurus Megazord(I do find it funny that the first real Centaur zord was in Mystic Force). Never got why they named it that. He's a Rhino, for cripes' sake. Stratoforce makes sense, since he's an air creature. Even if it's not really like a Phoenix in design(not many are blue-colored, but red/orange/pink/purple/etc.). Zenith works enough, since it's meant to be the most powerful of the three, or at least powerful enough to "control" them by being in command, at least by the fact they're stored in its compartments. Not perfect, but works.

Anyway, maybe they'll come out with better Rhino choices. One biological and one mechanical. Winged Rhynos isn't bad, though. But there's still not vastly mechanical one out yet that I can find.

Unrelated, but pulled another Star Eater, Ghost Rare this time. 1st Edition too~

edited 24th May '15 12:56:07 PM by Irene

So um, creative minds go!

Not implying I don't have one.

edited 28th May '15 4:31:52 AM by SilentNeetD

Err...

I was thinking aside from the Sibyls from the beginning.