Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

Funnily enough, mine is the G.I.G.N.

I was pleasantly surprised to see friendly special forces other than the SAS, SEALS and Delta Force. Now, if the JSDF and SASR show up at some point, my life will be complete.

I too greatly enjoyed the new allied factions, though the ones you mentioned are still missing.

This is COD game where you fight in Berlin alongside the Jerries. edit: Fortschritten mit den Vorschlaghammer!

Almost finished the campaign on veteran. Price has gotten even more insane and cruel than he was in 2 and Yuri used to be an ultranationalist like you, but then he got a bullet to the chest.

edited 31st Dec '11 4:43:33 AM by honorius

The campaign left me cold. Price being even crazier than he was in the second game just made me wonder what happened to the (mostly) level-headed leader from Modern Warfare. He doesn't even feel like the same character.

That said, why is the Mk. 14 the only semi-auto assault rifle in multiplayer? They couldn't keep the FAL, or find something new?

Granted, the Mk. 14 is my favorite weapon (and considering its crazy power/range/minimal kick, I'm surprised it isn't everyone else's) but I'm annoyed that semi-auto never seems to get any love.

The FAL is gone? *weeps*

I assumed his stay in the Gulag and the loss of his squad drove him a bit nuts after MW 1.

And M14 and UMP are my favorites.

I use the Scar-L/ACR and the MP 7 quite alot. And the AA-12 before I gave up with Shotguns.

Let's see, he had an entire unit of SAS/Marines wiped out in front of him, he got put in the gulag for a nearly 3 year stay if Operation:Kingfish is to be believed, betrayed by Shepherd, damn near killed by Shepherd, damn near got Soap killed, yeah those things kinda fuck with a person.

Where can you see how much xp you need for the next weapon level?

The Barracks menu, where there all the details you need stat wise are located.

But not under challenges, right?

I can't remember exactly, I think you need to get to the point where you can view each weapons stats seperately. Keep trying.

I Never saw Price as insane or unstable at any point. What are you guys talking about, the scene where he executes the Somali warlord? Or acting harsh towards Yuri?

Both.

The warlord might've been scum, but Price's behaviour was also deplorable. Practical, but very obviously (and intentionally, I suspect) outside proper moral and ethical conduct. That method of interrogation wasn't particularly bad. In fact, I thought it was very clever and provided and ultimatum they knew the warlord would take. The fact that Price shot the warlord afterward changes it all, though.

Plus, yeah, punching Yuri after he had risked his life multiple times beside Price. That should count as pretty significant proof towards his loyalty.

At least with the Yuri scene he has much more credible reasons for doing so, having just watched Soap die he is very understandbly pissed off enough to do that to him.

There was no way they could've extraced Waraabe though.

The part about Price not trusting Yuri makes a whole lot of sense when you realize that not only did he just get ambushed by Makarov, but Soap died as well because of it. So in his mind he might've been thinking that Yuri was some sort of deep cover agent, and the mission went FUBAR because of Yuri warning Makarov (truth is though that Kamarov is the one who cracked and confessed). And given Price's line of "I've never trusted anyone" from MW 2, not to mention how a LOT of real-life spec ops soldiers tend to think about other foreign operatives in the field, his lack of trust upon finding out that Yuri wasn't Speznatz but a FREAKING ULTRANATIONALIST isn't going to help much either.

And for the Somali warlord? Honestly, the guy was just as responsible for all those casualties in Europe for letting the bastards ship the nerve gas. And what would you do, drag him into the Hague for war crimes? He had it coming.

edited 1st Jan '12 8:19:55 AM by SgtRicko

I'm pretty sure claiming that you'll give mercy for information and then executing the guy anyway is a war crime. Plus, I don't accept the "they deserved it" argument for an execution. The guy's unarmed, all his men are dead, so on and so forth. If nothing else, they could've broken a limb and left him until someone found him — brutal, but merciful and at least honest.

By the time that happened, I was pretty convinced that Price was Chaotic Neutral, if not Chaotic Evil. He's trying to save the world, but the focus more and more becomes his personal obsession with Makarov. Price acts without regard towards law, nor morality — and "the ends justify the means" is a stock perspective for evil characters. Take a look at his actions outside the perspective of one of his squadmates and you'll see what I mean. He becomes a freelance commander acting under no authority but his own, chasing his own objectives. He has nothing to answer to, lawfully or morally. All he has is his objective, and he'll eliminate any obstacles that stands in his way, no matter what.

This is one of the ways that Price becomes a mirror of Makarov. Both are freelance commanding officers using illegitimate authority to meet their objectives, irrespective of the means or the sacrifices in the way. The only difference is that Price's interests align with ours. The ultimate struggle does not boil down to America or Britain against Russia, but a British individual and a Russian individual who are equally unhinged.

And I'm sure that's all intentional. After all, you might argue "But it's war, and practicality has to take precedence over morality". You may be right, pitiably, but I feel that's part of the point of these games. The protagonists are brutal men inflicting violence on people that believe they're the good guys. War makes all men evil.

@Alex

Yes, I agree with you. But again... there was no way they could've extracted that guy. What was Price supposed to do? Let him go?

edited 1st Jan '12 9:18:07 AM by kay4today

Above, I suggested breaking (or capping) a leg and leaving him for someone to find. It's not liking killing him is honestly of any benefit; another warlord will step up and take his place. That kind of evil can't be eliminated with pure violence. Only a deeper systematic change can make things like that better.

For someone to find? And who do you mean?

Keep in mind that he was Makarov's accomplice as well. If they had let him go he probably would've warned Makarov about them.

That's true. Under that perspective, he could be considered a continued threat.

All the same, I don't take back my perspective on Price. We're just lucky he's on our side.

He's the lesser of two evils when you get down to it. A cold, pragmatic man, yes, willing to use an EMP blast on a battlefield with his own side on it in order to stop a war regardless of the consequences, but not a monster on the level Makarov was. For Makarov, NOBODY was considered innocent in his eyes, no one - not even his own damned troops are safe arond him. At least with Price, you could trust him if your objectives were the same, and at no point did he ever deliberaltely target civilians.

He also shot al-Asad after surrendering, and that was in part 1.