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YMMV: Avengers vs. X-Men
aka: Avengers Vs X-Men
  • Acceptable Professional Targets: The villain in Consequences? The privatized prison system.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: When the Phoenix 5 were flying all over the world creating their "Pax Utopia" were they really trying to improve the world because improving the world is the ultimate goal of any hero, or were they just wanking off at themselves and their new power and taking advantage of the chance to take all their oppressors and effectively imprison them?
    • Did "Pax Utopia" ever stand a chance of truly being paradise or was it just a prison where the Phoenix 5 could subtly abuse every and anyone who had ever wronged them (remember, in the name of "peace" and supposedly encouraging humanity to "go and build great things" the Phoenix 5 destroyed all the worlds weapons, or as many as they could get their hands on, thus making it impossible for humanity to attack them)? After all, nice weather, plentiful food and maybe even health care aside, a prison by any other name is still a prison no matter how you dress it up.
    • Does being mind controlled by the Phoenix truly excuse Cyclops, Emma, Namor, Colossus and Magik for the questionable and in some cases just straight up horrible things they did?
  • Ascended Meme: Cyclops predicts the rise of the "Cyclops was right" meme in-verse.
  • Ass Pull: The "Anti-Telpathy" nano-machines Tony Stark creates and injects into all of the Avengers specifically so Emma Frost can't end the event in issue 2.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • By and large, this storyline was one for numerous critically panned creative decisions made under Joe Quesada's tenure as Editor-in-Chief. Among the elements thrown out were Wakanda as a Mary Suetopia, the Storm/Black Panther relationship, making Scarlet Witch crazy, and, at the very end, the Decimation of mutants. While AvX was (likely intentionally) polarizing, those stories were all reviled to a much greater degree.
    • Dan Slott (who has a flair for these) supplies a humorous one in the final issue of Vs. for a couple of the more ridiculous victories in prior issues. Turns out Squirrel Girl and Pixie, completely ignorant of the conflict, were playing an RPG with the Puppet Master's voodoo dolls. It's somewhat unclear whether this was intended to be canon, but more than a few fans accept it.
  • Broken Base: This event should have been titled "Avengers Fans vs. X-Men Fans".
    • Either you think the Avengers were assholes who came to San Francisco in bad faith ready to kidnap a kid for dubious reasons with no intentions of negotiating or you think that they were justified because the Phoenix is a giant threat, has been a threat in the past and they have to do anything necessary to stop it from potentially destroying everything.
    • Either you think that the portrayal of the Phoenix as a destructive entity is fine and in line with the most well-known Phoenix story (The Dark Phoenix Saga) or you feel like it's a flimsy premise that ignores 15-20 years of Rachel Summers' existence and her bonding with and complete control of the Phoenix Force (although this is YMMV, as Rachel largely controlled the Phoenix by never trying to access its full power, and even she did slip sometimes).
    • Either you think that the actions of the Phoenix Five are in line with the corrupting influence of Phoenix Force or that things are being wildly exaggerated for dramatic effect with the main group being written incredibly out of character.
    • Either you take it as given that the Phoenix Five made the world a utopia, or you take it as a given that they did so by quashing free will across the planet.
    • Either you think this story is the natural climax/ending of Cyclops' character arc since Messiah Complex or you feel that his Jerkass qualities have been taken over-the-top to justify the actions of the Avengers. If not, you either consider Cyclops a villain who's finally getting what he deserves, or you think he's basically a victim to the Avengers who's been pushed to the very end.
    • Either you think that Captain America was right in presume over Scott's mental condition, and his lack of open remorse is evident of his fall from grace, or you think he's a detached political sock puppet incapable of recognizing how Scott had been carrying on his shoulders a situation for years so impossible that if one, and only one of his friends dies in an attempt to stave off genocide, (of the usually hate induced variety), rather than say, a bus full of children, then it was in fact a very good day,and think Cap's reaction to his imprisonment are, at best, embarrassing. Just as embarrassing is the fact that Cyclops, in Smug Snake mode, was clearly goading Captain America into taking a swing at him.
    • Everything in the story and even the very existence of the story itself really is grounds for heated arguments. Which is probably the point, really, as the Avengers and X-Men have wildly different ideologies and themes that are often debated even when the characters themselves aren't punching each other.
  • Designated Hero:
    • The Avengers and anyone siding with them. To X-Men fans, they've spent the entire story acting like giant antagonistic jackasses and are essentially responsible for most of the bad things that happen (mainly by showing up, telling Cyclops they're taking the potential savior of his near extinct race and that's that; and again when Iron Man's "brilliant plan" causes the Phoenix Force to be split and create the Phoenix Five). Issue 11 pretty much pushes it over the top despite the fact the Avengers are, nominally, the heroes of the story. Acknowledged in the last issue, where Captain America realizes that the Avengers have been pretty crappy heroes when it comes to mutant affairs.
    • Wolverine specifically fell under this early on in the story, as his solution to dealing with the Phoenix was to outright kill the teenage girl who was the intended host before the Phoenix arrived, which went much farther than the Avengers merely wanting to take Hope off-world in the event that she was unable to control the Phoenix. However, he soon backed down from this line of thinking when he realised he couldn't go through with killing a child. In Consequences, Scott really lets Logan have it over this.
  • Designated Villain: Cyclops' X-Men, and later the Phoenix Five. At least, until they become corrupted by the Phoenix Force and start acting more like actual villains. Even then, Cyclops could still be a designated villain, as he only gets consumed by the Dark Phoenix after much poking and prodding by the Avengers and the X-Men. Until that point he kinda kept his sanity, at least compared to his teammates.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Cyclops is an Anti-Heroic example, particularly in Consequences where he displays that he knows how to play him some serious politics.
  • Memetic Mutation: Cyclops was right."
  • Moral Dissonance: In he end, the Phoenix Five are punished, with Cyclops being regarded as a war criminal. Never mind the fact that they were mind-controlled by the Phoenix and shouldn't be held responsible, but many of the people condemning them for their actions have also committed crimes while not themselves, but also Cap's behavior during the whole debacle is very similar to the way Tony Stark acted during Civil War, which Cap was violently against. Add in the fact that the whole mess and every time it escalated was directly the Avengers fault, making Cap, the Avengers, and the X-Men that sided with the Avengers come off as very hypocritical.
    • Of course, that also depends on whether or not you believe that being possessed by the Phoenix automatically excuses Jerkass behavior.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Emma has two possible moments thus far. In the Avengers Academy tie-in, she scraps Juston Seyfert's pet Sentinel, simply for being a Sentinel, while in issue 9 of the main series, she telepathically kills a man who had killed a mutant child thirty years ago in a hit and run, and kept it a secret.
    • The Avengers invade the sovereign nation of Utopia, take (almost) the entire mutant species prisoner and hold them in concentration camps where their powers are disabled
    • Namor's assault on Wakanda, which likely killed countless civilians.
    • The prison where Scott is being held in Consequences crosses when they allow Scott's new friend, a newly-activated mutant, to be lynched by the other inmates. This causes Scott to accept Magneto's offer to break him out.
  • Older Than They Think: Cyclops became a host of the Phoenix Force in the X-Men/Teen Titans crossover.
  • One-Scene Wonder: Rachel's delivering a Curb-Stomp Battle against both Captain America and Thor received the greatest praise from both her fans and detractors of this event.
  • Signature Scene: The choking scene in issue #11 was framed as being the most brutal moment of the event up to that point with a mostly silent double-paged spread and images of Emma screaming horrifically and then laying still with blood coming out of her mouth.
  • Surprisingly Improved Sequel: On an issue-to-issue basis this event was received much better than its immediate predecessor, and even those who didn't like it were at least interested in where it was going.
  • Tear Jerker: This line:
    Scott Summers: All I wanted to do was change the world. To see my children grow up to be something other than time-traveling freedom fighters. To see mutants able to use their powers for more than just fighting killer robots."
  • They Just Didn't Care: Like Civil War and Fear Itself before it, due to its massive Idiot Plot.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Interested in seeing what this utopia the Phoenix Five created is like? Too bad! The reader is merely told that they P5 made the world a perfect place. Actually seeing any of that, examining the morality of a benign dictatorship, seeing what the ordinary person thinks about the benevolent cosmic-powered mutants who took over the world, etc., would get in the way of more punching.
  • What an Idiot: Rachel for seriously believing that what her Phoenix powered daddy Cyclops and his entourage were doing was giving the world "true Utopia" just because they happened to supply nice food and nice weather.
  • What The Hell, Costuming Department?:
    • Most of the Phoenix Five's costumes look just fine — except for Cyclops, who appears to be wearing a red thong.
    • Namor is wearing a top that is essentially sleeves and shoulder pads but nothing underneath, until it gets to his extra tight pants. On the other hand, it's still an improvement over a speedo.
    • Emma Frost probably would go here, except... it's Emma.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Pretty much every character in the book, with Captain America of all people being the most obvious victim.


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