Doctor Who

If only it didn't take so fucking LONG.

Yeah, that.

edited 31st Jul '14 9:43:46 PM by Wackd

Also that.

Good job Wack'd. My loa couldn't be in better hands.

Ten should trade regeneration scenes with Six. Or Seven.

Seven should've gotten a long, slow revisitation of companions. (Would've fit nicely with his protective chant in Curse of Fenric, really.) And a dying prophecy would've suited him nicely, I think.

Ten should've gotten shot (the irony!) and died on the operating table.

edited 31st Jul '14 9:47:40 PM by Wackd

I believe I've mentioned before how I like the idea of Ten dying in Journey's End (meaning no Handy) and having Eleven resolve that plot (bonus- Eleven probably would have let Donna die.)

End of Time just made me disappoint in so many ways.

There were good things hither and yon but just overall it didn't really work. The plot was an excuse for a checklist of set pieces and while that can work, it didn't work here. Because the connective tissue was just ugh.

Also, the stuff other people said.

While I'm sure those of us who have talked this over here in the thread agree that letting Donna die was the more morally defensible option, I suspect actually taking that option would've gone over like a red balloon for the majority of the viewing public unless we remove the fact that the Doctor can actually fix this.

And I mean, for an incumbent Doctor's first action to be helplessly watching their companion die...that doesn't really set a great precedent.

Plus we get "The Snowmen" like three years early.

Frankly, I'd just as soon let her keep her newfound intelligence, or better yet save the day without it so her plot arc makes sense.

I've gone into plans for a three-part epic mashup of the parts that make sense from Ten's two finales before. I think the best idea is that Caan and Davros were manipulated by Rassilon instead of the Master.

There might also be time to set forth that this Rassilon secured his power by revising and enhancing the true Rassilon's legend (resolving the progression from "Rassilon? I vaguely remember a few nursery rhymes about him" to "Rassilon the archetect and perfector of our culture, he rests in immortal sleep forever amen") and convincing the Time Lords he was the same.

edited 31st Jul '14 10:34:33 PM by TParadox

Would this explain why Caan was such a goober?

I like your plan if it explains why Caan is such a goober.

The Lord President IS Rassilon. The Doctor and the Master both said so, and they should know. They wouldn't have said it if they thought that the Dalt's character was an imposter. They would have just torn him apart and then each other. Having the real Rassilon there kept the story moving forward until its inevitable end when the Master reacted badly to Rassilon making his usual mistake and dismissing one of his tools as worthless.

The Master is worthless.

He's a useless little renegade, only good for his slash appeal.

And I guess that stupid awful pun was actually pretty funny.

They address him as Rassilon, but they never directly connect him to the Rassilon. And from a character perspective he's completely unlike the last time we actually saw Rassilon.

edited 31st Jul '14 11:06:19 PM by TParadox

Regeneration fucks with your personality, though, and the original Rassilon's got something this one doesn't.

Wack'd

Wack'd

Thank you.

Let us high five in front of an explosion.

It seems unlikely that Rassilon would go from "I hate immortality, Imma sleep for eternity" to "I REFUSE TO DIE".

I thought it was implied at some point that ol' Rassy was put to sleep involuntarily or something.

Either way, how can you hate on the Daltonator?

It also seems unlikely that someone would go from dressing in a friggin' sports uniform to an uncategorizable patchwork nightmare, but that's regeneration for you.

Years from now I'm gonna find this in my Pictures folder and wonder what the hell provoked it.◊

edited 31st Jul '14 11:28:47 PM by Wackd

You should at least go "okay uncomfortable tongue, this has something to do with bocaj"

otherwise I have not done my job

It depends how many years! If something terrible happens and one of us stops coming here—and something terrible is what it'd take, at least on my end—than I'm gonna forget you eventually.

I always imagine you casually licking an ice cream cone with a prehensile tongue and slightly quizzical look

Yeah, every avatar you have that's not that one is super-weird to me.

I don't remember why I changed it.

Probably because someone commented that they were glad for the stability I brought or something.

I should change it back. I love my ice cream konegasa.

It's in the drinking game, if that helps.

Anyway, I just realised something: Couldn't Tem have just gone to the Library and uploaded Donnas consciousness there?

Nope. Ten would rather go and do this:

http://www.reactiongifs.us/sad-in-the-rain-doctor-who/

Two Ten in the rain gifs for the price of one url. Bargain price.

Honestly, in order to improve Donna's fate all you need to do is have Donna decide - after some angst - that's it's okay for the Doctor to wipe her memory.

It's still a terrible, angsty ending because of what Donna's lost, and she and the Doctor can't spend time together after being best buds, but Donna actually choosing that fate - instead of the Doctor imposing it on her against her wishes - makes it much more palatable. Especially if they implied that Donna had also changed as a person, even if she didn't recall exactly why.

He turned a guy to stone. All the Doctors were scared of him.

He was kind of a dick.

...Then there's Zagreus, if you want to count that.

Considering Davies regularly hired Nicholas Briggs, and went out of his way to ensure that Big Finish got to keep their license, I imagine he probably was aware of the existence of that trainwreck.

William Blake! Urizen The Architect! The Floronic Man and Goya!

Anything about William Blake's mythology, especially Urizen, is relevant because the Eremites entry in The Book Of The War.

Also a reference to Rassilon.

If Moffat was inspired by The Book Of The War's Anarchitects and Gargoyles to make the Weeping Angels, I like to imagine Davies was inspired by the "with an idiot's spittle on his lips" thing when he cast Timothy Dalton.

edited 1st Aug '14 8:24:09 AM by unnoun