History WMG / TheLastJedi

A few months after [[Series/TheMandalorian Grogu]]] left, someone managed to clone Luke, and tried to pull a KillAndReplace on him. However, the clone wasn't perfect-beyond being a few inches too tall, the Clone also had all of Luke's memories and strong morals.

* Jossed. She's come out of ''The Last Jedi'' whole, we'll see for ''Episode IX''.

* In both ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', the second films of their respective trilogies, the protagonist loses his right hand to the dark side villain- if they follow the pattern here, it'll be Rey's hand [[JustForPun on the chopping block]] next.

Either for [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou notwithstanding his latest mark being killed]] [[spoiler: by none other than the said mark's son]], or an EvenEvilHasStandards scenario, where even the most ruthless BountyHunter couldn't withstand [[{{Tykebomb}} how the First Order raise their Stormtroopers]], reminiscent of how the [[ClonesArePeopleToo Clone Troopers]] were [[CloningBlues so casually expended]]. [[note]]Bear in mind, Fett himself was also a clone and when he was told to shoot his brothers, he outright refused.[[/note]] Alternatively, someone scavenged Fett's armor and carried his title. Anyway, [[WildCard he can go either way]].

He's still alive after his confrontation with Finn, but he [[WeCanRebuildHim receives a cybernetic augmention]] against his will, becoming a First Order Executioner - a branch of specialists made for hunting traitors, with [[{{Cyborg}} augmented bodies]], absolute loyalty, and a [[AnAxeToGrind laser axe]] designed for execution. As a side effect of the cybernetic augmentation, Nines himself might become [[AxCrazy a little bit out of his mind]]. In short, he will become what essentially is [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Ein Dalton]] in a Stormtrooper armor.

* Alternatively, it's Disney. Budget is a foreign word to them. They might just CGI her, and that might cross into UncannyValley for some.

The First Order would allow him to crush the central galaxy, [[ATasteOfTheirOwnMedicine give them the same pain he felt]]. His endgame, which the First Order doesn't know about [[EvenEvilHasStandards and would oppose if they knew]], [[OmnicidalManiac is to destroy the galaxy]] all to satiate his revenge. That's why he's described as "darker than Palpatine"-Palpatine wanted to rule, not destroy. Shaping Kylo Ren into a DarthVaderClone will give him the satisfaction of crushing them with the grandson of the same hero of the Old Republic, the same enforcer as the Empire, and the same progenitor of the man and woman who made the New Republic possible. [[spoiler:And ironically he would die by the hands of someone who resents the past like him]].

DJ in the promotional material is described as neither a hero nor villain. He is truly morally Neutral and favors neither side of the conflict. He [[spoiler:betrayed Finn, Rose, [=BB8=] and the Resistance because he's simply a coward and knew the other choice was a brutal certain death]]. He seemed to kind of like Finn, Rose & [=BB8=] and gave Rose back her necklace (he likely had every intent on keeping it, at first). There's a fan fiction that proposes a fan theory that DJ may have [[spoiler:downloaded some info on First Order weaponry into [=BB8=], thus explaining how the droid managed to commandeer the AT-ST]]. If anything; DJ seems to just be a jerkass misanthrope who's sick of the nonstop war/peace cycle and TheMan and would "use" both sides to make a living outside polite society. He's a bad person but not a super-evil bad person. Creator/BenicioDelToro himself doesn't consider himself [[spoiler:a villain.]]

[[WMG: ''The Last Jedi'' is going to reveal that Rey is the product of VillainousIncest [[StalkerWithATestTube by proxy]] in a ShockingSwerve.]]

As for the ''writers''' motives for pulling such a ShockingSwerve on us, how the characters come to grips with this horrible revelation will serve to deconstruct SinsOfTheFather and the Jedi's stupid rules [[LoveIsACrime against falling in love and getting married]] in the prequels. The big [[AnAesop moral lesson]] Rey will learn from all this is that despicable origins don't force you to be immoral (as she ultimately rejects the villain's claims that she has to turn to the dark side just because she was conceived for its purposes and by its means). The big lesson the next generation of Jedi will learn in the meantime is not to make stupid rules against love and marriage and having children because those are what the Sith and Knights of Ren used to corrupt Darth Vader and Kylo Ren and others, and how they nearly seduced Rey as well. (Oh, and did I mention that one more [[TheReveal big revelation]] from all this will be that this pointless celibacy requirement was one more motivation for Kylo Ren to turn against Luke? "Maybe your father would have made a better Jedi if the other Jedi had let him ''be'' your father, Luke; sounds to me like [[VillainHasAPoint Vader had a point]] about those prigs.")

[[WMG: [[AuthorExistenceFailure What will be done about Princess Leia?]]]]

Additionally, while Rey was the core focus of ''The Force Awakens'', Finn will be the focus in ''VIII'', as he adjusts to a new role with the perceived freedom of choice he was robbed of ever since he was an infant. TFA established him as a curious if somewhat weak-willed individual, who is easily swept up in the grandeur of things--but just as easily is dispelled when things don't go right or contradict his expectations. He is the first character to respond visibly along a moral spectrum, but is kept in the grey area despite his HeelRealization (he kept running, wanting nothing to do with the First Order, despite the obvious "good guy" thing to do being to actually join up with the Resistance and fight back). The narrative will jump back and forth between Rey's and Finn's development, and while her training will explore where Kylo went wrong, Finn will stand opposite of Poe--the star fighter pilot of the Resistance--and be the one to pose the hard questions like why they're doing what they're doing and [[NotSoDifferent if they're any different from the Empire or the First Order in the long run]].

** For that matter, it could just be that Hux knows better than to go ChallengingTheChief when said "Chief" can ''telekinetically strangle him to death'' without working up a sweat.

[[WMG: At least one of the writers for this movie is a troper.]]
* Did anybody else notice Kylo Ren recited the WeCanRuleTogether trope verbatim, never ordered anyone to LeaveHimToMe, and generally just engaged in a lot of PragmaticVillainy all the way? Yeah, somebody's been paying attention to what we've been saying here, or at least to the tropes mentioned on the EvilOverlordList.
** This is also supported by the decision to make Rey a nobody, given that there are so many theories about her origins here on TVT, so they decided to screw all that just to mess with us fellow tropers.
** Probably not. [[http://www.newsweek.com/rian-johnson-interview-star-wars-last-jedi-752856 Rian Johnson says he was writing for it]] while ''The Force Awakens'' was still filming, so he probably wouldn't have been influenced much by fan theories.
** When I say "here" I don't mean as in this WMG page specifically, but as in Wiki/ThisVeryWiki in general. Also, I'm talking about somebody on the writing team filling in the various minutiae, not the huge plot twists Rian Johnson planned. In addition to Kylo Ren's being so remarkably savvy, one sees a fair amount of what might be AscendedFanon, LeaningOnTheFourthWall, AuthorsSavingThrow, and LampshadeHanging that seem to be someone's way of acknowledging the fans' opinions and answering some of their long-running complaints. Using the WeCanRuleTogether trope word-for-word is what has me thinking said writer was specifically getting a lot of ideas for how to fill in those details from ''here''.
** Tropes are narrative devices that writers use, whether or not they know about a specific tongue-in-cheek wiki that catalogues them. A writer consciously using tropes doesn't mean they read this website; it simply means that they are aware of the tricks of their own profession.

[[WMG: Snoke (If He Does Comeback in IX) will be revealed to be Darth Plagueis' Father's Brother's Nephew's Cousin's Former Roomate.]]

Anakin actually had a long-lost sibling who had their own children, and was force-sensitive as well. However, this Skywalker never amounted to anything,and Kylo's description of Rey's parents is true.

* Snoke being from a cloning Facility is Confirmed by Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker. Palpatine make him. Who he a clone of, remain unknown.

* Snoke being from a cloning Facility is Confirmed by TheRiseOfSkywalker The Rise of Skywalker. Palpatine make him. Who he a clone of, remain unknown.

If Snoke didn't actually forge the bond, one would have to wonder why Rey and Kylo Ren kept unexpectedly and unintentionally dropping in on each other; clearly, [[PowerIncontinence the bond wasn't under their control]]. The way I see it, Snoke probably sensed their connection and figured if he wanted to learn Luke's location, tracing Rey through her connection to his apprentice was likely to be most effective strategy. Therefore, he used a bit of his own skill with the Force to strengthen their connection, meaning that he did have a hand in "forging" their bond after all... FromACertainPointOfView.

[[WMG: Rey is NOT related to anyone from previous movies.]]
She's not the daughter of any Jedi or Sith Lords or any other main characters. Her parents were nobody important; because seriously, people, does it ''always'' have to come back to Skywalkers and the like?

* Snoke being from a cloning Facility is [[Confirmed Confirmed]] by [[TheRiseOfSkywalker The Rise of Skywalker]]. Palpatine make him. Who he a clone of, remain unknown.

* Seems to fit with [[TheRiseOfSkywalker The rise of Skywalker]], were he becomes a spy for the resistance [[NotinThisforYourRevolution only so That Kylo will lose]] and Eventually get killed for it.

* Snoke being from a cloning Facility is [[Cimfirmed]] by [[The Rise of Skywalker]]. Palpatine make him. Who he a clone of, remain unknown.

* Seems to fit with [[The rise of Skywalker]], were he becomes a spy for the resistance [[NotinThisforYourRevolution only so That Kylo will lose]] and Eventually get killed for it.

* Snoke being from a cloning Facility is [[Cimfirmed]] by [[The Rise of Skywalker]]. Palpatine make him. Who he a clone of, remain unknown.

** [[Film/TheIrishman]] says different.