History YMMV / FantasticFour

18th Sep '16 11:50:16 PM eaterofworlds
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantastic Four looks almost safe in comparison.
11th Aug '16 7:24:56 PM comicwriter
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* ContinuityLockOut: There are some cases where the writers seemed to assume most of the kids watching the show were familiar with the comics, and thus didn't bother explaining things in detail. A big example is the Comicbook/GhostRider's guest spot. He shows up out of nowhere with zero foreshadowing, gets no real explanation about who he is, where he comes from or how his powers work, and then just takes down Galactus and leaves.
10th Aug '16 10:32:49 PM Thranx
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** Kang's iconic costume has always been fairly goofy, but in his earliest appearances his thigh-high boots were skin-tight and striped purple-and-black, resembling nothing so much as harlequin motley tights. Yowza.
5th Aug '16 12:31:35 PM Scorntex
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* CanonDiscontinuity: It probably isn't a coincidence that most of Mark Millar's run that hasn't just been ignored outright has been written off in the years since.
31st Jul '16 10:34:32 AM nombretomado
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* TheWoobie: Ben Grimm, mutated into the monstrous-looking Thing, but also one of the most respected and beloved superheroes in the Marvel universe. WordOfGod has stated that The Thing is the most beloved superhero in the entire Marvel Universe. This makes him analogous to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} of DCComics.

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* TheWoobie: Ben Grimm, mutated into the monstrous-looking Thing, but also one of the most respected and beloved superheroes in the Marvel universe. WordOfGod has stated that The Thing is the most beloved superhero in the entire Marvel Universe. This makes him analogous to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} of DCComics.Creator/DCComics.
25th Feb '16 7:05:33 PM MeekGazelle
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** A lot Reed's [[FairForItsDay early]] {{characterization|MarchesOn}} was [[http://media.tumblr.com/fd54e518afbfb9a9cae9f462fc7c2ae2/tumblr_inline_moibh4dsDa1qz4rgp.jpg quite sexist]]. Add that with the panel of [[http://media.tumblr.com/18b4c8045796b5c9c4c58355f69e4247/tumblr_inline_mv8lky6Dyg1soo5ac.jpg Richard slapping Sue]]. ItMakesSenseInContext [[note]]Richard was attempting a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan[[/note]], but it along with the aforementioned Namor having a crush on Sue, is often joking used as proof the Namor would make a better husband.

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** A lot Reed's [[FairForItsDay early]] {{characterization|MarchesOn}} was [[http://media.tumblr.com/fd54e518afbfb9a9cae9f462fc7c2ae2/tumblr_inline_moibh4dsDa1qz4rgp.jpg quite sexist]]. Add that with the panel of [[http://media.tumblr.com/18b4c8045796b5c9c4c58355f69e4247/tumblr_inline_mv8lky6Dyg1soo5ac.jpg Richard slapping Sue]]. ItMakesSenseInContext [[note]]Richard was attempting a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan[[/note]], but it it, along with the aforementioned Namor having a crush on Sue, is often joking jokingly used as proof the that Namor would make a better husband.
9th Feb '16 1:14:44 PM BatmanKalEl
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* MarySuetopia: Latveria, DependingOnTheWriter, in which case Dr. Doom's reign is depicted to be unrealistically benevolent.



* VillainSue: Creator/MarkMillar's controversial character "the Marquis of Death" may be a straight example or a subversion, depending on how you look at it. He was a DiabolusExNihilo more powerful than ''Galactus'' who claimed to be [[TheManBehindTheMan the man behind Dr. Doom]], at whom he got pissed for becoming a NobleDemon rather than the CardCarryingVillain he wanted him to be. He effortlessly {{Mind Rape}}s and kills Doom, then declares himself Doom's successor. The subversion comes a few issues later when [[spoiler:Doom comes back, reveals the Marquis didn't kill him properly, and blows him to Hell]]. Even with that considered, it's still generally thought of as a terrible story.
9th Feb '16 1:10:44 PM BatmanKalEl
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantatsic Four looks almost safe in comparison.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantatsic Fantastic Four looks almost safe in comparison.



* TearJerker:
** [[spoiler:The Last Stand of Johnny Storm.]]
** Ben [[spoiler: grieving for him afterward]]. Never has a fight between Thing and Hulk been more heartbreaking.
1st Feb '16 1:31:31 PM KingClark
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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[MadMen Don Draper.]]

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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[MadMen [[Series/MadMen Don Draper.]]Draper]].
18th Jan '16 12:58:35 PM Temmere
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** As Stan Lee tells it, The Thing was originally the most popular member of the group, which influenced Lee's creation of the Comicbook/IncredibleHulk.
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