Naruto

Amazing that Orochimaru is actually involved in the development of his kid.

He's already a better parent than Sasuke.

Also it should be noted that Sasuke was the person who brought Orochimaru back from the dead in the first place.

It was also the execution of their redemption which proved unbelievable and badly written. I get people can be redeemed for their crimes, but the rap sheet Madara, Obito, Orochimaru, and even Sasuke did shows too much leeway. I really despise that the series went all the way to redeem Obito, and tried to portray him as just misunderstood.

edited 11th Aug '17 7:56:02 PM by firewriter

I mean, Orochimaru never really died, since a) he was only sealed away in the end by Itachi, and b) he basically pulled a Voldemort and had shards of his soul lying around in all the Curse Seals he ever placed on anyone, so he was able to be revived from Anko's Curse Seal and some physical matter from Jugo, which had the side-effect of removing the Curse Mark from Anko.

True but Sasuke was the one who let him out.

Completely undoing all of Itachi's work in the end.

Which you know, led to him freeing the souls of all four dead Hokages from the Shinigami to both get his arms back and to let Sasuke talk to him, helping to heal the Five Kages after the battle with Madara nearly killed them, and finally helped to fight off Guruguru after Madara was revived. Plus, the entire army would have died if it wasn't for Minato being brought back to life, since he was the one who dealt with the Massive Biju Bomb that the Ten-Tails shot at them before the Hokages arrived to the battle.

Hey, does anyone think that Kishimoto should have kept Orochimaru as the main villain instead of being sidelinded by Pain, Madara, or especially Tobito. I think he would have made for a great final villain if he teamed up with Madara by resurrecting him from the dead. I also think if they wanted to do the evil Obito thing right they should have made Orochimaru resurrect Obito and put him as a sleeper agent in the Akasatski.

See, you say that, but notice that in the three years between Parts 1 and 2, that Orochimaru pretty much fell off the map? Remember, Orochimaru only has two main goals: become immortal, and learn everything in the world, which the Sharingan would help him with; the man has at no point ever had a desire for either world peace or for conquering the world. He's basically Mayuri if he stayed as an antagonist for far longer than the former did; making him the final villain in all of this would basically go against the point of his whole character. Destroying the Leaf Village and killing Sarutobi were really just revenge plots for him, but not full long-term goals like learning everything and immortality were.

Orochimaru could have always been Demoted to Dragon, while Madara could took stage as the final Big Bad of the series. He even could be Co-Dragons with Tobito. If Kaguya had something to do with Madara, she would instead be introduced way earlier instead of namedropped at the last minute. Instead of being a Big Bad, she would instead be the Big Good would be help the heroes stop Madara.

edited 11th Aug '17 8:47:57 PM by firewriter

I know he was the focus villain for a long time, but I don't think he's appropriate to be the final villain. He's too personal to Sasuke, and not enough to Naruto.

I guess, with his attempt on the leaf village and killing Hiruzen, he could have been an appropriate final boss if the series never moved beyond the scale and issues of Konoha. But I don't think that would have ever happened.

We should have had a compelling final boss, whether it be Orochimaru or someone else.

I see that point. On the other hand, he still could have been Demoted to Dragon while serving under a resurrected Madara.

edited 11th Aug '17 9:10:45 PM by firewriter

I think his role in the story is fine. I'd prefer he didn't come back (in the war) and I don't like him being under Madara or Akatsuki. As a former member, and someone who only answers to himself during his time in the story, I think that works best for him.

Agreed. The same can be said about man of the revived villains in that arc.

The problem with bringing kakuya up earlier in series is seemingly the only place where information was held on her was on the uchiha tablet behind either the EMS or rinegan, though it could of been done a lt better than it was name dropping her would f been horrible. It also would mean of went against the facts that everybody know about the sage creating ninjutsu.

Though I do think you could have hinted about her when zestu was about and bring her about fully during the scene between marada and Kabuto

As for orichmaru he wouldn't of been a great final villain or dragon unless we never really brought in the rest of the world. I think the problem really was the fact that it is apparently fine in the Naruto verse to hire a traitor to your village to work for you and be happy about it, add in the same thing that some crimes get in out world.

Like you have to remember that a group that just betrayed you was then asked for assistance as your ally with no one thinking that was wrong. And this was in part 1. It been a staple of the series that even mass killers can just turn around and in a year or two at most lead your home. Example gara

I'd detest Orochimaru has a final villain, mostly because I find his "motivations" to be vague and boring.

He served his purpose for the most part during part 1, and early part 2.

I feel bad for Sarutobi.

Man gave his life to stop Orochimaru as penance for his failures & punishments for the latter's atrocity's & now good old snake guy is running around having the time of his life.

He died remembering Orochimaru in a positive light for some reason, so I don't think he would mind much if he were alive. Especially if Naruto is "ok" with it.

That's just how characters are written in this series, so....

I find this Easily Forgiven thing that people have of villain characters they knew in the past grating.

There was a little bit of information on Kaguya, as Kakashi stated that there were at least legends that the Sharingan was derived from the Byakugan. As we learn later, the Sharingan was created by Kaguya from her Byakugan, and inherited by her grandson Ashura, the founder of the Uchiha Clan.

Indra

Poor Byakugan, despite being an originator it really got shafted for the Sharingan.

Sarutobi died remembering the kid Orochimaru was. Let's be fair...he spent that entire fight fully dedicated to killing Orochimaru and said his hesitation killing him in the past was a flat out error.

It really should have gotten more importance in this series.

It is now.

Its annoying Bort still has lame normie eyes though. He needs to ditch them & move on up to bigger & better shit.

Huh in the flash-forward one of his eyes was still completely normal right?

edited 12th Aug '17 6:33:46 PM by slimcoder