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Definitely but they haven't commented on the subject as far as I'm aware so I'm going to go off the actor.
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Without Jon's assassination he wouldn't of left the Night's Watch, and without that decision almost every major event in the North in Season 6 happens very differently.When I say his assassination I mean his death.
If you turned the assassination into an assassination attempt instead then things happen the same way.
Although I'm also annoyed about it because Jon comes back the same just with a bit more PTSD. Talk about cheapening death.
edited 20th Jul '17 5:42:41 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
The Night's Watch isn't something you can just quit, once a person joins they are supposed to be in for life. Jon Snow literally dying is the only thing that gave him a potential out on his oaths to the Nights Watch.
Otherwise he would of been considered an oathbreaker by the other northern houses. Which would of also had an impact on the events of the season.
And also is it really so bad for a show that's notorious for it's high bodycount to have a couple that don't stick? There are more major characters who die in some single episodes and have yet to come back then have died and come back in any capacity across the entire series.
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Dolorous Edd doesn't agree.
I mean Jon can't prove he died and came back to life to the other northern lords so this really should be a problem.
[[quoteblock]]And also is it really so bad for a show that's notorious for it's high bodycount to have a couple that don't stick? There are more major characters who die in some single episodes and have yet to come back then have died and come back in any capacity across the entire series.
Not necessarily but I also take issue with how it's actually contrary to the spirit of the books and the wishes of the author.
Resurrection in ASOIAF is meant to challenge the way Tolkien did resurrection not recreate it. GOT did the very thing that ASOIAF was critiquing.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Do we actually know that GRRM won't bring back Jon in the next book, though? Otherwise it's just speculation.
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Of course he will but GRRM has also strongly implied that Jon isn't going to be resurrected into a living body. He'll be more like a reanimated corpse with free will.
Think a vampire sans need to suck blood or a wraith.
Recently, he even said that Beric and LS aren't living. They're dead. They're fire wights so if Jon comes back through the same process so will he.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That's what I'm assuming too, but that makes the timelines look very disconnected.
For example, from Jon's assassination (s5e10) to his reunion with Sansa (s6e4), only a few days, at most a week appear to have passed. However, between Sansa's meeting with Brienne near Winterfell (s6e1) to their arrival at Castle Black, several weeks, maybe a month must have passed (the North is big). So that means the Winterfell scenes in s6e1 happen before the Castle Black scenes in s5e10.
Worldbuilding is fun, writing is a chore
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Don't think about timelines too hard because you'll start breaking your brain that way.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Yeeeeeeeeah, Gilly's baby being a toddler just muddled things worse for me. Also, the gross stuff in Oldtown didn't need to be there. It's one of those places we have never really seen in-depth in the books, so the show has the chance to do its own thing and leave a lasting impression. Shit montage ain't the answer.
I liked all the Arya scenes (though they were a little forced), and Hound + Beric is greatness incarnate. Sansa is just getting on my nerves at this point, and Euron's heading there pronto. The Jaime and Cersei scene was probably my favourite one.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
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Hound + Beric were probably the best scenes in this episode.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
It really sucks that Nymeria doesn't want to go with Arya :(
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
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Weak first episode followed by a weak second episode.
My various fanfics.
The law in the night
That last combat scene tho.
Holy shit Euron!
Also, god damn it Sansa!
edited 23rd Jul '17 7:05:49 PM by AngelusNox
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That scene was terrible.
Euron is still terrible. The Sand Snakes are still terrible. The weird lesbian scene was awkward. It was dark and poorly lit and you had no idea what was going in. Theon's character development died a fucking death. Why were they sitting ships on fire with their men and their captain on it?!
My various fanfics.
Trope on a Rope
It feels like the dialogue in this show descended into exposition dumps or bad innuendo.
Gemma Whelan and especially Alfie Allen really deserve better material.
edited 23rd Jul '17 7:10:54 PM by BorneAgain
Still waiting for a Legion of Losers movie...
Much better than the leaks suggested.
- I see that Randyll is taking the loss of Heartsbane fairly well. I would have thought that he would have sent Dickon on a quest to commit fratricide.
- Dany's warplans are waaay too idealistic.
- Dawww, Grey Worm and Missandei's sex scene was actually pretty touching.
- Please don't let Sam get greyscale.. Please don't let Sam get greyscale.
- Sansa needs to give Littlefinger an accident. Fast.
- Hot Pie!
- Yay, Arya's going home! Although Nymeria refusing to go with her is probably a bad omen.
- Cersei, it's one thing to shoot at a dragon. It's quite another to actually hit one.
- So TV!Euron is Victarion. I can live with that. Book!Euron is a terrible character.
- Nooooooo, not... ummm... [goes to look up which Sand Snake is which]
- Fucking hell Theon.
Okay so a few things: I'm very torn on Jon's decision to go to Dragonstone. On the one hand, what he's saying is admirable and he's probably right. But everything he's saying feels as if it's based on a whim and he's really starting to show the huge cracks in his leadership. It's just so frustrating because it's going to cause his people to turn on him all over again. Also, saying that you honestly didn't want to be king and that your doing it out of obligation to your ENTIRE congregation is an absolutely terrible thing to do, Jon. I hate to say it but...Jon really might not be fit to lead the North. Sansa actually seems to be the right choice for the job at this point.
Also, I'm kind of with Lady Tyrell on this one. Daenerys might need to make her move immediately. Tyrion's usually not wrong about these things, but Cersei's a bit too unpredictable and mad to take any chances. The last battle was really good too. Is it weird that I liked Euron way more this week than last week?
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Jon is an awful king. Every word that comes out of his mouth is immediately interrupted by someone disagreeing him and he just makes a sad face until things somehow go his way.
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On a lighter note, Missandei 1, Subtitles 0!
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There goes Theon's character. Thrown away into the garbage.
TV Euron is still a garbage character. I'm going to keep saying it. I miss my Lovecraftian Anti-Christ Ironborn Littlefinger hybrid. TV Euron is just a dumb thug.
TV Varys had the best scene this episode though.
Wonder what the point of even bringing Nymeria back for? I guess it solved a loose end though. Don't mind it but I doubt that scene will go anywhere.
Too much Sam filler still.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Disagree. Book!Euron is too over the top and out of place and takes away valuable page time from more interesting villains. TV!Euron appears to be this version's Victarion, who is the best book character.
edited 23rd Jul '17 7:35:14 PM by lrrose
Varys scene suffers from the Characterization Marches On from his early appearance and him seemingly genuinely wanting to crown Viserys. With his altered motives there's not much reason for him to want Viserys on the throne over Renly or Stannis if what he wants is a good ruler.
Balerion's skull seemed a lot smaller than when Arya was in the dungeons at the beginning of the show.
Euron's not that out of place, magic is absolutely everywhere other than Westeros and that's only "recently", and I'd disagree. I'd say Book Euron is more interesting than both versions of Cersei.
edited 23rd Jul '17 7:50:25 PM by doineedaname
Would that it were so simple.
Sansa needs to shut up, for God's sake. It makes her look insubordinate.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Drogon/Balerion
◊ size comparison.
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It's almost like Book Euron is in a high fantasy series with ice zombies and dragons.
Book Euron is only a bit more over the top than Ramsay or Cersei.
Give him a lava arm, make him honorable and honest instead of smug and deceptive and have him drown/burn his enemies then I'll say he's Victarion.
He's closer to Book Daario with some ironborn traits.
It's huge for Jorah but Jorah isn't important. He's not important enough to devote all this screentime to.
edited 23rd Jul '17 10:57:10 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Sansa would of had to of taken Winterfell back on her own. The Wildlings followed Jon Snow, but it took him a long time to earn their respect. Would they have really followed Sansa to Winterfell? And if they didn't Sansa may of of been much more dependent on Littlefinger to take back the North. Which could of resulted in a situation where he was the de facto ruler of Winterfell.
edited 20th Jul '17 4:26:37 PM by Falrinn