No, really. The North Koreans carried out a wet work op here and this is the official response. Either the Malaysian government just went up a tier in being full of shit or were in on this the whole time.
Well, you heard it here, intelligence agencies, the Malaysian government doesn't give a shit about whether or not you kill people on Malaysian soil. Get to work.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotMaybe we should send Trump and/or Bannon there.
Maybe it's just not that important.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleHad a local citizen gets killed the response would be the equivalent of MH17 shooting down....
That said, there is an arrest of a Vietnamese woman said to be caught doing it under CCTV and another 5 are currently being pursued, so not caring about murder is a bit off base here.
Also, request for not performing autopsy on the deceased body was denied as well.
edited 16th Feb '17 1:54:37 AM by murazrai
It was most likely done there instead of Macau since the MSS has a presence there.
According to the PSIA, the assassins should be dead by now. But I don't buy it.
Is Special Branch expected to investigate it, assuming there will be one?
edited 16th Feb '17 5:43:10 AM by Ominae
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"Three arrests made so far. Including both the alleged assassins.
I doubt it. Special Branch is a unit for counterterrorism and political crimes. It is very likely to be handled by serious crime unit instead.
I believe you did say "political".
There aren't a lot of details on how the arrests transpired, though. Don't North Korean agents resist vigorously when others try to capture them?
Also, I distinctly remember the New Straits Times (very government-connected) running the Kremlin line about a Frogfoot downing MH17 back in the day. I know because that nearly brought me to a foaming rage in my high school library.
edited 16th Feb '17 6:19:23 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotCyanide pills I guess.
Though the ones arrested weren't North Korean at all. Most likely SSD used liaisons to control them.
So far, RMP mentioned that they'll still do an autopsy.
News from Macau, Public Security Police are stepping up close protection for his immediate relatives.
edited 16th Feb '17 6:46:50 AM by Ominae
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"I'm seeing some theories floating around the assassination may have been in response to a tabloid piece a few South Korean news services ran a few weeks back that claimed he was being approached to head up an opposition movement against his brother in some capacity.
That's what the analysts are thinking right now.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"Ties to Japan may factor in Kim Jong Nam’s mysterious murder
Kim Jong Nam was killed Monday morning at Kuala Lumpur International Airport as he was readying to board a flight to the Chinese enclave of Macao, South Korean authorities confirmed Wednesday. News of his dramatic death first emerged late Tuesday.
But while South Korea’s spy agency said that it suspects the North to be behind the murder, it did not directly blame Pyongyang. According to the South’s Yonhap news agency, however, National Intelligence Service (NIS) Director Lee Byung-ho told lawmakers that for the past five years Pyongyang had been attempting to assassinate Kim Jong Nam, who had been under the Chinese government’s protection.
Lee, however, did confirm that Kim was killed with poison at the airport, likely by what Malaysian police believed were two females who carried out the attack.
Malaysian police said Wednesday that they had detained a woman holding a Vietnamese travel document in connection with the killing.
Earlier, Kyodo News, citing an anonymous Japanese government official, had reported there was information suggesting the pair might already be dead.
The two females splashed Kim’s face with what was believed to be a chemical at the airport’s departure hall at around 9 a.m. Monday, later fleeing the scene by cab, the Malaysia Star newspaper quoted police official Fadzil Ahmat as saying.
“He told the receptionist at the departure hall that someone had grabbed his face from behind and splashed some liquid on him,” Fadzil said.
“He asked for help and was immediately sent to the airport’s clinic. At this point, he was experiencing headache and was on the verge of passing out,” according to Fadzil. “At the clinic, the victim experienced a mild seizure. He was put into an ambulance and was being taken to the Putrajaya Hospital when he was pronounced dead,” he added.
Yoji Gomi, a Japanese journalist and author of the book “Kim Jong Nam: My Father, Kim Jong Il and Me,” which is based on more than 150 email exchanges and seven hours of interviews, said that he was deeply troubled by the killing of Kim, who he called a friend and who appeared uninterested in seizing power.
“I thought I would have the opportunity to meet him again,” Gomi, a senior staff writer at the Tokyo Shimbun, told The Japan Times. “I am sure he had things he wanted to say.”
The eldest son and onetime heir apparent to late former North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, Jong Nam fell out of favor with his father after he was caught in an embarrassing bid to enter Japan on a false passport in 2001 in order to visit Tokyo Disneyland.
Jong Nam had long lived abroad since the incident, routinely traveling between Beijing, Macao, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.
“It has been some time since he was ousted from the power structure of the North Korean regime, but he is the only one who can criticize the regime as a member of the Kim family,” Gomi said. “I was hoping that he would have brought unexpected changes.”
Still, Jong Nam, a rotund and jovial figure, had been one of the very few members of the Kim family to criticize the regime — and live to talk about it — lambasting the dynastic approach to ruling the North that saw Kim Jong Un groomed to take power.
“Personally, I am against third-generation succession,” Jong Nam told Asahi TV in 2010. “I hope my younger brother will do his best for the sake of North Koreans’ prosperous lives.”
This stance was unlikely to have endeared the elder brother to his sibling, who has viciously stamped out perceived threats to his power, including orchestrating the execution of his powerful uncle, Jang Song Thaek, in 2013. Jang was thought to have been close to Jong Nam.
“This assassination could signal that Kim Jong Un has moved into the final phase of his power consolidation process,” said Ken Gause, a senior analyst at the CNA think tank in Washington who has studied the North’s leadership.
“He may be going after critical networks that helped him secure power, namely the Kim Kyong Hui network,” Gause said in reference to Jang’s widow and aunt of Kim Jong Un.
Gause said she had been Kim Jong Nam’s “protector inside the regime.” Now, he said, the North Korean leader felt confident enough to go after individuals in that network, including the country’s security chief, who was sacked last month.
Others, however, have suggested an alternative theory — that the biggest obstacle to Kim Jong Un maintaining a firm grip on power is himself.
According to Ken Kato, director of the group Human Rights in Asia, Kim Jong Un may in fact be a “traitor” to the very country he rules through his family lineage.
In 2012, Kato unearthed documents that revealed Kim Jong Un’s maternal grandfather had worked in a sewing factory that made uniforms for the wartime Japanese military in Osaka, where Kim’s mother, Ko Yong Hui, was born.
This discovery, Kato said, would make the grandfather a “collaborator” — a grouping that Kim Jong Un’s other grandfather, North Korean founder Kim Il Sung, said “must be eliminated through three generations,” potentially affecting the young leader.
“Technically, Kim Jong Un could have been defined as a traitor and could be in a labor camp,” Kato said. “So we can infer that Jong Un might have been planning on killing his elder brother as he could threaten his status.”
For his part, Gomi is skeptical that Kim Jong Un ordered the alleged assassination, saying that the young leader has his hands full dealing with growing international pressure over the North’s nuclear and missile programs.
But, he said, a lack of vigilance may have brought about his death.
“When he came to Japan, he was walking around alone,” Gomi said. “I think he was enjoying his life in places like Malaysia and Singapore, staying incognito.”
Kim had been the target of at least one earlier assassination attempt in 2012, according to the South’s spy agency, something that may have prompted Kim Jong Nam to reportedly send a letter to his half brother in 2012, by then the country’s new leader, asking him to spare his and the lives of his family, which is currently under the protection of China in Beijing.
“What’s the point of rubbing him off? Kim Jong Un reportedly has been Beijing’s favorite, which may mean one day the Chinese Communist Party may overthrow him and install Kim Jong Nam,” said Sung-Yoon Lee, an assistant professor of Korean studies at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in Massachusetts.
According to Lee, the younger Kim “has a serious legitimacy problem in terms of his bloodline.”
“His mother, Ko Yong Hui, who was a dancer, was born in Japan,” he said. “Kim himself probably was born in Vienna or Geneva while Ko was living abroad. The Japanese bloodline has serious negative implications for the Korean ‘Sun God.’ “
More to the point, said Lee, the killing sends a chilling message to all would-be challengers.
“Don’t you dare. Disobey, and this is your grim fate,” he said.
BBC reports that one of the women arrested by the RMP was under the impression that she's in a reality show where she played a prank on Kim Jong Nam.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"I always figured that someone would eventually get a mag dumped into them while claiming "it's just a prank bro!", but these aren't the circumstances I had in mind.
The Royal Malaysian Police have arrested a North Korean man in relation to the assasination. Pyongyang is upset that the Malaysian government has refused to accede to their demands that an autopsy not be carried out.
Frankly, if this is what does Malaysian-North Korean ties in, so be it. The denizens of Wisma Putra were never smart enough to realize that the USSR and China loosened ties with NK for a reason, and if Beijing starts pulling their leash, I might actually welcome Chinese leveraging attempts for once.
Priority will be given to Jong-nam's next of kin to claim his body. The logistics of this are probably rather awkward, though. I wonder if the MSS is going to show up in force next.
“I felt suspicious. They don’t seem to have taken strict psychological and physical education and training in North Korea,” Hyon-hui told the paper.
According to Malaysian media reports, the women told police they had been involved in a prank.
“They would not have run away if that was the case,” Hyon-hui said.
She also emphasised a link with North Korea as the date of the murder was close to the February 16 birthday of the late leader Kim Jong-il, father of Jong-un and Jong-nam, and that Jong-il’s nephew Lee Han-young was shot dead on February 15, 1997.
The Bukit Aman Special Branch Director, however, is claiming that it is too early to conclude that foreign special agents were responsible for the assassination. I wonder who other than the North Koreans would want him dead. Nestle?
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
I think he might be alluding to freelancers.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleNah, Nestlé is much more subtle. And, rather parsimonious when it comes to the size of unskilled workgroups. They'd just poison a load of targeted Unilever products he preferred to use.
edited 18th Feb '17 2:34:22 AM by Euodiachloris
Wow I am actually almost surprised they did that. Where will they be getting coal from now? /Sarcasm
Figure I would add that last bit to make it clear.
edited 18th Feb '17 5:43:00 AM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?From what I'm hearing they're actually cutting coal consumption as a whole, as the pollution caused by coal burning is starting to become a major source of dissatisfaction with the CCP, even with the suppression of the Under the Dome documentary a while back.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotSo SB has made a press about Jong-Nam's death. I thought they weren't going to say anything.
I don't know about MSS, though I'm sure that the Macau branch will do covert surveillance while the Public Security Police will step up close protection. I forgot if they have a witness security unit in their structure. I need to check it.
edited 18th Feb '17 7:20:20 AM by Ominae
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"The Malaysian government has summoned the North Korean ambassador over the variety of accusations he's made over the assassination of Kim Jong-nam. The Malaysian ambassador to North Korea has been recalled from Pyongyang for "consultations" as well.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotRMP has released notices that they're hunting for four North Koreans who came to KLIA on regular passports.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"Background on the North Korean suspect
There might have been a security lapse at the hospital where Jong-nam's body is stored.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotThe Inspector-General of the Royal Malaysian Police has stated that the women that poisoned Kim Jong-nam knew what they were doing. Apparently they had performed dry runs elsewhere... in view of CCTV cameras.
The Inspector-General is also seeking the return of two suspects from North Korea.
Well, that's probably all the reasons needed to have the two liquidated there, I guess.
edited 21st Feb '17 10:20:37 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
A bit more detail on what happened with Kim Jong-nam:
South Korea suspects female assassins killed half-brother of North Korea leader
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