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  • Best Known for the Obscenity: If an English reader knows one thing about this poem, it's almost certain to be the still quite shockingly obscene threat that opens and closes it. It's also Catullus' most famous poem by some margin.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: Despite (or possibly because of) the Values Dissonance to modern audiences, it still can come across as quite funny. For those who know a bit of the language, the fact that Latin obscenity was quite a bit more... precise about sexual acts than English obscenity is can add to the humour.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Or possibly Canon Discontinuity. Some critics and translators argue that lines 7-14 are spurious additions. For example, translator C. H. Sisson writes of them,
    "The poem is better without them. In the shorter version, Catullus is making a point (as always): the additional lines are probably spurious. It is unlike Catullus to exalt the pornographic quality of what he wrote; his mind was too much on his subject."
  • Values Dissonance: Threatening, in verse, to rape your critics used to be common enough in Ancient Roman invective poetry... nowadays, it's a bit shocking. (For whatever it's worth, a fairly common interpretation is that Catullus doesn't mean the threats seriously and is simply using them to make a rhetorical point, though they can still be quite shocking.)
  • Woolseyism: As seen in the quote on the main article, Peter Green's use of "Up yours both, and sucks to the pair of you" is a fairly good way to convey the meaning of "Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo" without needing to be censored.


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