History YMMV / FantasticFour

25th Feb '16 7:05:33 PM MeekGazelle
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** A lot Reed's [[FairForItsDay early]] {{characterization|MarchesOn}} was [[http://media.tumblr.com/fd54e518afbfb9a9cae9f462fc7c2ae2/tumblr_inline_moibh4dsDa1qz4rgp.jpg quite sexist]]. Add that with the panel of [[http://media.tumblr.com/18b4c8045796b5c9c4c58355f69e4247/tumblr_inline_mv8lky6Dyg1soo5ac.jpg Richard slapping Sue]]. ItMakesSenseInContext [[note]]Richard was attempting a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan[[/note]], but it along with the aforementioned Namor having a crush on Sue, is often joking used as proof the Namor would make a better husband.

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** A lot Reed's [[FairForItsDay early]] {{characterization|MarchesOn}} was [[http://media.tumblr.com/fd54e518afbfb9a9cae9f462fc7c2ae2/tumblr_inline_moibh4dsDa1qz4rgp.jpg quite sexist]]. Add that with the panel of [[http://media.tumblr.com/18b4c8045796b5c9c4c58355f69e4247/tumblr_inline_mv8lky6Dyg1soo5ac.jpg Richard slapping Sue]]. ItMakesSenseInContext [[note]]Richard was attempting a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan[[/note]], but it it, along with the aforementioned Namor having a crush on Sue, is often joking jokingly used as proof the that Namor would make a better husband.
9th Feb '16 1:14:44 PM BatmanKalEl
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* MarySuetopia: Latveria, DependingOnTheWriter, in which case Dr. Doom's reign is depicted to be unrealistically benevolent.



* VillainSue: Creator/MarkMillar's controversial character "the Marquis of Death" may be a straight example or a subversion, depending on how you look at it. He was a DiabolusExNihilo more powerful than ''Galactus'' who claimed to be [[TheManBehindTheMan the man behind Dr. Doom]], at whom he got pissed for becoming a NobleDemon rather than the CardCarryingVillain he wanted him to be. He effortlessly {{Mind Rape}}s and kills Doom, then declares himself Doom's successor. The subversion comes a few issues later when [[spoiler:Doom comes back, reveals the Marquis didn't kill him properly, and blows him to Hell]]. Even with that considered, it's still generally thought of as a terrible story.
9th Feb '16 1:10:44 PM BatmanKalEl
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantatsic Four looks almost safe in comparison.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantatsic Fantastic Four looks almost safe in comparison.



* TearJerker:
** [[spoiler:The Last Stand of Johnny Storm.]]
** Ben [[spoiler: grieving for him afterward]]. Never has a fight between Thing and Hulk been more heartbreaking.
1st Feb '16 1:31:31 PM KingClark
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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[MadMen Don Draper.]]

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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[MadMen [[Series/MadMen Don Draper.]]Draper]].
18th Jan '16 12:58:35 PM Temmere
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** As Stan Lee tells it, The Thing was originally the most popular member of the group, which influenced Lee's creation of the Comicbook/IncredibleHulk.
29th Dec '15 7:12:50 AM Anddrix
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** Alternatively, Reed is a VillainWithGoodPublicity and the only reason he has yet to TakeOverTheWorld it is because SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom keeps distracting him.

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** Alternatively, Reed is a VillainWithGoodPublicity and the only reason he has yet to TakeOverTheWorld it is because SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom keeps distracting him.



* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom is a perfect example in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way.

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* MagnificentBastard: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom is a perfect example in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way.
21st Dec '15 6:40:53 PM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Creator/MarkWaid hated the NobleDemon characterization of Doom, so when he came aboard the book he did an arc where Doom {{flay|edAlive}}s his [[childhoodFriendRomance Unlucky Childhood Friend]] alive and [[{{Squick}} makes her skin into a new suit of armor]]. Unsurprisingly, this didn't take, and Doom has since returned to his AntiVillain characterization. That said, the general consensus is that it is a very good story and many fans give Doom props for not crossing the MoralEventHorizon so much as [[CrossesTheLineTwice blasting through it with a rocket launcher]]. His actions in the story are still very much canon, as well.

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** Creator/MarkWaid hated the NobleDemon characterization of Doom, so when he came aboard the book he did an arc where Doom {{flay|edAlive}}s his [[childhoodFriendRomance [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Unlucky Childhood Friend]] alive and [[{{Squick}} makes her skin into a new suit of armor]]. Unsurprisingly, this didn't take, and Doom has since returned to his AntiVillain characterization. That said, the general consensus is that it is a very good story and many fans give Doom props for not crossing the MoralEventHorizon so much as [[CrossesTheLineTwice blasting through it with a rocket launcher]]. His actions in the story are still very much canon, as well.
29th Nov '15 10:50:12 PM AdamC
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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[MadMen Don Draper.]]
19th Nov '15 11:46:06 PM DuckDuckNoose
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* DamselScrappy: In the early "Invisible Girl" years of the first run, Sue was [[TheLoad much more of a liability]] with her limited power set, and constantly exhibited poor judgment or absent-mindedness (as {{Creator/Seanbaby}} points out, not only did she [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-beloved-superheroes-who-are-actually-really-stupid/ constantly forget whether or not she was invisible]], but actually walked into traffic on more than one occasion); in an effort by multiple writers to make amends for this, her power levels and competency have increased exponentially over the years, to the point where she's become by far the strongest member of the team.
30th Oct '15 1:50:39 PM Pren
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** Reed's siding with Iron Man's pro-reg faction during Civil War. Especially since unlike Iron Man, he's faced ''zero'' repercussions for it thus far.
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