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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?]]
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into their stolen TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?]]
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* TearJerker: The Doctor's WarIsHell speech doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know on the Time War or how it affected the Doctor, but Capaldi's terrific acting more than makes up for it.
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a [[Monster.{{Whoniverse}} monster]] responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a [[FreudianExcuse desperate backstory]] to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a [[Monster.{{Whoniverse}} monster]] responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a [[FreudianExcuse desperate backstory]] to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?
wrong?]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a [[Monster.{{Whoniverse}} monster]] responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a [[FreudianExcuse desperate backstory]] to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a [[Monster.{{Whoniverse}} monster]] responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a [[FreudianExcuse desperate backstory]] to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later in "Face the Raven", [[spoiler: Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
head!]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty everend?end?]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever
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** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
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** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster [[Monster.{{Whoniverse}} monster]] responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a [[FreudianExcuse desperate backstory backstory]] to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?]]
wrong?
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent"[[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent"
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*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later [[spoiler: in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!]]
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*** "Hell Bent" reveals that[[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]end?
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Perhaps a meta one, but Capaldi's acting during the Doctor's speech to Kate and Bonnie deserves to be mentioned. There are good chances you would have already shed some tears when he first mentions [[WarIsHell the deaths of children]], and then he actually mentions his actions in the Time War (this bit is quoted in the recap page). Bonnie would have needed to be a Dalek for it not to work.
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Perhaps a meta one, but Capaldi's acting during the Doctor's speech to Kate and Bonnie deserves to be mentioned. There are good chances you would have already shed some tears when he first mentions [[WarIsHell the deaths of children]], and then he actually mentions his actions in the Time War (this bit is quoted in the recap page). Bonnie would have needed to be a Dalek for it not to work.
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later [[spoiler: in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later [[spoiler: in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
head!]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that [[spoiler: while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?]]
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.
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** "Face the Raven" two episodes later [[spoiler: adds more fuel to that fire: When Ashildr betrays the Doctor and unintentionally has a hand in Clara's death in the process, the Doctor first threatens to destroy her, the trap street, ''and'' the innocent alien refugees within it if she can't save Clara, and though Clara talks him down he notably never forgives Ashildr onscreen in that episode or in "Hell Bent", in which their paths cross again (though he does let her follow him into TARDIS 2.0 rather than letting her die with the universe). Why does he forgive a mass-murdering terrorist and not a woman who was trying to protect alien refugees in a plan that went horribly wrong?
wrong?]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
** For that matter, in "Hell Bent" [[spoiler: he does not forgive Rassilon and his underlings, the architects of the Last Great Time War who turned out to be the unknown party that Ashildr captured him for and thus indirectly responsible for Clara's death and directly responsible for his recent torture. Moreover, he bloodlessly overthrows them (thanks to his Time War reputation) and banishes them, or at least Rassilon, to wherever they can find a home -- and all of this turns out to be a way of getting access to the means to ''hopefully'' bring Clara Oswald back from the dead. (He does get chewed out by Ohila and the General over this.) Does this negate his sentiments in his speech or not? Keep in mind that the Doctor is TheMentallyDisturbed in "Hell Bent" and not his usual self. Moreover, given that Rassilon is a monster responsible for much much much more horror and death than Bonnie and who doesn't even have a desperate backstory to give context to his actions (the way, say, Davros or the Master do) the Doctor may have a point in making him an exception to forgiveness, especially when he could have easily slain him instead of exiling him and no one would have shed a tear.]]
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever end?
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later [[spoiler: in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty everend?end?]]
*** "Hell Bent" reveals that while he can forgive Bonnie and others like her due to his experiences in the Last Great Time War, he apparently cannot forgive and forget Rassilon and his underlings' dirty deeds as its architects, choosing to exile them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them. Moreover, he chooses to flee Gallifrey rather than stay as its new leader as part of his plot to save Clara -- AndThenWhat would happen when he created a power vacuum apparently never occurred to him. Will the Time Lords' cycle of cruelty ever
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Woah, the Doctor just said his real name, his ''actual'' name! [[BlatantLies Except this is the guy who lies about everything, including his name, so his credibility is bupkes.]] Although, that doesn't necessarily disqualify this name, since nothing was said or done to completely disprove it into oblivion. For all we know, it ''could'' be his real name...
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Woah, the Doctor just said his real name, his ''actual'' name! [[BlatantLies Except this is the guy who lies about everything, including his name, so his credibility is bupkes.]] Although, that doesn't necessarily disqualify this name, since nothing was said or done to completely disprove it into oblivion. [[RefugeInAudacity For all we know, know,]] it ''could'' be his real name...
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
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*** The Doctor noting to Bonnie that Clara Oswald "doesn't leave" one's head, and his admitting to Clara that the few hours he thought Clara was dead was the longest ''month'' of his life: "I'll be the judge of time." Two episodes later in "Face the Raven", Clara is KilledOffForReal and from there "Heaven Sent"/"Hell Bent" sees the Doctor DrivenToMadness and turned into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in a desperate effort to undo this event...which culminates in him losing many of his memories of Clara, the ones that made him love her in the first place. Yet he does not forget her existence or how she shaped him as a person ''entirely'' -- so it could also be seen as HeartwarmingInHindsight, because he's right about her never leaving his head!
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Woah, the Doctor just said his real name, his ''actual'' name! [[BlatantLies Except this is the guy who lies about everything, including his name, so his credibility is bupkes.]] Although, that doesn't necessarily disqualify this name, since nothing was said or done to completely disprove it into oblivion. For all we know, it ''could'' be his real name...
