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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Plat has some angst about being the LastOfHisKind and tries to hold out hope he is wrong, but he never gets to find out that there are other survivors of Polneye who are enslaved, held hostage, and eventually escape.
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* {{Padding}}: A lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship. The Lando plot particularly is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia: [[spoiler:the uprising of the Yevethas' Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanassi end up doing]]. Otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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* {{Padding}}: A lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship. The Lando plot particularly is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia: [[spoiler:the uprising of the Yevethas' Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanassi end up doing]]. Otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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* {{Padding}}: A lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship. The Lando plot particularly is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia: [[spoiler:the uprising of the Yevethas' Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanassi end up doing]]. Otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship. The Lando plot particularly is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia: [[spoiler:the uprising of the Yevethas' Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanassi end up doing]]. Otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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** Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
** Senator Peramis and his desire to de-militarize the Republic becomes this due to the new Disney canon timeline, in which such policies were ''actually implemented'' in the New Republic, with the Imperial Remnant following suit after signing a treaty with them. This proves to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero utterly disastrous]] as the First Order, composed of Imperials hiding in the Unknown Regions who did not abide by said treaty, were able to establish utter military dominance and even destroy the Republic capital with a devastating system-killing superweapon, and only Leia's rag-tag Resistance is able or willing to put up any sort of real fight.
** Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
** Senator Peramis and his desire to de-militarize the Republic becomes this due to the new Disney canon timeline, in which such policies were ''actually implemented'' in the New Republic, with the Imperial Remnant following suit after signing a treaty with them. This proves to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero utterly disastrous]] as the First Order, composed of Imperials hiding in the Unknown Regions who did not abide by said treaty, were able to establish utter military dominance and even destroy the Republic capital with a devastating system-killing superweapon, and only Leia's rag-tag Resistance is able or willing to put up any sort of real fight.
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** Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse. He enslaved the Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
** Also, almost every single thing the Yevetha do. If you had to pick a single point, the multi-planet genocide at the end of ''Before the Storm'' would be a good start.
** Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse. He enslaved the Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
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** Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse. He enslaved the Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
** Also, almost every single thing the Yevetha do. If you had to pick a single point, theMoralEventHorizon: The Yevetha's multi-planet genocide at the end of ''Before the Storm'' would be a good start.Storm''.
** Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse. He enslaved the Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
** Also, almost every single thing the Yevetha do. If you had to pick a single point, the
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** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
** Senator Peramis comes from a world that suffered greatly under the Empire and thinks the New Republic is slowly becoming the Empire's equivalent by arming itself. His blind adherence to keeping the New Republic lightly armed and out of any conflict leads him to being manipulated by Nil Spaar into blocking Leia's every attempt to put a stop to the Yevethan-led genocidal war. When his opinion ends up being ignored, he [[MoralEventHorizon crosses the line]] by actively aiding in the aforementioned kidnapping of Han Solo (to stop Solo from taking command of the fleet sent to stop the Yevetha).
** Leia herself makes a slew of bad decisions in the first two books.
** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
** Senator Peramis comes from a world that suffered greatly under the Empire and thinks the New Republic is slowly becoming the Empire's equivalent by arming itself. His blind adherence to keeping the New Republic lightly armed and out of any conflict leads him to being manipulated by Nil Spaar into blocking Leia's every attempt to put a stop to the Yevethan-led genocidal war. When his opinion ends up being ignored, he [[MoralEventHorizon crosses the line]] by actively aiding in the aforementioned kidnapping of Han Solo (to stop Solo from taking command of the fleet sent to stop the Yevetha).
** Leia herself makes a slew of bad decisions in the first two books.
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[Film/TheForceAwakens Despite being in a different continuity]], Han's line early in the book about him not being surprised that Luke wouldn't be found on a deserted island in the middle of nowhere after his disappearance.Go [[HarsherInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
** Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Later the Yuuzhan Vong [[EvilerThanThou exterminate them in an unseen invasion]] in exchange for one group of planets the Yevetha threatened during the war capitulating without a fight.Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].
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** These books introduced several concepts that made their way into books set chronologically earlier, such as the Recon X-wing or 'snoopscoot' which was then used in the ComicBook/XWingSeries. Literature/XWingSeries.
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** Senator Peramis and his desire to de-militarize the Republic becomes this due to the new Disney canon timeline, in which such policies were ''actually implemented'' in the New Republic, with the Imperial Remnant following suit after signing a treaty with them. This proves to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero utterly disastrous]] as the First Order, composed of Imperials hiding in the Unknown Regions who did not abide by said treaty, were able to establish utter military dominance and even destroy the Republic capital with a devastating system-killing superweapon, and only Leias rag-tag Resistance is able or willing to put up any sort of real fight.
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** Senator Peramis and his desire to de-militarize the Republic becomes this due to the new Disney canon timeline, in which such policies were ''actually implemented'' in the New Republic, with the Imperial Remnant following suit after signing a treaty with them. This proves to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero utterly disastrous]] as the First Order, composed of Imperials hiding in the Unknown Regions who did not abide by said treaty, were able to establish utter military dominance and even destroy the Republic capital with a devastating system-killing superweapon, and only Leias Leia's rag-tag Resistance is able or willing to put up any sort of real fight.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler [[spoiler: Luke's mother is dead]]]], dead]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
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** Senator Peramis and his desire to de-militarize the Republic becomes this due to the new Disney canon timeline, in which such policies were ''actually implemented'' in the New Republic, with the Imperial Remnant following suit after signing a treaty with them. This proves to be [[NiceJobBreakingItHero utterly disastrous]] as the First Order, composed of Imperials hiding in the Unknown Regions who did not abide by said treaty, were able to establish utter military dominance and even destroy the Republic capital with a devastating system-killing superweapon, and only Leias rag-tag Resistance is able or willing to put up any sort of real fight.
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[Film/TheForceAwakens Despite being in a different continuity]], Han's line early in the book about him not being surprised that Luke wouldn't be found on a deserted island in the middle of nowhere after his disappearance.
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** Also, despite the {{Take That}}s directed at this series in ''HandOfThrawn'', Creator/TimothyZahn borrowed the aforementioned human-shields-protecting-warships thing for the [[PlanetLooters Vagaari]] in ''Literature/OutboundFlight''.
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** Also, despite the {{Take That}}s directed at this series in ''HandOfThrawn'', ''Literature/HandOfThrawn'', Creator/TimothyZahn borrowed the aforementioned human-shields-protecting-warships thing for the [[PlanetLooters Vagaari]] in ''Literature/OutboundFlight''.
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%% Nil Spaar is disqualified for Complete Monster status by the Even Evil Has Loved Ones Entry on the main page. As it was said in the subpage cleanup thread, he's a 99.999% monster, but it's that last 0.001% that's the problem.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief.grief; ''if'' he wasn't already [[DeusExitMachina "recruited" by Lando]] on ''his'' own wild bantha chase and thus out of contact.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his quest is completely for nothing. Worse yet: R2-D2 ''knows it is'' and could have saved Luke a lot of grief.
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* CompleteMonster: Nil Spaar. ColdBloodedTorture? Check. Multiple genocides? Check. Using civilian prisoners as human shields for his warships? Check.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong [[EvilerThanThou exterminate them in an unseen invasion]] in exchange for one group of planets the Yevetha threatened during the war capitulating without a fight.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is dead]]]], and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong [[EvilerThanThou exterminate them in an unseen invasion]] in exchange for one group of planets the Yevetha threatened during the war capitulating without a fight.
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** Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse. He enslaved the entire Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
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** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and even has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
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** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and even has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
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* CompleteMonster: Nil Spaar.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that Luke's mother is dead, and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong exterminate them in an unseen invasion in exchange for one group of planets capitulating without a fight.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that Luke's mother is dead, and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong exterminate them in an unseen invasion in exchange for one group of planets capitulating without a fight.
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* CompleteMonster: Nil Spaar.
Spaar. ColdBloodedTorture? Check. Multiple genocides? Check. Using civilian prisoners as human shields for his warships? Check.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother isdead, dead]]]], and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong [[EvilerThanThou exterminate them in an unseeninvasion invasion]] in exchange for one group of planets the Yevetha threatened during the war capitulating without a fight.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that [[spoiler:[[LateArrivalSpoiler Luke's mother is
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong [[EvilerThanThou exterminate them in an unseen
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** Tarkin Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin, who crossed it [[Film/ANewHope a long time ago]], just keeps getting worse and worse.worse. He enslaved the entire Yevetha species, which didn't do much for their narcissism or xenophobia.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: OlderThanTheyThink:
** These books introduced several concepts that made their way into books set chronologically earlier, such as the Recon X-wing or 'snoopscoot' which was then used in theXWingSeries. ComicBook/XWingSeries.
** Also, despite the {{Take That}}s directed at this series in ''HandOfThrawn'', Creator/TimothyZahn borrowed the aforementioned human-shields-protecting-warships thing for the [[PlanetLooters Vagaari]] in ''Literature/OutboundFlight''.
** These books introduced several concepts that made their way into books set chronologically earlier, such as the Recon X-wing or 'snoopscoot' which was then used in the
** Also, despite the {{Take That}}s directed at this series in ''HandOfThrawn'', Creator/TimothyZahn borrowed the aforementioned human-shields-protecting-warships thing for the [[PlanetLooters Vagaari]] in ''Literature/OutboundFlight''.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.\\
The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]]; otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]]; otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.\\
The Lando plot particularly is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Leia: [[spoiler:the uprising of the Yevethas' Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi Fallanassi end up doing]]; otherwise, doing]]. Otherwise, Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]]; otherwise, it could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]]; otherwise, it Lando's story could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]].
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]].doing]]; otherwise, it could've ended up as a single installment with the main ''Black Fleet'' series being a duology.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chewbacca's family from the ''Film/StarWarsHolidaySpecial'' gets ADayInTheLimelight, and a particularly badass one.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chewbacca's family from the ''Film/StarWarsHolidaySpecial'' ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'' gets ADayInTheLimelight, and [[BadassFamily a particularly badass one.one]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.
** The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]].
** Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.
** The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
**TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]].droids]]. It's just too bad that Luke's plot [[DeusExMachina provided the answer to Lando's plot]], while doing almost nothing for Leia [[spoiler:The Yevetha's Imperial prisoners do a ''lot'' more for her at the Battle of N'Zoth than the Fallanssi end up doing]].
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The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures.
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* CompleteMonster: Nil Spaar.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that Luke's mother is dead, and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong exterminate them in an unseen invasion in exchange for one group of planets capitulating without a fight.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Tarkin just keeps getting worse and worse.
** Also, almost every single thing the Yevetha do.
* OlderThanTheyThink: These books introduced several concepts that made their way into books set chronologically earlier, such as the Recon X-wing or 'snoopscoot' which was then used in the XWingSeries.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chewbacca's family from the ''Film/StarWarsHolidaySpecial'' gets ADayInTheLimelight, and a particularly badass one.
* {{Squick}}: [[{{Robosexual}} Sex droids]], but for Michael P. [=Kube-McDowell=], it's expected.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.
** The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]].
* WhatAnIdiot:
** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and even has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
** Senator Peramis comes from a world that suffered greatly under the Empire and thinks the New Republic is slowly becoming the Empire's equivalent by arming itself. His blind adherence to keeping the New Republic lightly armed and out of any conflict leads him to being manipulated by Nil Spaar into blocking Leia's every attempt to put a stop to the Yevethan-led genocidal war. When his opinion ends up being ignored, he [[MoralEventHorizon crosses the line]] by actively aiding in the aforementioned kidnapping of Han Solo (to stop Solo from taking command of the fleet sent to stop the Yevetha).
** Leia herself makes a slew of bad decisions in the first two books.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Anyone who tries to read the series now knows that Luke's mother is dead, and thus his entire quest is completely for nothing.
* HilariousInHindsight: The Yevetha, with their intense xenophobia and love of pain and bloody deaths, have their similarities to the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan Vong]]. Of course, later the Yuuzhan Vong exterminate them in an unseen invasion in exchange for one group of planets capitulating without a fight.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Tarkin just keeps getting worse and worse.
** Also, almost every single thing the Yevetha do.
* OlderThanTheyThink: These books introduced several concepts that made their way into books set chronologically earlier, such as the Recon X-wing or 'snoopscoot' which was then used in the XWingSeries.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Chewbacca's family from the ''Film/StarWarsHolidaySpecial'' gets ADayInTheLimelight, and a particularly badass one.
* {{Squick}}: [[{{Robosexual}} Sex droids]], but for Michael P. [=Kube-McDowell=], it's expected.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Weird inversion, as a lot of fans think this series would be one of the best in the EU if it had just left out the Luke subplot and Lando chasing that useless Qella ship.
** The Lando plot is [[BrokenBase the great divider]]. Practically everyone loves the Leia/Han plot and practically everyone hates the Luke plot. Meanwhile, half the fandom hates the Lando plot for being so irrelevant and barely touching the other two plots, and the other half loves it for being a throwback to the Lando trilogy of the 80's that largely featured him exploring strange ruins and lost cultures. It also gets a CallBack in the ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' series when Lando uses laminanium, the self-healing metal the ship was made from, for the armor on his [[MechaMook Yuuzhan Vong Hunter droids]].
* WhatAnIdiot:
** Nil Spaar is able to portray Leia as an aggressor and even has sympathizers in the New Republic senate trying to force her resignation. In spite of this, he manages to screw it up when he kidnaps and tortures Han Solo (who was sent to investigate him) and sends Leia a film of it, which she shows to the senate and completely destroys support for the Yevetha.
** Senator Peramis comes from a world that suffered greatly under the Empire and thinks the New Republic is slowly becoming the Empire's equivalent by arming itself. His blind adherence to keeping the New Republic lightly armed and out of any conflict leads him to being manipulated by Nil Spaar into blocking Leia's every attempt to put a stop to the Yevethan-led genocidal war. When his opinion ends up being ignored, he [[MoralEventHorizon crosses the line]] by actively aiding in the aforementioned kidnapping of Han Solo (to stop Solo from taking command of the fleet sent to stop the Yevetha).
** Leia herself makes a slew of bad decisions in the first two books.
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