History YMMV / FantasticFour

12th Dec '17 7:55:57 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: The [[{{Sadist}} Marquis of Death]], from ''Master of Doom'' by Creator/MarkMillar & Bryan Hitch, is a minor ArcVillain of the Fantastic Four, but handily makes his mark as one of the most monstrous individuals across Marvel Comics. Originally one version of the brain-damaged Clyde Wyncham on an alternate Earth, the Marquis discovered his love of slaughter after murdering dozens of heroes and villains when his mind was fully returned to him, and became dedicated to [[OmnicidalManiac killing as many things as possible]]. First massacring every single one of the 7 billion people on his own Earth, the Marquis spent the next billion years traveling to various Earths then slowly exterminating all life on each and every one, always drawing out the deaths of heroes and forcing them into {{sadistic choice}}s for his own sick amusement. Through this, the Marquis annihilates millions of universes and amasses an unfathomable body count before finally showing up on the 616 Earth, where he annihilates all of Latveria before viciously executing his loyal servant ComicBook/DoctorDoom for going too slow in destroying 616's heroes. The Marquis goes on to torment the Fantastic Four with the millions of versions of their loved ones he has murdered, then tries to manipulate Mr. Fantastic into compromising his morality for the life of his universe, after which he attempts to simply kill this Earth as well then continue his dimension-wide omnicide spree. His power surpassed only by his sadism and evil, the Marquis of Death has one of the most horrifying body counts across all media, and handily sticks out as the most evil Fantastic Four villain.

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* CompleteMonster: The [[{{Sadist}} Marquis of Death]], from ''Master of Doom'' by Creator/MarkMillar & Bryan Hitch, is a minor ArcVillain of the Fantastic Four, but handily makes his mark as one of the most monstrous individuals across Marvel Comics. Originally one version of the brain-damaged Clyde Wyncham on an alternate Earth, the Marquis discovered his love of slaughter after murdering dozens of heroes and villains when his mind was fully returned to him, and became dedicated to [[OmnicidalManiac killing as many things as possible]]. First massacring every single one of the 7 billion people on his own Earth, the Marquis spent the next billion years traveling to various Earths then slowly exterminating all life on each and every one, always drawing out the deaths of heroes and forcing them into {{sadistic choice}}s for his own sick amusement. Through this, the Marquis annihilates millions of universes and amasses an unfathomable body count before finally showing up on the 616 Earth, where he annihilates all of Latveria before viciously executing his loyal servant ComicBook/DoctorDoom for going too slow in destroying 616's heroes. The Marquis goes on to torment the Fantastic Four with the millions of versions of their loved loves ones he has murdered, then tries to manipulate Mr. Fantastic into compromising his morality for the life of his universe, after which he attempts to simply kill this Earth as well then continue his dimension-wide omnicide spree. His power surpassed only by his sadism and evil, the Marquis of Death has one of the most horrifying body counts across all media, and handily sticks out as the most evil Fantastic Four villain.
29th Oct '17 12:57:43 PM nombretomado
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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' When Reed Richards was [[Series/MadMen Don Draper]].

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-->'''[[TheCinemaSnob Brad Jones:]]''' -->'''Creator/BradJones:''' When Reed Richards was [[Series/MadMen Don Draper]].
21st Oct '17 2:03:09 PM Dr.XXX
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Yay, we finally get a grown-up Franklin in the nineties... yeah, they basically turned him into ComicBook/{{Cable}}. Many fans who wished to see Franklin grow up were infuriated by what the lack of creativity in creating Psi-Lord.

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Yay, we finally get a grown-up Franklin in the nineties... yeah, they basically turned him into ComicBook/{{Cable}}. Many fans who wished to see Franklin grow up were infuriated by what the lack of creativity in creating Psi-Lord.Psi-Lord.
** In the same vein, Hyperstorm the, [[spoiler: time-traveling son of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards]], was only used for one arc and never used again because they killed him off. He was only given a backstory for shock value and had no interaction with his parents while in the past. He was just some random MultiversalConqueror.
14th Oct '17 4:39:53 PM FateStayWho
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** Dr. Doom to the point that he actually overshadows the Fantastic Four themselves in popularity and is often outsourced to other heroes like ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/SpiderMan. After ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' Doom more or less became the Earth-based BigBad for the Marvel Universe itself.
** Galactus was originally supposed to be another threat from space, but has since become one of the most iconic villains in Marvel and like the above mentioned Doom is not limited to battling the Fantastic Four.

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** Dr. * EvilIsCool: Doctor Doom to is a perfect example in the point that he actually overshadows Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the Fantastic Four themselves in popularity BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way. He's gotten so popular is often outsourced to other heroes like ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/SpiderMan. After ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' Doom more or less became the Earth-based BigBad for the Marvel Universe itself.
** Galactus was originally supposed to be another threat from space, Galactus, while not exactly evil, but has since become one of the most iconic villains in Marvel is still antagonist, and like the above mentioned Doom is not limited undeniably a badass one. Like Doom, he's so popular that he's been outsourced as enemy to battling the Fantastic Four.many other heroes.



* FoeYay: Doctor Doom's obsession with Reed is one of the biggest examples in Marvel.



* MagnificentBastard: Doctor Doom is a perfect example in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way.

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** Doctor Doom at times manages to be this. He is a horrible person whose entire motive for trying to defeat the Fantastic Four stems from his NeverMyFault attitude, and for every humanizing moment he's committed so other horrible atrocity. But he also lost his mother at young age and Mephisto tormented him with nightmares of her fate in hell.
* MagnificentBastard: Doctor Doom is a perfect example in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way.Doom.
3rd Oct '17 4:31:18 PM Dr.XXX
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Yay, we finally get a grown-up Franklin in the nineties... yeah, they basically turned him into ComicBook/{{Cable}}. Many fans who wished to see Franklin grow up were infuriated by what the lack of creativity in creating Psi-Lord.
13th Sep '17 2:01:02 AM Byzantine
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** Galactus was originally supposed to another threat from space, but has since become one of the most iconic villains in Marvel and like the above mentioned Doom is not limited to battle the Fantastic Four.

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** Galactus was originally supposed to be another threat from space, but has since become one of the most iconic villains in Marvel and like the above mentioned Doom is not limited to battle battling the Fantastic Four.
13th Sep '17 1:59:07 AM Byzantine
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** Valeria has become incredibly popular for the sheer adorable factor her TokenEvilTeammate acts, along with her JerkWithAHeartOfGold tendencies.

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** Valeria has become incredibly popular for the sheer adorable factor factor, her TokenEvilTeammate acts, along with and her JerkWithAHeartOfGold tendencies.
13th Sep '17 1:45:48 AM Byzantine
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Dr. Doom is an incredibly popular villain, which can lead to [[JerkassDissonance dissonance]] between exactly how evil and villainous he is and exactly how evil and villainous his fans ''think'' he is.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Dr. Doom is an incredibly popular villain, which can lead to [[JerkassDissonance dissonance]] between exactly how evil and villainous he is and exactly how evil and villainous his fans ''think'' he is. Also helped by several contradictory depictions of Doom over the years, with some writers giving him plenty of PetTheDog moments and others depicting him as willing to both hurt and kill his own [[MoralityPet Morality Pets]].
13th Sep '17 1:39:35 AM Byzantine
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* CompleteMonster: The [[{{Sadist}} Marquis of Death]], from ''Master of Doom'' by Creator/MarkMillar & Bryan Hitch, is a minor ArcVillain of the Fantastic Four, but handily makes his mark as one of the most monstrous individuals across Marvel Comics. Originally one version of the brain-damaged Clyde Wyncham on an alternate Earth, the Marquis discovered his love of slaughter after murdering dozens of heroes and villains when his mind was fully returned to him, and became dedicated to [[OmnicidalManiac killing as many things as possible]]. First massacring every single one of the 7 billion people on his own Earth, the Marquis spent the next billion years traveling to various Earths then slowly exterminating all life on each and every one, always drawing out the deaths of heroes and forcing them into {{sadistic choice}}s for his own sick amusement. Through this, the Marquis annihilates millions of universes and amasses an unfathomable body count before finally showing up on the 616 Earth, where he annihilates all of Latveria before viciously executing his loyal servant ComicBook/DoctorDoom for going too slow in destroying 616's heroes. The Marquis goes on to torment the Fantastic Four with the millions of versions of their loves ones he has murdered, then tries to manipulate Mr. Fantastic into compromising his morality for the life of his universe, after which he attempts to simply kill this Earth as well then continue his dimension-wide omnicide spree. His power surpassed only by his sadism and evil, the Marquis of Death has one of the most horrifying body counts across all media, and handily sticks out as the most evil Fantastic Four villain.

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* CompleteMonster: The [[{{Sadist}} Marquis of Death]], from ''Master of Doom'' by Creator/MarkMillar & Bryan Hitch, is a minor ArcVillain of the Fantastic Four, but handily makes his mark as one of the most monstrous individuals across Marvel Comics. Originally one version of the brain-damaged Clyde Wyncham on an alternate Earth, the Marquis discovered his love of slaughter after murdering dozens of heroes and villains when his mind was fully returned to him, and became dedicated to [[OmnicidalManiac killing as many things as possible]]. First massacring every single one of the 7 billion people on his own Earth, the Marquis spent the next billion years traveling to various Earths then slowly exterminating all life on each and every one, always drawing out the deaths of heroes and forcing them into {{sadistic choice}}s for his own sick amusement. Through this, the Marquis annihilates millions of universes and amasses an unfathomable body count before finally showing up on the 616 Earth, where he annihilates all of Latveria before viciously executing his loyal servant ComicBook/DoctorDoom for going too slow in destroying 616's heroes. The Marquis goes on to torment the Fantastic Four with the millions of versions of their loves loved ones he has murdered, then tries to manipulate Mr. Fantastic into compromising his morality for the life of his universe, after which he attempts to simply kill this Earth as well then continue his dimension-wide omnicide spree. His power surpassed only by his sadism and evil, the Marquis of Death has one of the most horrifying body counts across all media, and handily sticks out as the most evil Fantastic Four villain.
6th Aug '17 1:27:43 PM JulianLapostat
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** Reed and Sue especially get hit with this. Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm were the BreakoutCharacter of the four having both unique personalities and awesome designs (the Human Torch is all fire while the Thing is all Rock) whereas Reed's original personality was a StandardFiftiesFather complete with dated sexism, with Sue treated as the WetBlanketWife and pre-women's lib stay-at-home TeamMom rather than a career woman, and despite being a rare woman with superpowers in her time never quite became as popular as ComicBook/JeanGrey. Their visual designs -- Reed being a stretchy-guy and Susan turning Invisible -- is not exactly eye-catching. Later writers have tried to balance the pair and made Susan more powerful and important but rarely a consistent set of personal features and the GrandfatherClause nature of the Four means that the dynamic never strays too far from how the characters were originally conceived. This also accounts in part for the AdaptationDecay since usually Johnny and Ben translate as they are, but Reed and Sue are often altered or given AdaptationAngstUpgrade.

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** Reed and Sue especially get hit with this. Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm were the BreakoutCharacter of the four having both unique personalities and awesome designs (the Human Torch is all fire while the Thing is all Rock) whereas Reed's original personality was a StandardFiftiesFather complete with dated sexism, with Sue treated as the WetBlanketWife and pre-women's lib stay-at-home TeamMom rather than a career woman, and despite being a rare woman with superpowers in her time never quite became as popular as ComicBook/JeanGrey. Their visual designs -- Reed being a stretchy-guy and Susan turning Invisible -- is not exactly eye-catching. Later writers have tried to balance the pair and made Susan more powerful and important but rarely a consistent set of personal features and the GrandfatherClause nature of the Four means that the dynamic never strays too far from how the characters were originally conceived. This also accounts in part for the AdaptationDecay since usually Johnny and Ben translate as they are, but Reed and Sue are often altered or given AdaptationAngstUpgrade.AdaptationalAngstUpgrade.
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