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#92976: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:11:30 PM

Even though my question was (not) answered, I think I shall hang around for a while. You lot seem interesting.

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#92979: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:19:26 PM

[up]...Well. I don't think I'll be able to look at Two the same way again. Thanks for that, I suppose...

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#92980: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:21:16 PM

[up][up] How the hell the TARDIS ended up on Gallifrey in "Listen" (S08xE04).

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EeveeGirlChey Not stupid or expendable. from the Liberator Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#92981: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:21:24 PM

Ahh, Don't worry dear fellow. I think that picture was actually kinda cute and I didn't intend it to be frightening. Only for the joke of it.

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#92982: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:29:27 PM

[up][up]I think the simplest answer is this: the TARDIS is weird. Time travel is weird. The rules of the universe are weird and not even the writers know what they are. Things happen because they need to happen. Wibbly wobbly and such.

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#92983: Jul 5th 2015 at 5:49:02 PM

Even though my question was (not) answered, I think I shall hang around for a while. You lot seem interesting.
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#92986: Jul 5th 2015 at 9:10:37 PM

So I watched The End of Time and... it wasn't that bad. Mind you, it wasn't good, but it wasn't that bad either. The biggest problem with it is that the Master's plan to become everyone makes no sense. ...As usual, but this takes it to a whole new level. If the Master wasn't able to heal himself before imprinting himself on everyone, then that would mean everyone in the world has become ravenous death machines. Every single food source in the world will be depleted within a week (if that,), and after that, what's everyone going to eat? Weeeeeeeeeeeell...

Also, the plot itself was your bog-standard 'someone/something is trying to conquer/destroy the Earth', with not much else to recommend it, and after 45+ years, there needs to be something more to that here. Oh, they try to add something more to that — there's a nice scene with the Doctor and the Master in the first part, and another with the Doctor and Wilf in the second — but it's not enough. Also, we had a Hope Spot of Donna maybe/kind of/possibly getting back to normal, but that was dashed in short order with an Ass Pull that's completely out of nowhere even by Doctor Who standards. So there's that.

But what I most like about this episode is that Ten is finally starting to realize what he's become. Oh, he still doesn't realize it completely, but he does at least in part. And in the end, he knowingly gives his life to save Will, despite clearly not wanting to die. (Oh, and he pushes Luke out of the way of a car, so he also gets brownie points for that.) I still can't forgive him for what he did to Donna, or for many other things he did, but I think that, with both Water of Mars, as well as the beginning of his Heel Realization in the end of that story and into End Of Time, he's done his penance. He's suffered, he began to know he did wrong, and he's dead; there's nothing more that can really be done to him at this point. I still don't like him (at all,) but he got his comeuppance, and he's at last on his way out.

But Ten isn't the only one on his way out. The RTD era is finally over and done with, and good riddance. RTD had a good first series, doing things that had never been done in the show before, unafraid to take risks, and coming up with a series-long arc that puts all of his succeeding ones to shame. But during Ten's run, RTD's bag of tricks and his general ideas&concepts kept getting used again and again and again, to the point where it all got old. It got so old that by the fourth series, he and his fellow writers started using plots from the 70's. Planet of the Ood was a Colonialism story, while the Doctors' Daughter involved two warring factions who forgot why they were warring, and both had been done decades ago. All of this was old hat by the 00's, and yet, they went through with it anyway.

But if RTD's taught me anything, it's that DW needs to be more than just 'old hat'. It needs to cover new areas, push new boundaries, tread new ground that DW and maybe even television in general has yet to cover, because DW is capable of doing so by it's very nature. What it needs is less alien invasions or other tired old plots, less Soap Opera-esque romantic plot tumors, and more fresh new ideas and intelligent writing. And I think Steven Moffat will deliver just that.

So long, Ten and RTD. I'd like to say I'll miss you, but unlike the Doctor, I don't tend to lie.tongue

edited 5th Jul '15 10:05:03 PM by kkhohoho

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#92987: Jul 5th 2015 at 9:24:01 PM

Good luck and have fun with Matt Smith! He was my first Doctor before I discovered the classic ones. grin

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#92989: Jul 5th 2015 at 9:57:02 PM

I rather like the idea that the Morbius faces are the Other.

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#92990: Jul 5th 2015 at 9:59:58 PM

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You know, I agree with you about Ten being aware of what he's done.

I mean, he pretty much knows the end of time is his swan song. He goes into that battle knowing that he won't be coming back one way or another (whether through actual death or regeneration), and up until the fake out with Wilf, he accepts it.

Hell, in the end, he chooses it to save Wilf. Ten is a lot of things, but if he could save a life, he will save a life......which is kinda the problem with Donna, but lets not get into that again.

So yeah, he's a fucker, but......what was my point again? I forgot.

Eh, lets just end it with Ten is a fucker.

David Tennant rocks as always however.

edited 5th Jul '15 10:00:09 PM by HandsomeRob

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#92991: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:00:32 PM

I'm pretty sure The Master did that 'turn everyone into a copy of me' thing entirely so he could make that 'Master race' pun.

Like, I feel like he probably didn't plan ahead past the point where he says that line. Possibly he was hoping the Doctor would 'trick' him into explaining his plan and then stop him before he pulled it off, because that way he'd be able to make the pun but wouldn't have to bother thinking of a stage 2.

edited 5th Jul '15 10:03:07 PM by Gilphon

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#92992: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:06:20 PM

I'm not fond of the idea of there being lives before Hartnell, because One does not strike me as having a hell of a lot of experience, let alone eight lifetime's worth.

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#92993: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:11:00 PM

[up][up][up]Ditto. Although, I was actually going to include a certain quote to further prove my point of Ten realizing what he's become, but I forgot to do so. So I'm doing it now.

I've taken lives. And I got worse; I got clever. Manipulated people into taking their own. Sometimes I think a Time Lord lives too long.

I think that pretty much says it all.

edited 5th Jul '15 10:11:13 PM by kkhohoho

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#92994: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:23:13 PM

I have problems with End of Time.

It doesn't really hang together very well. The fifteen minute 'reward' segment pats itself so hard on the back that I'm sure it broke something. Even for Doctor Who, so much of it is contrived. It doesn't really have enough plot to fill two episodes. Mysterious Time Lady Who Is Maybe Sorta But Not Explicitly the Doctor's Mom Bothers Me. The Master's resurrection is really dumb. The Doctor putting his morals over the whole human race and swinging the gun back and forth for several minutes now reminds me of this.

But damn it all if the last couple minutes doesn't just get one all hype.

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#92995: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:32:04 PM

The end of End of Time is pretty much a funeral for a character who's not really going anywhere. "I don't wanna go" just caps off a long, long sequence sabotaging Eleven's popularity with Ten fans.

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#92996: Jul 5th 2015 at 10:33:56 PM

"... to Trenzalore is what I meant to say all along clearly."

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#92997: Jul 5th 2015 at 11:16:45 PM

Something that I only picked up on when watching that scene on youtube (because someone pointed it out in the comments); why did Ten put the TARDIS into flight mode before his regeneration? Things went bad and Eleven had to start keeping things together off the bat. This also applies to 9 (although he didn't know he was regenerating until after he lifted off), and Eleven as well (who has no such excuse. You think the Doctor would leave the TARDIS in park while he completed the life-changing process that has always left him a bit dazed and wobbly afterwards.

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#92998: Jul 5th 2015 at 11:18:36 PM

Recently, I've decided to go back into the time where my (used-to-be baby) brother watched this dumb fucking show called Captain Mack back in 2008.

The theme song is so freaking annoying and stupid it's actually catchy in a bad way.

Why is this relevant? Because by replacing the name Mack with Jack, this theme song gets a bit badass...for Captain Jack Harkness, that is.

No, really. If you want, search for the theme. If you do...say your ears goodbye.

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#92999: Jul 6th 2015 at 9:09:09 AM

So I just saw The Eleventh Hour.

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Seriously, this was, quite possibly, the best Who episode I'd seen in a while, mainly because Series 4 was just so overall lackluster, though the episode itself was still good. It was fun, well-written, brought some new ideas to the table, and made sure you never looked in the corner again was all around one of the best Post-Regeneration stories a Doctor's ever had. They didn't waste time with regeneration trauma, and instead just spent a few minutes with Eleven being a bit loopy before he hit the ground running, and it actually ended up doing what a Post-Regeneration story is supposed to do; introduce us to the new Doctor.

Speaking of the new Doctor, I love Eleven already. He's not entirely different from Ten, but he's different enough in all the ways that matter. He doesn't presume himself to be 'the highest authority', isn't so manic and self-centered, and uses his natural accent doesn't seem to be so self-righteous as Ten was. Ten's major downfall was that he focused too much on the Time War, which caused him to stick his head up his arse and make many rather regrettable life choices. Eleven seems to be doing his best to not even think about it, and the result is a much more considerate and understanding Doctor, at least by comparison. Sure, he basically corrals Amy into the TARDIS, but I get the feeling that if she actually did decline, he'd still let her go, if regrettably. Of course, it's only the first episode, so all of this may be a bit early to tell, but if this holds up, he might end up being one of my favorite Doctors. (Though Seven's still going to top him.)

edited 6th Jul '15 10:25:59 AM by kkhohoho

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#93000: Jul 6th 2015 at 10:10:53 AM

I just realized. End of Time was during the special season, wasn't it? Did people have to wait months for part two?

[up]x2 Eleven, to me, is The Doctor. I don't know if it's because Eleventh Hour was my first episode, or something else, but if someone says "Doctor Who" that's where my mind goes immediately.

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