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* ObviousBeta: The section on Fahook's plane. The inexplicable scene of the prisoners Jack just rescued trying to kill him, Fahook running around shirtless with incredibly glitchy animation, your clearly being meant to end the fight with him with some kind of special move that doesn't seem to exist (luckily, shooting him works too), and having a 50/50 chance of Jack getting stuck running into the cockpit doorframe after the cutscene there.
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* CatharsisFactor: In the final chapter of ''Retribution'' -- specifically in the penultimate [[spoiler:assault on the GAC base]] -- Jack discovers [[spoiler:a free [[BossInMooksClothing GAC Tank]] suit]] and [[EleventhHourSuperpower gets to go to town with it]]. After spending most of the game needing to GunFu your way through countless mooks ([[spoiler:and no doubt going through long cover-shooting sections to take down Tanks in specific]]), being able to [[MoreDakka dakka]] and [[StuffBlowingUp explode through hordes of mooks at once]] with little regard for your safety provides one hell of a rush.
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** Poor Jack never really gets his dignity back when he has Fahook [[JustForPun dead to rights]] with a gun to the back of his head in the first game -- only to get backhanded [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] and dropping him in seconds in a hilariously infamous case of CutsceneIncompetence.
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** Poor Jack never really gets his dignity back when he has Fahook [[JustForPun [[{{Pun}} dead to rights]] with a gun to the back of his head in the first game -- only to get backhanded [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] and dropping him in seconds in a hilariously infamous case of CutsceneIncompetence.
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* CameraScrew: The camera in the original game tends to point at the least useful position after a cutscene, especially bad when said cutscene is immediately followed by a shooting segment.
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*** Averted, the [=PlayStation 2=] version of the game, despite being released months after the Xbox version and had all content that also in the [=GameCube=] and PC versions, was actually developed first. Namco ported the game to the Xbox due to the deal with Creator/{{Microsoft}}, downgrading some of the content that appeared in the [=PlayStation 2=], [-GameCube=], and PC versions in order to push Xbox to its limits, and released first as timed-exclusive.
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*** Averted, the [=PlayStation 2=] version of the game, despite being released months after the Xbox version and had all content that also in the [=GameCube=] and PC versions, was actually developed first. Namco ported the game to the Xbox due to the deal with Creator/{{Microsoft}}, downgrading some of the content that appeared in the [=PlayStation 2=], [-GameCube=], [=GameCube=], and PC versions in order to push Xbox to its limits, and released first as timed-exclusive.
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** The [=PS2=] and GC versions of the game are give and take. It has more to work with in the options menu (you can invert the looking camera and change to widescreen mode) and is more refined in general, with the melee combat being tweaked, three difficulty levels instead of one, and adding some item pickups along with bugfixes and other quality-of-life tweaks. Where it gets fuzzy (as in [=YMMV=] on whether or not it's a good change or not) is the fact that several things are flat-out removed, such as minibosses, gameplay challenges, and even some of Jack's quips.
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** The [=PS2=] and GC versions Xbox version of the game are is give and take. It had pixel shading for the characters in the game, 16:9 anamorphic wide screen support, and Dolby Digital sound support to make use of the Xbox's unique capabilities.
*** Averted, the [=PlayStation 2=] version of the game, despite being released months after the Xbox version and had all content that also in the [=GameCube=] and PC versions, was actually developed first. Namco ported the game to the Xbox due to the deal with Creator/{{Microsoft}}, downgrading some of the content that appeared in the [=PlayStation 2=], [-GameCube=], and PC versions in order to push Xbox to its limits, and released first as timed-exclusive.
** The [=GameCube=] version. Like the [=PlayStation 2=] and PC versions has more to work with in the options menu (you can invert the looking camera and change to widescreen mode) and is more refined in general, with the melee combat being tweaked, three difficulty levels instead of one, and adding some item pickups along with bugfixes and other quality-of-life tweaks. Where it gets fuzzy (as in [=YMMV=] on whether or not it's a good change or not) is the fact that several things are flat-out removed, such as minibosses, gameplay challenges, and even some of Jack's quips.
*** Averted, the [=PlayStation 2=] version of the game, despite being released months after the Xbox version and had all content that also in the [=GameCube=] and PC versions, was actually developed first. Namco ported the game to the Xbox due to the deal with Creator/{{Microsoft}}, downgrading some of the content that appeared in the [=PlayStation 2=], [-GameCube=], and PC versions in order to push Xbox to its limits, and released first as timed-exclusive.
** The [=GameCube=] version. Like the [=PlayStation 2=] and PC versions has more to work with in the options menu (you can invert the looking camera and change to widescreen mode) and is more refined in general, with the melee combat being tweaked, three difficulty levels instead of one, and adding some item pickups along with bugfixes and other quality-of-life tweaks. Where it gets fuzzy (as in [=YMMV=] on whether or not it's a good change or not) is the fact that several things are flat-out removed, such as minibosses, gameplay challenges, and even some of Jack's quips.
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* FridgeHorror: Jack Slate being supposedly one of the few honest cops in Grant City while being a merciless OneManArmy during gameplay could be chalked off as GameplayAndStorySegregation at best or InformedAttribute at worst. However it also could mean that Grant City is such a [[WretchedHive cesspit of crime]] and it's police force is so corrupt, that a brutal AntiHero such as [[ALighterShadeOfBlack Jack]] is by [[OnlySaneByComparison comparison]] a model cop.
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* OneSceneWonder: Longshoreman X gets no lines and only appears for one boss fight in the first game, but still manages to be popular just because of [[AwesomeMcCoolName his inexplicably badass name]].
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* OneSceneWonder: Longshoreman X gets no lines and only appears for one boss fight in the first game, but still manages to be popular just because of [[AwesomeMcCoolName his inexplicably badass name]].name.
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* MagnificentBastard:
** Original Game:
*** [[MayorPain William T. Pinnacle III]] is the corrupt, [[CigarChomper cigar-chomping]] mayor of Grant City. Running for reelection against Gloria Exner, Pinnacle uses his campaign promises to hide his illegal underground gold smuggling operation, getting the Iron Point Penitentiary prisoners to mine the gold for him in secrecy. Getting [[PlayerCharacter Jack Slate]] on his side by promising to pardon him of his supposed murder should he retrieve Hennessey’s incriminating files, Pinnacle forces Gloria to kill Jack by threatening to murder her, only to have her killed by Jack's supposed friend Hildy. Killing Hildy after she hands over the files and hoping to frame her as the mastermind behind Gloria's death, Pinnacle also proves himself a [[ActionPolitician powerhouse of a politician]], able to shrug off Jack's attacks with ease, and dies joking how Jack will never be pardoned for his crimes.
*** Patch is a leader of Mayhem, Inc. A [[ManOfWealthAndTaste smartly dressed]], dapper and intelligent assassin who frames Jack for the murder of mobster Auggie Blatz by luring Jack into a trap, Patch shoots him non-fatally, before using his gun to execute Blatz. Later blindsiding Jack and killing his ally Eve, Patch is almost able to successfully assassinate a mayoral candidate before engaging Jack in a final battle.
*** Prentiss "Preacherman" Jones is an inmate preacher at Iron Point Penitentiary who was framed for selling drugs. Having the utmost respect for Frank Slate, upon news of his demise, Jones does what he can to help his son Jack escape prison to avenge Frank's death. Getting Jack to acquire some battery acid and an escape map, moments before Jack's execution in the electric chair, Jones sneakily uses the acid and a hidden razor blade to break Jack free, afterwards taking advantage of a staged power outage to kill warden Sickle.
** ''Retribution'' ContinuityReboot:
*** [[IntellectualAnimal Shadow]], Jack Slate's trusty CanineCompanion, is far more clever and bloodthirsty than his original counterpart. A surprisingly tactical animal, Shadow uses stealth to carry out tasks for the Slate family, whether it be using his barks to lure goons to their demise, or sneaking up from behind and brutally murdering them. [[UndyingLoyalty Dedicated to protecting Jack at all costs]], Shadow successfully assists his master in the takedown of Redwater and G.A.C.
*** [[BigBad Captain Redwater]] is a well-respected officer who secretly created G.A.C. with hopes of turning Grant City into a PoliceState. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Genuinely seeking to clean up crime]], Redwater kills his friend Frank Slate to cover up his plans, partnering with Julian Temple to get G.A.C. legalized by allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen under his watch in order to justify their deployment. Killing his partner Riggs after Jack reveals his plan to betray him, Redwater uses Temple's arrest by Jack to declare martial law, imprisoning his fellow officers with hopes of taking over the entire city with his army of G.A.C. troops.
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*** [[MayorPain William T. Pinnacle III]] is the corrupt, [[CigarChomper cigar-chomping]] mayor of Grant City. Running for reelection against Gloria Exner, Pinnacle uses his campaign promises to hide his illegal underground gold smuggling operation, getting the Iron Point Penitentiary prisoners to mine the gold for him in secrecy. Getting [[PlayerCharacter Jack Slate]] on his side by promising to pardon him of his supposed murder should he retrieve Hennessey’s incriminating files, Pinnacle forces Gloria to kill Jack by threatening to murder her, only to have her killed by Jack's supposed friend Hildy. Killing Hildy after she hands over the files and hoping to frame her as the mastermind behind Gloria's death, Pinnacle also proves himself a [[ActionPolitician powerhouse of a politician]], able to shrug off Jack's attacks with ease, and dies joking how Jack will never be pardoned for his crimes.
*** Patch is a leader of Mayhem, Inc. A [[ManOfWealthAndTaste smartly dressed]], dapper and intelligent assassin who frames Jack for the murder of mobster Auggie Blatz by luring Jack into a trap, Patch shoots him non-fatally, before using his gun to execute Blatz. Later blindsiding Jack and killing his ally Eve, Patch is almost able to successfully assassinate a mayoral candidate before engaging Jack in a final battle.
*** Prentiss "Preacherman" Jones is an inmate preacher at Iron Point Penitentiary who was framed for selling drugs. Having the utmost respect for Frank Slate, upon news of his demise, Jones does what he can to help his son Jack escape prison to avenge Frank's death. Getting Jack to acquire some battery acid and an escape map, moments before Jack's execution in the electric chair, Jones sneakily uses the acid and a hidden razor blade to break Jack free, afterwards taking advantage of a staged power outage to kill warden Sickle.
** ''Retribution'' ContinuityReboot:
*** [[IntellectualAnimal Shadow]], Jack Slate's trusty CanineCompanion, is far more clever and bloodthirsty than his original counterpart. A surprisingly tactical animal, Shadow uses stealth to carry out tasks for the Slate family, whether it be using his barks to lure goons to their demise, or sneaking up from behind and brutally murdering them. [[UndyingLoyalty Dedicated to protecting Jack at all costs]], Shadow successfully assists his master in the takedown of Redwater and G.A.C.
*** [[BigBad Captain Redwater]] is a well-respected officer who secretly created G.A.C. with hopes of turning Grant City into a PoliceState. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Genuinely seeking to clean up crime]], Redwater kills his friend Frank Slate to cover up his plans, partnering with Julian Temple to get G.A.C. legalized by allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen under his watch in order to justify their deployment. Killing his partner Riggs after Jack reveals his plan to betray him, Redwater uses Temple's arrest by Jack to declare martial law, imprisoning his fellow officers with hopes of taking over the entire city with his army of G.A.C. troops.
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** The sequel's bad writing and ExcusePlot in general makes basically any cutscene an exercise in busting a gut. Jack's one-liners transform into a borderline NonSequitur, everyone either poorly acts or overacts the hell out of their lines, never mind the animation somehow getting even more awkward despite the better graphics.
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** The sequel's bad writing and ExcusePlot in general makes basically any cutscene an exercise in busting a gut. Jack's one-liners transform into a borderline NonSequitur, and almost everyone either poorly acts or overacts the hell out of their lines, never mind the animation somehow getting even more awkward despite the better graphics.graphics. Of course, some of that cheese is SoBadItsGood and lands firmly in NarmCharm territory.
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** Poor Jack never really gets his dignity back when he has Fahook [[JustForPun dead to rights]] with a gun to the back of his head in the first game -- only to get backhanded [[GroinAttack in the nuts]] and dropping him in seconds in a hilariously infamous case of CutsceneIncompetence.
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* {{Narm}}: The various [[BondOneLiner one-liners]] Jack Slate dishes out are pretty hit-or-miss, but probably the biggest instance of it falling hilariously flat is right after his boss fight with Diggs, where after he finally collapses in defeat:
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** The various [[BondOneLiner one-liners]] Jack Slate dishes out are pretty hit-or-miss, but probably the biggest instance of it falling hilariously flat is right after his boss fight with Diggs, where after he finally collapses in defeat:
** The various [[BondOneLiner one-liners]] Jack Slate dishes out are pretty hit-or-miss, but probably the biggest instance of it falling hilariously flat is right after his boss fight with Diggs, where after he finally collapses in defeat:
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** The sequel's bad writing and ExcusePlot in general makes basically any cutscene an exercise in busting a gut. Jack's one-liners transform into a borderline NonSequitur, everyone either poorly acts or overacts the hell out of their lines, never mind the animation somehow getting even more awkward despite the better graphics.
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** First Game: [[ADickInName Dick Hennessey]] is Grant City's [[DirtyCop corrupt police chief]] and head of the department's anti-crime unit G.A.C. Hennessey uses blackmail to hold all of Grant City under his thumb, allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen as long as he gets to instill his own brutal brand of justice. Hoping to use [[MayorPain Mayor Pinnacle]]'s illegal gold smuggling ring to buy his way into power, Hennessey [[YouKilledMyFather kills Frank Slate]] for coming close to uncovering the operation, having his son [[PlayerCharacter Jack]] framed for killing gangster Augie Blatz and putting him on death row. With mayoral candidate Gloria Exner hoping to dismantle G.A.C., Hennessey attempts to have a conference building blown up to kill her, later having the hotel she's staying at set aflame with hopes of killing everybody inside.
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** First Game: game: [[ADickInName Dick Hennessey]] is Grant City's [[DirtyCop corrupt police chief]] and head of the department's anti-crime unit G.A.C. Hennessey uses blackmail to hold all of Grant City under his thumb, allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen as long as he gets to instill his own brutal brand of justice. Hoping to use [[MayorPain Mayor Pinnacle]]'s illegal gold smuggling ring to buy his way into power, Hennessey [[YouKilledMyFather kills Frank Slate]] for coming close to uncovering the operation, having his son [[PlayerCharacter Jack]] framed for killing gangster Augie Blatz and putting him on death row. With mayoral candidate Gloria Exner hoping to dismantle G.A.C., Hennessey attempts to have a conference building blown up to kill her, later having the hotel she's staying at set aflame with hopes of killing everybody inside.
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** First Game: [[ADickInName Dick Hennessey]] is Grant City's [[DirtyCop corrupt police chief]] and head of the department's anti-crime unit G.A.C. Hennessey uses blackmail to hold all of Grant City under his thumb, allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen as long as he gets to instill his own brutal brand of justice. Hoping to use [[MayorPain Mayor Pinnacle]]'s illegal gold smuggling ring to buy his way into power, Hennessey [[YouKilledMyFather kills Frank Slate]] for coming close to uncovering the operation, having his son [[PlayerCharacter Jack]] framed for killing gangster Augie Blatz and putting him on death row. With mayoral candidate Gloria Exner hoping to dismantle G.A.C., Hennessey attempts to have a conference building blown up to kill her, later having the hotel she's staying at set aflame with hopes of killing everybody inside.
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*** [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Julian Temple]], owner of the Temple Network, is a cowardly media mogul who [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist wants to be seen as Grant City's savior to satisfy his ego]]. Funding [[WellIntentionedExtremist Redwater]]'s G.A.C. troops in private, Temple hires the villainous Riggs to spread chaos across Grant City in order to justify G.A.C.'s legalization, uncaring that it'll mean turning the city into a PoliceState. Allowing Riggs to launch a raid on his own tower and kill plenty of hostages, as well as attempting to destroy Grant Central Station, Temple hopes to have Redwater killed when all's said and done.
*** [[PsychoForHire Riggs]] is a [[PsychopathicManchild childish psychopath]] working with Temple to spread chaos throughout Grant City. [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulating]] and militarizing the Union gang into helping him raid Temple Tower, Riggs kills several hostages and [[CopKiller cops]] by sadistically dropping them to their deaths, while also partnering with the Triads to organize the destruction of Grant Central Station. Riggs also signs up to be a G.A.C. troop, killing some Union members upon G.A.C.'s legalization, while hoping to kill Redwater under Temple's orders.
*** [[AxCrazy Tseng]] is a crazed [[TheTriadsAndTheTongs Triad]] mobster who likes to snort cocaine and murder people. With a fondness for [[TongueTrauma cutting out tongues]], Jack instantly identifies a group of tongueless bodies as his work. [[BadBoss Gleefully killing his own men]] for nothing, Tseng opts to spread chaos and excitement by sending a train packed with explosives to Grand Central Station, which is also packed with explosives, to kill countless innocent people.
** First Game: [[ADickInName Dick Hennessey]] is Grant City's [[DirtyCop corrupt police chief]] and head of the department's anti-crime unit G.A.C. Hennessey uses blackmail to hold all of Grant City under his thumb, allowing all kinds of criminal activity to happen as long as he gets to instill his own brutal brand of justice. Hoping to use [[MayorPain Mayor Pinnacle]]'s illegal gold smuggling ring to buy his way into power, Hennessey [[YouKilledMyFather kills Frank Slate]] for coming close to uncovering the operation, having his son [[PlayerCharacter Jack]] framed for killing gangster Augie Blatz and putting him on death row. With mayoral candidate Gloria Exner hoping to dismantle G.A.C., Hennessey attempts to have a conference building blown up to kill her, later having the hotel she's staying at set aflame with hopes of killing everybody inside.
** ''Retribution'' ContinuityReboot:
*** [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Julian Temple]], owner of the Temple Network, is a cowardly media mogul who [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist wants to be seen as Grant City's savior to satisfy his ego]]. Funding [[WellIntentionedExtremist Redwater]]'s G.A.C. troops in private, Temple hires the villainous Riggs to spread chaos across Grant City in order to justify G.A.C.'s legalization, uncaring that it'll mean turning the city into a PoliceState. Allowing Riggs to launch a raid on his own tower and kill plenty of hostages, as well as attempting to destroy Grant Central Station, Temple hopes to have Redwater killed when all's said and done.
*** [[PsychoForHire Riggs]] is a [[PsychopathicManchild childish psychopath]] working with Temple to spread chaos throughout Grant City. [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulating]] and militarizing the Union gang into helping him raid Temple Tower, Riggs kills several hostages and [[CopKiller cops]] by sadistically dropping them to their deaths, while also partnering with the Triads to organize the destruction of Grant Central Station. Riggs also signs up to be a G.A.C. troop, killing some Union members upon G.A.C.'s legalization, while hoping to kill Redwater under Temple's orders.
*** [[AxCrazy Tseng]] is a crazed [[TheTriadsAndTheTongs Triad]] mobster who likes to snort cocaine and murder people. With a fondness for [[TongueTrauma cutting out tongues]], Jack instantly identifies a group of tongueless bodies as his work. [[BadBoss Gleefully killing his own men]] for nothing, Tseng opts to spread chaos and excitement by sending a train packed with explosives to Grand Central Station, which is also packed with explosives, to kill countless innocent people.
