History YMMV / FantasticFour

* AssPull: "Doomwar" stated the Doom had seen many possible futures and the only one where humanity survived was under his rule, with the Panther God confirming he wasn't making it up. While it has been shown that Doom could make the world a better place the idea has been demonstrated in the past, these futures only work if you throw out the fact that Doom has in the past shown no interest in [[VictoryIsBoring ruling the world if his rule is unopposed.]]

* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuldXSIobTQ theme]] Capcom made for their fighting game, ''VideoGame/MarvelSuperHeroes''. ''VideoGame/MarvelvsCapcom3'' uses a very fitting and ominous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObxGUEkzF_o remix]] of said theme for him. They also made [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alYhrEwijC8 a victory theme for him]] in ''Marvel Super Heroes''.

** Reed and Sue especially get hit with this. Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm were the {{Breakout Character}}s of the four having both unique personalities and awesome designs (the Human Torch is all fire while the Thing is all Rock) whereas Reed's original personality was a StandardFiftiesFather complete with dated sexism, with Sue treated as the WetBlanketWife and pre-women's lib stay-at-home TeamMom rather than a career woman, and despite being a rare woman with superpowers in her time never quite became as popular as ComicBook/JeanGrey. Their visual designs -- Reed being a stretchy-guy and Susan turning Invisible -- is not exactly eye-catching. Later writers have tried to balance the pair and made Susan more powerful and important but rarely a consistent set of personal features and the GrandfatherClause nature of the Four means that the dynamic never strays too far from how the characters were originally conceived. This also accounts in part for the AdaptationDecay since usually Johnny and Ben translate as they are (helps that their personalities are considered timeless even today), but Reed and Sue are often altered or given AdaptationalAngstUpgrade.

** Doom is quite certainly one of Marvel's most polarizing characters, for some he's a cool MagnificentBastard and one of Marvel's best villain for others he's an overrated InvincibleVillain, and Marvel's most [[CharacterShilling shilled character]].
** Another crowd of fans likes Doctor Doom in some storylines but feels dislikes how he's handled when writers like him too much and his PopularityPower and CharacterShilling kicks in.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantastic Four looks almost safe in comparison.
** There is also the fact that this team was Marvel's answer to DC's Justice League. At the 60s and 70s, they were indeed very popular and they did influence the greater Marvel Universe with their Cosmic background, science heroes, and being one of the few teams at the time where their supporting characters interacted with other heroes. However, with the rise in popularity with the X-Men in the 80s and the Avengers in the turn of the millennium, they have taken a backseat to both teams. They are still well regarded, especially since there's a noticeable backlash when Marvel started to downplay them for awhile and they are usually lumped together with X-Men and Avengers as their big three super hero teams, but newer fans find it harder to see how they helped create the Marvel Universe.

** Many fans also believe that Reed himself crossed during ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', in which he constructed a HellholePrison in a dimension that literally sucks the life out of you, then shipped several of his friends there without trial in the name of "national security." Even post-''ComicBook/DarkReign'', [[KarmaHoudini he has paid for none of this]].

* FriendlyFandoms: FF fans tend to have a good relationship with Franchise/SpiderMan fans on account of the character's long history with the team dating back to the first issue of his series, and as a result he is often treated as the unofficial fifth member of the team especially back when he joined the Future Foundation. In universe Johnny and Peter are close friends despite their antagonistic relationship in the early comics, and they are a popular pairing for fans.

* MemeticBadass: Doom is one of the few people who can give Franchise/{{Batman}} a run for his money in this camp. Why? He's a master of both science and magic, turned a small country into an advanced global superpower through his own ingenuity, commands the fear and respect of both superheroes and supervillains, and has toppled celestial entities.

** Many fans also believe that Reed himself crossed during ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', in which he constructed a HellholePrison in a dimension that literally sucks the life out of you, then shipped several of his friends there without trial in the name of "national security." Even post-''Comicbook/DarkReign'', [[KarmaHoudini he has paid for none of this]].

** Many fans think of reading The Thing's quotes in Creator/MichaelChiklis' voice. It helped that his performance is considered the best of the ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four]]'' duology acting. Alternates exist in Creator/FredTatasciore (the bonus levels of the tie-in game for the 2005 film, ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance 2'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes''), Creator/DaveBoat (''WesternAnimation/TheSuperHeroSquadShow'', the WesternAnimation/MarvelUniverse shows, ''VideoGame/MarvelHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance3TheBlackOrder''), and the late Chuck [=McCann=] (the '90s Marvel cartoons).

* HilariousInHindsight: In one old comic book, the Fantastic Four stars in a [[https://i.imgur.com/ll6w27Pr.jpg film about themselves]], which goes on to garner critical acclaim and secure the heroes the wealth they needed to carry on their work. Modern readers tend to find this particular story unintentionally comical, due to all live-action adaptations of the ''Fantastic Four'' being met with mostly negative reception, with the [[''Film/FantasticFour2015'' 2015 picture]] even becoming a box-office bomb and being considered one of the worst superhero films ever made.

* HilariousInHindsight:
** Or Harsher, depending on your point of view, but back then, [[https://i.imgur.com/ll6w27Pr.jpg the team actually had a movie about them that people actually liked]].
** The [[UltimateUniverse ultimate]] version of Galactus has some uncanny parallels to [[Franchise/MassEffect the Reapers]].
** In the 1981 compilation movie ''Doctor Doom Conquers the World'', Doom's first words are "Of course." This echoes the words of [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic a certain Internet reviewer]] and [[Film/StreetFighter a certain less-successful fellow would-be conqueror of the world]].

* HardToAdaptWork: In concept, you wouldn't think the FF would be one of these, and they've worked well in the past when it comes to animation and a few video games. In terms of live-action movies, however? What you get are [[Film/TheFantasticFour four]] [[Film/FantasticFourDuology fantastic]] [[Film/FantasticFour2015 failures]] (even though the 2000s film series got a cult following.) Clearly, there's ''something'' about these characters that Hollywood hasn't yet figured out how to get right. Time will tell if the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse reboot will change things for the better (which, considering their track record, [[HopeSpot seems likely]]).

%%* MemeticBadass: Doom is one of the few people who can give Franchise/{{Batman}} a run for his money in this camp. Why?

* SoBadItWasBetter: Some fans prefer Trapster's original alias, Paste Pot Pete, purely because of how ''ridiculous'' it is.
%%* SpiritualLicensee: Quite a few people compared Dan Slott's run on the Silver Surfer with ''Series/DoctorWho''. Why?

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Any time [[Characters/MarvelComicsDoctorDoom Doctor Doom]] has an OutOfCharacterMoment, [[ActuallyADoombot it's always a Doombot]]. ''Always''.

* DorkAge: In the 90's, Sue had a stint where she wore a {{Stripperiffic}} outfit. Needless to say, this was unnecessary, clashed with nearly all of her characterization, and even those who *typically* have no issue with such outfits decried it here. Eventually she reverted to the more standard uniform.

* WhatAnIdiot:
** In his OriginStory, he's a college student, aiming with a private project to open a portal to hell. That cursed Reed Richards, who was passing by, points several mistakes in his formulas. Doom shows him the door.\\
'''You'd expect:''' That, once Richards is gone and nobody will take undue credit for his project, Dr. Doom would check again the formulas, to confirm if they are right indeed, or if there is some mistake to fix. If Richards ''was'' right, nobody would know it, and Doom can deny him any credit. In any case, checking and double-checking his work several times should be a must when he does a project like this all alone, even if Richards never interfered.\\
'''Instead:''' Doom ignores Richards' warnings and proceeds with the experiment. It goes wrong, there is a huge explosion, and his face gets scarred beyond heal.
** In his 2019 comic, Richards and Stark built a black hole in the moon, and it malfunctioned. Doom is allowed to build a fix for it, and to do it alone and unsupervised. There couldn't be a better chance for Doom to prove that he's the better one. When he's about to start it, Reed calls to wish him luck.\\
'''You'd expect:''' That Doom simply ignores the pointless pleasantries, and proceeds.\\
'''Instead:''' He starts speculating ''why'' did Richards call him, figures that he must had figured that the machine would not work and was secretly gloating, so Doom starts to oversee all the minutiae detail... and causes the machine to malfunction.

** Has any writer ever let [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] forget he used to have a crush on Sue?
*** Namor ''still'' [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4715404.html#cutid1 has a crush on Sue]]. Sue will never live down the fact that she used to crush on him, too.

* SpiritualLicensee: Quite a few people compared Dan Slott's run on the Silver Surfer with ''Series/DoctorWho''.

* SuperCouple: Reed and Sue are definitely this as they are one of the longest lasting and iconic couples in all of comics, having been married since 1965.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Yay, we finally get a grown-up Franklin in the nineties... yeah, they basically turned him into ComicBook/{{Cable}}. Many fans who wished to see Franklin grow up were infuriated by the lack of creativity in creating Psi-Lord.
** In the same vein, Hyperstorm the, [[spoiler:time-traveling son of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards]], was only used for one arc and never used again because they killed him off. He was only given a backstory for shock value and had no interaction with his parents while in the past. He was just some random MultiversalConqueror.

* {{Narm}}:
** It's doubtful that Creator/HannaBarbera could have picked a cheesier-sounding man to voice Doom in [[WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1967 the Fantastic Four's first animated series]].
** The [[Film/FantasticFour2015 2015 cinematic adaptation]] reduced Doom to a whining StrawNihilist programmer, who later turns into a [[NightmareRetardant glowing green mannequin wrapped in trash bags]].