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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#22776: Aug 11th 2013 at 7:17:29 PM

I kinda hope (though don't expect) Sonic to return in SSB 4, if only because the existence of tripping made me uncomfortable playing him. Then again, his speed was my main problem anyway, and the new game is supposed to be faster. I have poor reflexes, so Brawl's slower gameplay was a plus to me.

I was thinking about Kirby. That guy's been all over the map when it comes to tiers. He went from top tier in 64 to bottom of the heap in Melee (as of now, slightly worse than the Pokemon designed to suck badly) to rather average in Brawl. I want to meet someone who says that Sakurai is biased towards his own characters, so I can shout, "Kirby in Melee!". I doubt that it would be the slightest bit convincing. In fact, my "argument" is severely flawed. This has been a waste of everyone's time.

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#22777: Aug 11th 2013 at 7:23:16 PM

Why don't you expect Sonic to return?

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#22778: Aug 11th 2013 at 7:23:54 PM

If you don't expect something, the surprise will be twice as big.

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#22779: Aug 11th 2013 at 7:53:15 PM

[up][up][up]Meta-Knight in Brawl overrules anything that could have come from arguing Kirby was underpowered in Melee. tongue

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#22780: Aug 11th 2013 at 7:59:14 PM

^^^^ I doubt Kirby was intentionally bad in Melee. In fact, Sakurai might've messed up a bit by trying too hard with him (his moves have more references to his home series than pretty much any other character, especially in Melee) and not quite knowing how to balance it out until Brawl.

edited 11th Aug '13 8:00:31 PM by KnownUnknown

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#22781: Aug 11th 2013 at 8:01:25 PM

"His moves reference his own series more than pretty much any oth"

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#22782: Aug 11th 2013 at 8:03:06 PM

True, there is that.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#22783: Aug 11th 2013 at 8:05:19 PM

His inclusion in Brawl felt cool, but rather gimmicky. That's probably a poor reason to feel the way I do, as it's a vague feeling even when I think about it.

This reminds me of how I wonder why Mewtwo was not included in Brawl. He seemed to be planned, but cut for some reason. Maybe someone should ask Sakurai, if it's not too minor and fanboyish a question. I believe that if you gave Mewtwo more reliable finishers, made his specials easier to use, and made him weigh as much as Captain Falcon, he'd be a lot more fun to play.

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#22784: Aug 11th 2013 at 8:06:55 PM

Wasn't there a Hand Wave for Mewtwo's weight along the lines of "he floats around a lot"?

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#22785: Aug 11th 2013 at 11:17:21 PM

Mewtwo was cut from Brawl because 1: Time and resources, 2: People hated Mewtwo in Melee for some reason Sakurai couldn't fathom.

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#22787: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:40:35 AM

Huh. An OOT 3D stage?

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#22788: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:45:06 AM

Mewtwo wasn't technically "cut". Just not finished. Only Pichu and Young Link were literally cut. The rest were planned. But anyway, I highly doubt it has anything to do with fan response overall. Mewtwo was the character that was the most done. If he was so unpopular, Sakurai would've worked on some of the other Forbidden 7. Which only Dixie he gave some attention to. Even Roy had his own ending theme. But nobody was as far as Mewtwo. So I gotta call bull on that in this case.

Also, it wasn't so much time constraints as they had to make Sonic playable at the last minute and add him into the storyline. So it's a mix of both. Sonic was definitely a last minute addition. I think Wolf might've been too, but I haven't read the information in a while. He was done pretty late, though.

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#22789: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:45:39 AM

Link's back! And now he can even CROUCH IN MID-AIR!

Seriously though. What's Link doing in that pic?

edited 12th Aug '13 8:45:51 AM by FawfulCrump

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#22790: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:46:17 AM

[up][up]Eyup. I think the flames are from Mario Finale, though. Also, I wonder what triggers the bridge breaking? Cutting the ropes, maybe?

Also,[up][up][up][up][up]I don't deny he wasn't the best of characters, but he sure was a lot of fun to play as.

edited 12th Aug '13 8:47:57 AM by NesClassic

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#22791: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:54:44 AM

[up]If the Mario Finale broke the bridge, then the screen would still be dark. Unless they altered how the flames linger on the stage, I think a stage hazard would be the more likely cause of the flames.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22792: Aug 12th 2013 at 8:56:07 AM

Did the screen go dark when Samus used the Zero Laser in the Trailer?

Also, that could change. Or it could be some other attack/stage hazard, like Twinrova.

Or it could be Ridley. tongue

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#22793: Aug 12th 2013 at 9:07:22 AM

I remember the screen going dark during Miss Fit's Yoga Inferno Final Smash, so I assume darkened screens are still an effect of them.

edited 12th Aug '13 9:23:11 AM by Customer

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22794: Aug 12th 2013 at 9:22:09 AM

Aw, damn. Well, stage hazard probably. Or some item being shown off. Odd. Twinrova is a possible choice, then?

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#22795: Aug 12th 2013 at 11:52:42 AM

Mario Finale left flames behind on platforms it passed that lingered even for a little after the screen stopped darkening in Brawl, though.

It could still be a stage element, of course.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#22796: Aug 12th 2013 at 12:00:53 PM

What flames are people talking about? I don't see any in the pic of the weekday. NES Classic refers to Irene's post talking about Mewtwo and Sonic, but she doesn't mention any fire until several posts later. I'm confused.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22797: Aug 12th 2013 at 12:03:12 PM

NES Classic meant to point to nomura2d's post.

I then talked about the more relevant conversation about the Gerudo Valley stage.

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#22798: Aug 12th 2013 at 12:05:07 PM

Oh, yeah. Whoops. I'm good at counting! I swear it!

But, the flames in question are rising up behind Link in today's picture.

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#22799: Aug 12th 2013 at 12:10:24 PM

The picture of the day shows Luigi meteor smashing (spiking?) Kirby down a ledge with his taunt. However, I found the picture everyone's talking about. I would've guessed Giga Bowser, but the screen's bright and I'm sure other people know more about final smashes than me.

Incidentally, final smashes confused me for a bit when I replayed Brawl. I thought you had to use the c-stick, only to find out that it's B. I guess the name threw me off.

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FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#22800: Aug 12th 2013 at 12:18:05 PM

The Luigi Meteor pic is Friday's pic. The site likes to randomly show the previous day's pic for some reason...


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