Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

He's popular so he gets to stick around and eat up screentime while being not nearly as monstrous as he is in the books and all his talk about the good of the realm is true instead of almost certainly self-serving bullshit.

edited 7th Jan '17 6:12:22 AM by doineedaname

I'm not too concerned with his morality, but in the show he is literally doing nothing but making jokes. I'd prefer it if he was scheming from the shadows for all we know.

Remind me why the Umbers didn't just, you know, claim Winterfell since they had Rickon in their hands? They could just send word to the Iron Throne, who would most likely support them since Roose is dead and they know Ramsay to be a rabid dog with all the political ability of a kitchen spoon.

HAH! THAT'S WHAT YOU GET YOU KHAL JERKS. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN, YOU ASSHOLES, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN! Goddamnit, I just love Dany's senseless pyromania! MWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Also Tormund x Brienne OTP. <3D

Because the writers don't think things through. They had Roose in revolt against the Iron Throne by marrying Sansa to Ramsay instead of putting her head on a pike when losibg Lannister support should've had everyone with a grudge lining up to shiv him.

The Lannister's can't do anything to the North because of it's size and they're still recovering from the war, and the North doesn't shiv the Boltons because they are also depleted and not likely to put Sansa at risk.

Except they're not really. Robb didn't bring their full strength south, he just grabbed everyone who could move quickly because they were in a hurry to save Ned.

@doindename But you're working off the book's continuity.

In the show version, Robb did bring all his men south.

A quick question for those with good memories, how common was the knowledge that the Boltons were working with the Freys and the Lannisters? The Freys got the bulk of the hate because they violated sacred hospitality and are all around complete dicks, how much did the Boltons get?

In the books, the fact that Roose personally stabbed Robb in the heart and is to blame for giving the North a bad name is not widely known. Roose is not regarded as a traitor among the fence-sitting contingent of the North in the books.

In the show, it's widely known that Roose did betray Robb and personally stabbed him..

has anyone made a timeline of the events in the show up through the sixth season ? AFAIK, the first season's events take place roughly sequentially, but then in the second the POV is split between a bunch of characters in more than four different locations making it harder to figure out the exact amount of time that is passing. I think it may be easier if certain POV's were spliced together from season to season instead of jumping back and forth but idk. All I know is that according to Word of God not every POV takes place at the same time, explaining how certain characters can travel such vast distances in the span of one episode

My advice is that the showrunners should be the ones to put this timeline.

They come up with absurd explanations, so they should do the legwork to make it all tie together. Let's stop doing their job for them.

To me the timelines is ridiculous with too much teleporting and jetpacking and the whole it's-not-happening-at-the-same-time is not to be taken seriously until the showrunners prove that they put some thought behind that explanation and it's not some Ass Pull.

Neither the books' nor the show's timelines are easy to follow. GRRM said that the chapters from Feast and Dance are not in chronological order, but are rather in a more narratively-appropriate sequence. Plus there are several chapters in multiple books that actually take place over weeks, if not months. Dany's riding through the Dothraki Sea in Game comes to mind. If I'm not mistaken, Dany's marriage to Drogo actually took place some time before King Bob & Co. arrived at Winterfell.

Travel times really make little to no sense. Some characters (Tyrion, Arya) spend an entire book or season just trying to get from Point A to Point B. Whereas Jorah and Varys can apparently teleport.

What he said specifically is that both books happen simultaneously but are geographically separate. AFFC is set in Central and Southern Westeros (Iron Islands, Riverlands, King's Landing, the Reach and Dorne) and Braavos...ADWD is set in Essos and the North primarily before returning back to Feast and stitching both halves.

But both novels are clearly picking up right where A Storm of Swords left off and there's none of the geographical blunders that are there in the show.

That only happens in one chapter in Book 1 (between her wedding and her visit to Vaes Dothrak)...what "several chapters" are you speaking of. Her time spent wandering the desert in Book 2 is also one chapter...It's the show that stretches that into "Where are my dragons?"

Arya only spends book three doing that...the show made that into a two-season plot, and stretched the period when she was a hostage with the Hound into an entire season buddy-comedy when it was just two or three chapters in the book. Tyrion only wanders for Book 5.

edited 10th Jan '17 6:07:01 PM by JulianLapostat

Settle down, fellas, before lu the mod comes back and thumps you guys

I have to admit upfront that I flagged Julian's post for the personal attack.

Not sure what you find thumpworthy about Lawyerdude's post though- speaking ill of GRRM is not thumpworthy, personal attacks on other tropers are.

I modded my post as per Hodor 2 and Mad Skillz's advise.

But I basically think simply defending the show's geographical blunders by saying "but the books..." on a forum saying "Potential Book Spoilers" is impolite in and of itself.

They're really dragging Arya's stuff. I can see why, though. Her book material is done, but Maisie Williams has been excellent throughout the whole show and definitely has a great fan following. Writing her out would just be terrible. I thought the little theater play was a really nice touch. It was well-executed and reminded us just how common people who work on official word see the turn of events. And it as funny in a Toilet Humour sort of way.

Ugggggggggggggggh. Way to waste Yara's good moment to give Theon a way to look respectable. Screw that guy. He does not get to be cool.

Tormund x Brienne remains OTP.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUMMER ;________;

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HODOR ;_____________________;

Hodor!

I don't know what is going on in the writer's heads but taking all of AFFC's rebuttals away and instead turning her into this tongue-tied lamb that needed a PTSD Theon to speak for her was insulting.

They did the same thing with Stannis and Davos when they went to negotiate with the Iron Bank. Stannis gave up on convincing the Iron Bank and stood there tongue tied when Davos started stumping for why he deserves their gold.

I don't know why they changed Yara's platform from in the books. It makes her unsympathetic that she wants to continue reading and pillaging everywhere rather than making peace with the North if they give them some northern land and an alliance to stand against the Iron Throne together.

Here are the top 10 characters in terms of screentime for Season 6:

Jon Snow - 51:30

Sansa Stark - 40:30

Tyrion Lannister - 34:00

Jaime Lannister - 30:45

Arya Stark - 30:00

Daenerys Targaryen - 28:45

Cersei Lannister - 28:30

Davos Seaworth - 27:15

High Sparrow - 20:30

Bran Stark/Margaery Tyrell - 18:15

I'm happy that Sansa had a lot of screen time; Cersei having less time than Arya is odd as Cersei had a plot and more impactful scenes than Arya.

edited 16th Jan '17 2:34:27 PM by byakugan0889

Cersei had a plot and more impactful scenes than Cersei???

By the Seven, episode 6 was the best one yet. I think the absence of Sansa, Theon and Ramsay was instrumental to that.

Arya's segment is once again dragged through the nose, but this one was well-done. I like where this is going. Also, I see too much meta commentary in that stage play for some reason.

I...am not sure what Margaery's plan is. I find it hard to believe she has had a change of heart. On the other hand, proselytizing the king was a nice move. I liked how the scene played out. Seeing the Freys again was really good, since it's all about their comical incompetence and comeuppance.

Holy Crap, they remembered Benjen! Pleasant surprise.

Holy crap! They hit the nail on the head with Sam's family. I love it. Excellent scene. Not sure I buy Sam running away with their ancestral sword, but the rest of the scene was too good,

The ending was the only part I didn't like. Dany just appears and has a cool moment because she's a cool moment bot. Ok. Don't care about it. The last time I saw her, she ended the episode earning everyone's reverence. Now, with no buildup scenes, we just get...another reverence. There's not much impact to it if that's all that happens every time we see her.

I hated that Daenerys scene because it was a waste of money and time. I'd rather they had use that dragon cgi money for Ghost. But then I'm afraid they'd just kill Ghost with that extra time. Maybe keeping him off-screen is for the best.

Depending on how you feel about the darker and edgier aspects of the show in comparison to the books, you may loathe the next episode.

I know the next episode made Gilphon quit the show so prepare yourself.

edited 18th Jan '17 2:25:20 PM by MadSkillz

It...made...Gilphon....quit?

...What have I gotten myself into ;__________;

Is that the Hodor episode?