Rebuild of Evangelion

It wasn't a daydream; I actually dreamed that just before waking up. As in, Shinji woke up from the nightmare and a few seconds later, I woke up too (alarm clock).

How can you be sure you aren't Shinji dreaming of being amitakartok?

Still a dream. And I think mine trumps yours.

Say hello to Schrödinger's Butterfly.

edited 31st Jan '15 1:32:10 AM by MarqFJA

Last night I dreamed my house was being assaulted by a team of armed priests that took each one of us one by one downstairs to execute us.

That's the sort of thing you just don't expect.

Back on the subject of Shinji/Rei, call me crazy, but someone is going to have to explain to me how two siblings "just beginning to discover each other" prevents them from being siblings. They share a large amount of genetic material. Rei is a Yui clone. That makes her Yui's daughter. Which makes her Shinji's sister, full stop. 3.0 leaves no ambiguity about this. She's confirmed as a Yui clone.

And no, it doesn't matter that she's "her own person." A sister is her own person. Individuality doesn't make a sibling not a sibling.

It's because Rei Ayanami is the OG Waifu.

Long time no see Lennik.

Again, I guess it's because of the fact that those two share such a close bond with each other, with quite a few subtle hints showing something blossoming between the two. You could argue that it just a mere "brother-sister thing", but that all depends on one's viewpoint.

It also all comes down to the fact that she's a clone, albeit with some of Yui's genetic material. I'm not exactly sure how much of Yui's genetic structure is part of Rei, since she's also part Angel. If anything, it feels, to me at least, more of an Interspecies Romance than it is incest (she's seems to be more his half-sister).

And yes, her becoming her own person does play a part, as it is her relationship with Shinji that makes her develop from an unfeeling clone into a person capable of feelings like love.

I have more of a problem with S/A in light of 3.0, since that latter has gone through 14 years of battles and the like, yet will apparently still hold onto a crush that she was more than willing to get over (and no, the fact that she may still have hormonal swings and the like doesn't justify it).

edited 31st Jan '15 9:42:18 PM by LDragon2

Rei has Lilith's soul, not her body. Genetically, she's all Yui. That's what "clone" means.

edited 31st Jan '15 10:20:28 PM by Lennik

You sure? Cause I'm pretty sure that a lot of her appearance (blue hair, red eyes, extremely pale skin tone) are all indications that her genetic structure isn't entirely human. Her having the soul of an Angel at least is affecting that of her which is human. She's a Half-Human Hybrid; part human, part Angel.

edited 31st Jan '15 10:35:08 PM by LDragon2

No, that's not how genetics work. Fuyutsuki comes flat out and says she's a clone of Yui. I don't know how you can interpret that to mean anything other than her being a clone of Yui.

Of course she's a clone. However, she's also a Half-Human Hybrid.

Pretty sad origin come to think about it. She's neither completely human, nor completely Angel, but rather something different. She's basically her own creature, you could say, not Yui or Lilith, but her own unique persona.

Which is why I find her relationship with Shinji to be so heartwarming and the like. It is through her interactions with him that she slowly begins to become human, and learns to love. I just find it to be one heck of a compelling relationship, and is why I'm a shipper of S/R.

edited 1st Feb '15 1:32:57 AM by LDragon2

Either him, Ritsuko, or Gendo also describes the Evas as clones of Adam/Lilith, when it's patently clear to anyone with proper knowledge of the relevant sciences that that is not how cloning works (for one thing, the Evas are not just markedly different from Adam/Lilith, even the Adam-derived ones look markedly different from each other). The term "clone" is clearly not being used properly in-universe.

And the fact that she is even capable of being a vessel for Lilith's soul implies that she does have something of Lilith's DNA in her makeup. Kaworu, the one being who can be said to be most similar to her in nature, was born from the Katsuragi Expedition's Contact Experiment with Adam (implied in the anime, flat-out stated in the manga), i.e. he's part-human, part-Seed of Life/Angel. This by proxy implies that Rei is a similar kind of hybrid.

Oh, and for the record, Rei is explicitly said to have been created from "the salvaged remains of Yui". There's nothing saying that they recovered 100% of Yui's genome from the LCL after the Contact Experiment.

edited 1st Feb '15 10:26:55 AM by MarqFJA

It is stated that Angels are genetically compatible with humans - but filling out the gaps in an incomplete human DNA with Angel DNA is likely to produce something that doesn't even remotely look human. If it is even capable of cellular metabolism, that is, much less surviving beyond the embryonic stage.

I do have to wonder what exactly they mean by "remains of Yui". She's basically absorbed for ****s sake!

Yeah, but was it ever said that she was completely tanged? Not Enough to Bury could be in effect.

The idea of them finding the remains of Yui's mangled corpse is exactly the kind of thing I would expect from Evangelion, to the point that i'm kind of surprised they spared us from that.

They do still have one more movie...

And the unavoidable next reboot they'll do at some time in the future.

They are going to get NGE, D&R and EOE out on blu-ray after 4.0 releases, so who knows what Anno's got up his sleeve.

RE Yui's remains: The impression that I got is that they tried something similar to what Ritsuko did to recover Shinji from Unit 01 (to no avail), and in Yui's case the only "success" was recovering genetic material (possibly in the form of microscopic amounts of her cells) within the Entry Plug's LCL.

So how much of Yui's genes makes up Rei in that case?

Could be as little as the amount of genes that dictate one's appearance, which only form a ridiculously tiny portion of the human genome (apparently any pair of randomly picked humans are over 90% identical in genetic makeup).

Indeed, it is a bit vague as to how much of Yui Rei is.

On another note, obviously the ending to the Rebuild saga will be different than the original series (at least I hope so). Wonder if Anno will decide that since the Eo E thing is overused, he'll go with something like The Wachowski Bros. did for the Path of Neo game, in order to make something more satisfying:

how would the ending be the same as the original series? the entire setup we have right now is different, the characters are in different emotional states, and we don't even know if Gendo's plan works the exact same way in Rebuild or not.