Why Julian Assange is fighting - "Destroy This Invisible Government"

http://tinyurl.com/39bnlgx

edited 21st Dec '10 5:02:12 PM by BalloonFleet

I hope this works - wait hover the url over the link to turn it on.

Yes, and?

What link? What url?

What?

For some reason everytime I post the link it turns into that. im tinyurling it now

EDIT: here http://tinyurl.com/39bnlgx

edited 21st Dec '10 4:57:06 PM by BalloonFleet

Gotta say Balloon, you've lost me.

EDIT: Ah.

edited 21st Dec '10 4:56:34 PM by GameChainsaw

Wow. That was rude. Thumped.

Lets see how it turns out before we make judgements. I've already had one earth-shattering revelation tonight.

It does people good to keep an open mind silver.

And I will read this after I go to bed and have done my museum work. I may have a rant to post about "Authoritarian government".

Whatever he's linking to is probably paranoid gibberish anyway.

lol no its an analysis of Julian assange's motivations

@Game Chainsaw: Not so earth-shattering for me, though, because the revelation fit the French government's behavior over the last 150 or so years pretty well.

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The author seems to take it for granted that there is a conspiracy.

Okay, the most recent link worked.

he begins by describing a state like the US as essentially an authoritarian conspiracy, and then reasons that the practical strategy for combating that conspiracy is to degrade its ability to conspire, to hinder its ability to “think” as a conspiratorial mind.

So he admits he's trying to bring down the US government rather than make government more transparent?

The most transparent government IS no government man xD

edited 21st Dec '10 5:13:31 PM by BalloonFleet

Not quite so much that as assume that the network of unelected diplomats the US maintains is unhealthy for the people.

I'm not totally against the idea but I'm not totally for it either.

I think that that's an oversimplification. More like he wants to destroy this conspiracy thing, which for obvious reasons most of the government isn't in.

Anarchism is not an intellectually serious solution.

edited 21st Dec '10 5:13:36 PM by silver2195

Anarchism, boiled down, is simply a position that does not posit that governments and nation states are essential to a well functioning society. Why can't it be intellectually serious?

Because when you get rid of nation-states, one of four things must happen:

• Formation of new nation states
• Complete chaos
• Reversion to feudalism
• Reversion to more primitive lifestyle with informal, egalitarian social structure. Such a system cannot support a large population.

edited 21st Dec '10 5:51:52 PM by silver2195

Really, you get all four at once. And then the new states and feudal societies swallow up the utopian, egalitarian communes, because they can support a large population.

Reaaaaaally? Have other, nonlinear types of social organization been given a fair shake? What about city states on a large scale, or a different mode of behaviour enforcement besides legal systems, or any other number of possibilities?