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edited 18th Sep '17 1:08:08 PM by Fighteer

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#40326: Jun 26th 2016 at 7:31:28 AM

Or it's just her being Lawful Anal, the rules say she has to get a positive Detect Evil, so without that, even if all other evidence makes clear he is evil, she can't act like she's proven he's evil and just make with the killing, simply for being 'evil'.

stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#40327: Jun 26th 2016 at 11:57:10 PM

Wait, since when did midlevel paladins get 5 attacks in a round?

In other news I realized that the only reason oona is around so Team Evil has some form of consistent Physical damage.

edited 27th Jun '16 12:11:18 AM by stevebat

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Aetol from France Since: Jan, 2015
#40328: Jun 27th 2016 at 1:37:22 AM

Dual-wielding, and probably a feat or two.

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Shinziril Compulsive Researcher from the internet Since: Feb, 2011
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#40330: Jun 27th 2016 at 6:59:28 AM

3 katana attacks + 2 unarmed attacks probably means she has at least +11 BAB (for 3 primary weapon attacks in a full attack) and Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (for two bonus attacks). Note that you can "dual-wield" a regular weapon and an unarmed strike.

edited 27th Jun '16 6:59:48 AM by Shinziril

Aetol from France Since: Jan, 2015
#40331: Jun 27th 2016 at 7:00:39 AM

According to the relevant GiantITP thread, she does have a few monk levels stated here but the reason she can make five attacks in a round is because she has a high enough level to make three main hand attacks, and she took the Improved TWF feat, which gives her a second off-hand attack.

Edit: swordsage'd

edited 27th Jun '16 7:01:01 AM by Aetol

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#40332: Jun 27th 2016 at 7:35:26 AM

Smite Evil does not indicate to you whether the target is Evil. You can use Smite Evil against anyone. It just doesn't give you any special damage bonus if used against a non-Evil target. And you don't have to Detect Evil before using it, but you do want to be sure your target is Evil because you only get so many usages of Smite Evil a day and if you waste it on a Neutral or Good target, well, sucks to be you. No refund.

When you use Smite Evil, it adds your CHA score to your attack roll and adds damage equal to your Paladin level to your damage roll, but only against an Evil target. A Good or Neutral target receives a standard attack and damage roll. When Miko dropped a Smite Evil on Roy, she was acting on the assumption that he was Evil based on her previous Detect Evil and thus expected it to kill him. When it didn't, that was weird and prompted a discussion of Roy's alignment.

Belkar and the rest of the Order were stonewalling her attempt to Detect Evil on Belkar from after that onwards, but she still seemed pretty certain and kept attempting to verify. When push came to shove, she went with her gut and burned a Smite Evil on him.

At no point is Miko actually fooled by the lead sheet. She just wants the proof so she can say, "I verified his Evil alignment before putting the fiend to death," and it won't be a lie.

edited 27th Jun '16 7:39:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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#40333: Jun 27th 2016 at 7:53:09 AM

Stop oppressing my culture you ethnocentric bitch

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#40334: Jun 27th 2016 at 8:56:59 AM

At no point is Miko actually fooled by the lead sheet. She just wants the proof so she can say, "I verified his Evil alignment before putting the fiend to death," and it won't be a lie.

Which is pretty much what I was trying to say.

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#40335: Jun 27th 2016 at 10:24:41 AM

And when she used detect evil on him in azure city, it was more of a way to locate him in the dark.

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lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#40336: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:26:49 AM

Update

More MitD trolling. Thanks O-Chul.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:27:02 AM by lrrose

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#40337: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:37:51 AM

I suspect that next time we see these two, Lien will have gotten much better at Go[lol]

edited 29th Jun '16 8:45:08 AM by Kayeka

Wryte Pretentious Git from A Disney Pocket Dimension Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#40338: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:39:09 AM

"Well I didn't bring them for you."

It took me a second to get that line. D'awww.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:39:40 AM by Wryte

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#40339: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:39:10 AM

Maybe he's a fragment of the Snarl or something.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#40340: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:40:53 AM

[up][up]

I'm not sure I do. I'm guessing they were for someone in her family and/or a slain soldier, but I wasn't sure if a specific known character was being implied.

Is it wrong I'm shipping them?

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#40341: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:42:49 AM

[up][up]Can't be; he is a creature that characters who are knowledgeable about ecology can identify, and while not native to the habitat that he was found in, he's most certainly not a god-eating abomination or people would have reacted differently.

[up] O-Chul is talking about the MitD.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:43:21 AM by Fighteer

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#40342: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:43:08 AM

^^ He brought them for the MITD. They used to play Go with each other when he was Redcloak's prisoner.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:43:16 AM by Wryte

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#40343: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:43:19 AM

He used to play Go with the MitD back when he was a prisoner of Gobbotopia.

[nja]

edited 29th Jun '16 8:43:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#40344: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:44:41 AM

Oh duh, sorry. I got the bubbles confused and was thinking Lien had brought the Go set.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#40345: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:26:41 AM

Well, things continue to stay interesting.

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Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#40346: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:28:00 AM

[up][up]Same here, actually.

Also, that title pun... groan.

edited 29th Jun '16 9:28:20 AM by Medinoc

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ashnazg Since: Dec, 2009
#40347: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:59:00 AM

Aww, that's really cute. (Good to know that Lien and O-chul are now onsite, at least. Although even O-chul has fallen victim to only being able to drop oblique references when discussing a yet-to-be-revealed piece of information. Elan and Tarquin would probably have something to say about that. tongue)

edited 29th Jun '16 9:59:28 AM by ashnazg

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#40348: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:12:47 AM

One thing that struck me after reading is that unlike the OOTS, O-Chul knows Redcloak's personality and motivations pretty well and if'when he reconnects with them, he's a good source for that.

Because like I don't think the Order really has any knowledge of the "Goblin independence movement", do they? As far as they know, Redcloak is Xykon's head mook and brought an army of minions with him, right?

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#40349: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:25:19 AM

[up]O-Chul is not only a much-needed walking encyclopedia on Team Evil, but a level head they desperately could use in general. smile

Also, the Go-set had me grinning with the warm fuzzies, too. grin

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#40350: Jun 29th 2016 at 11:06:08 AM

"O-chul has fallen victim to only being able to drop oblique references when discussing a yet-to-be-revealed piece of information. Elan and Tarquin would probably have something to say about that"

They'd probably note the Certainty Principle; if he doesn't reveal his theory, it's definitely true, but if he does, the effect of reader observation makes it definitely untrue.


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