Pirates of the Caribbean franchise

Does anyone else think that it should stay as a trilogy? With a fourth film, it's going to open up lots more plot holes.

^ The fourth film isn't going to be in the same storyline as the first three, so I kind of doubt continuity will be an issue.

^^ Get a boat and sail to the end of the world, where there is no food or drinkable water, with her ten year old son? Er...

edited 30th Dec '10 12:17:53 PM by KnownUnknown

No, just get a boat and sail out to a meeting place just offshore whenever she wants to see Will.

Will can set foot on land once but every ten years. There's no rule saying she can't just meet him on a boat. Hell, get a houseboat. It's only a sad ending if she's spontaneously forgotten that wood floats.

edited 30th Dec '10 1:13:51 PM by TobiasDrake

That's been discussed on the JBM page. Some tropers say that if Will were to meet her even on a boat, he'd be neglecting his job of ferrying dead souls and turn into a fishman. How time consuming this job actually is, I'd like to know.

Fishman Will would be interesting...

edited 3rd Jan '11 8:57:39 AM by melloncollie

Well, giving that he's ferrying everyone who's died at sea to the afterlife, I'm guessing there's no breaks given or allowed. He'd be neglecting his duty.

Plus I imagine that Davy Jones left a pretty big backlog of work behind.

Everyone is forgetting the possible Word of God explanation for AWE (I think so anyway reading on the wiki and T Vtropes) in that because Elizabeth did wait for him for 10 years, he is now free from his duties.

Wasn't that the problem for Davy Jones and Calypso?

^ That's why I said

Either they'll keep meeting every ten years or he's been released from his service on the Flying Dutchman and they'll live out their lives together. (I'm not really clear on the mythology used in the films.)

It's never made crystal clear in the movies, and the Word of God is hard to track down. Presumably, if it was a ten-year sentence, one of the souls they picked up near the end of that time span would become the new Captain. Someone who was dying rather than completely dead...

Imagine if in about 2 movies time after On Stranger Tides, we have Captain Jack Sparrow's 4th or 5th attempt to become immortal or get a ship fail and he goes "Argh" and then wonders off but then at the last minute Will turns up and says "Well, it has been my ten years and I can give the job to somebody else, and I thought you might like the chance to be an immortal sea captain able to traverse the wildest seas where no other living creature goes? I'm personally just looking to get laid without turning into a shellfish."

JACK: ...but how does this get me the Black P—

WILL: There are other ships, Jack. Your need for that one is bordering on sexual fetish at this point.

JACK: Hey, I sold my soul...almost...for that ship!

WILL: ...see, that actually supports my point.

edited 4th Jan '11 11:07:52 AM by TobiasDrake

Jack/Black Pearl is the most canon of all Pot C ships. Pun not intended.

I dunno. By the end of the series it seems like he doesn't obsess over his ship as much as he used to.

At the end he didn't seem too mussed about it. Jack's all about finding the ultimate freedom, right? That's why he loved his ship so much: he felt having a ship represented being a free man, and having a ship that no one else could catch meant no one could ever bring him down. But now, I think he's decided living forever represents an even greater freedom.

You what'd be hilarious? Jack Sparrow turns out to be Johnny Depp, having found the Fountain of Youth and living forever as an eccentric whatever-the-hell-he-wants-to-be, which in this day and age happens to be an actor.

I made that WMG, already.

I think I read that fanfic once.

^ Mars needs links.

Jack Sparrow is Johnny Depp.

The Pirates of the Caribbean films are a documentary that the immortal Jack/Depp secretly funded in order to spread the word of his tales and get people talking about the legendary Captain Jack Sparrow again.

Has anyone else read the original On Stranger Tides novel by Tim Powers? I'm currently in the middle of it, and frankly, I'm having a difficult time conceptualizing how exactly Jack Sparrow will fit into this. He's nothing like the leading character Jack Chandagnac/Shandy, who's main goal to avenge his uncle's death was the driving force of the entire novel, and I can't really see how they can cut him out of the story because his character's history is too crucial. The only way I could see it work is if they place him as a secondary character, but then the focus wouldn't be on Sparrow anymore.

edited 6th Jan '11 6:17:41 PM by Mattonymy

Ooh lookie there's a trailer now.

I like the introduction of Blackbeard here. It's amazing how they've made three films, but the only real world lore they've touched upon is Davy Jones and the Flying Dutchman.

Barbossa has a pegleg and works for the Navy?◊

What do you mean? Calypso is an ancient Greek mythological figure, the Kraken's been in one mythology after another, and the edge of the world is a myth as old as time itself. And the basic notions they play with, such as ancient, cursed treasure that bewitches those foolish and greedy enough to try and steal it, or a magic island with no true location, that only appears when you're well and truly lost, or if you know exactly how to find it, or some other arbitrary criteria for causing it to spring into existence in the distance are all classic legend.

I mean related more to seafaring, and actual figures from Nautical legend.

The Flying Dutchman is a tale told by sailors, just like the Mary Celeste and the Kracken (As you mentioned).

Now we have Blackbeard. Awesome.

When's Annamaria coming back? :p

The Curse of the Aztecs is a legend, too.

That's more Spanish Inquisition style thing, with Cortez and , although I'm fuzzy on history so they may have crossed over. If someone can link me to some more info about how it's related to pirates, would be appreciated.

Maybe I've just been influenced by the Blackbeard One Piece but, after reading a bit, he seemed like a really cool pirate, and if I was writing a pirate movie, he would be the one I'd type 'all pirates fear'.

Blackbeard terrifies everyone but one man: Jack's father. They were old buddies on a ship as cabin boys, but seperated. Or, Blackbeard is Jack's uncle

Shippers go squee.