History RuinedFOREVER / Toys

** ''BIONICLE'''s 2015 relaunch, after a period of rejoicing, has lead to cries of the franchise being ruined again, due to the sets using ''Hero Factory'' parts (inevitable, as that's LEGO's current action figure system) and due to the Toa now being simply labeled as "Masters" on the packagings.

** Mattel bought the brand? Clearly they only did it to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}. Everything they've ever made for the line is of bad quality with cheap plastic and thin ugly inaccurate cloth, instead of the high, handmade, perfect quality of every product before then. In fact, we'll call products released before 2000 "Pre-Mattel" in a tone that makes it clear anything Mattel released is shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand at all.

** [=BeForever=] was so bad it's tainted my childhood memories and showed once again that Mattel doesn't care about the characters or historical accuracy and never respected the true meaning of American Girl. It's all bright colors [[MonochromePast that never existed in the past]], the books have been smashed together without any pictures anymore, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking [=BeForever=] is a stupid name anyways.]] This can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks and [[CreatorWorship Pleasant Rowland would have never wanted this.]] This shoddy rebrand didn't appeal to anyone at all, not even the target audience--and if they think they like it, they just don't know or care about ''real history''. We'll be using "Pre-[=BeForever=]" the same way we use "Pre-Mattel"--with an unspoken sneer that items released before then are better and everyone knows it.

** Historical characters are being retired? This is terrible! How will children learn about history without American Girl! They're clearly being replaced with those awful, uninteresting Girls of the Year or completely pointless historicals--the war of 1812? [[SmallReferencePools No one knows about that era]]. American Girl just isn't radical like it was when I was younger and the stories really mattered. These new modern Girls of the Year only care about shallow things like going on expensive trips and dancing, not saving horses and speaking up against child labor. Mattel is ruining the line just to make money and they don't care about the true meaning of American Girl at all.

** Historical characters are being retired? This is terrible! How will children learn about history without American Girl! They're clearly being replaced with those awful, uninteresting Girls of the Year or more inaccurate historicals--the war of 1812? No one knows about that era. American Girl just isn't radical like it was when I was younger and the stories really mattered. These new modern Girls of the Year only care about shallow things like going on expensive trips and dancing, not saving horses and speaking up against child labor. Mattel is ruining the line just to make money and they don't care about the true meaning of American Girl at all.

** [=BeForever=] was so bad it's tainted my childhood memories and showed once again that Mattel doesn't care about the characters or historical accuracy and never respected the true meaning of American Girl. It's all bright colors [[RealIsBrown that never existed in the past]], the books have been smashed together without any pictures anymore, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking [=BeForever=] is a stupid name anyways.]] This can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks and [[CreatorWorship Pleasant Rowland would have never wanted this.]] This shoddy rebrand didn't appeal to anyone at all, not even the target audience--and if they think they like it, they just don't know or care about ''real history''. We'll be using "Pre-[=BeForever=]" the same way we use "Pre-Mattel"--with an unspoken sneer that items released before then are better and everyone knows it.

** Mattel bought the brand? Clearly they only did it to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}. Everything they've ever made for the line is of bad quality with cheap plastic and thin ugly cloth, instead of the high, handmade, perfect quality of every product before then. In fact, we'll call products released before 2000 "pre-Mattel" in a tone that makes it clear anything Mattel released is shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand at all!
** [=BeForever=] was so bad it's tainted your childhood memories and showed once again that Mattel doesn't care about the characters or historical accuracy and never respected the true meaning of American Girl. It's all bright colors that never existed in the past, the books have been smashed together without any pictures, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking [=BeForever=] is a stupid name anyways.]] The new look can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks. [[CreatorWorship Pleasant Rowland would have never wanted this.]] This shoddy rebrand didn't appeal to anyone at all, not even the target audience--and if they do like it, they just don't know or care about ''real history''. We'll be using "Pre-[=BeForever=]" the same way we use "pre-Mattel"--with an unspoken sneer that items released before then are better and everyone knows it.
** What do you mean they've made historical characters for the TheSeventies, TheEighties, and TheNineties?! [[MaamShock I can't be getting older]]. American Girl must be cheaply pandering to nostalgia and nothing else.

** What do you mean they've made historical characters for the TheSeventies, TheEighties, and TheNineties?! [[MaamShock I can't be getting older]]. American Girl must be cheaply pandering to nostalgia and nothing else, and the time period's too new to be researched well.

** Mattel bought the brand in the late 90s and taking over completely in 2000? Clearly they only bought the brand to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}. Everything they've ever made for the line is of bad quality with cheap plastic and thin ugly cloth, instead of the high, handmade, perfect quality of every product before then. In fact, we'll call products released before 2000 "pre-Mattel" in a tone that makes it clear anything Mattel released is shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand at all!

** Mattel bought the brand in the late 90s and taking over completely in 2000?
Clearly they only bought the brand to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}. Everything they've ever made for the line is of bad quality with cheap plastic and thin ugly cloth, instead of the high, handmade, perfect quality of every product before then. In fact, we'll call products released before 2000 "pre-Mattel" in a tone that makes it clear anything Mattel released is shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand at all!

** Mattel buying the brand in the late 90s and taking over completely in 2000. Clearly they only bought the brand to make the dolls like Barbies by only caring about modern lines and cut down on quality. All the products are made with plastic and thin ugly cloth, instead of the high quality of every product before there. Fans of the line prior to then often call products released before 2000 "pre-Mattel" in a tone that anything Mattel released is considered shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand and is only trying to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}.
** The [=BeForever=] reboot, which redesigned the Historicals' collections (with brighter colors, new collection items, and condensed the six-book series into two-book text-only volumes) in order to appeal to the target audience and make the book more interesting to the upper ends of the demographic. This rebrand only lasted five years in name but a contingent of fans still insist the rebranding was the worst thing ever and no one liked the rebrand at all, not even the target audience--and if they did, they just don't know or care about ''real history''. [=BeForever=] was so bad it destroyed their childhood memories, didn't care about the characters or historical accuracy, and never respected the true meaning of American Girl. [[CreatorWorship Pleasant Rowland would have never wanted this.]] If you ask these collectors, the new looks for the historicals can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks and American Girl will only thrive if they revert every change the rebrand ever made. "Pre-[=BeForever=]" is used the same way "pre-Mattel" is--with an unspoken sneer that items released before then are better and not "damaged" by the rebrand.
** What do you mean they've made historical characters for the TheSeventies, TheEighties, and TheNineties?! [[MaamShock I can't be getting older]], so American Girl must be cheaply pandering to people that don't know any better with bad takes on history that can't researched nearly as well as the older characters.

** What do you mean they've made historical characters for the TheSeventies, TheEighties, and TheNineties?! [[MaamShock I can't be getting older]], so American Girl must be cheaply pandering to the adults that don't know any better with bad takes on history that can't researched nearly as well as the older characters.

* ''Toys/AmericanGirl'' has had this happen multiple times, but the biggest two are:
** Mattel buying the brand in the late 90s and taking over completely in 2000, with fans of the line prior to then often calling their products "pre-Mattel" in a tone that anything Mattel released is considered shallow plastic trash that doesn't care about the quality or history of the brand and is only trying to turn American Girl into the larger, more expensive Toys/{{Barbie}}.

** The [=BeForever=] reboot, which redesigned the Historicals' collections with brighter colors to appeal to the target audience and condensed the six-book series into two-book volumes. This rebrand only lasted 5 years in name but a contingent of fans still insist the rebranding destroyed their childhood memories by having new looks, the looks of the characters, and the true meaning of American Girl--and the new looks for the historicals can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks. "Pre-[=BeForever=]" is used the same way "pre-Mattel" is--with a sneer that their items are better for being older and not "damaged" by the brand.

** The [=BeForever=] reboot, which redesigned the Historicals' collections with brighter colors to appeal to the target audience and condensed the six-book series into two-book volumes. This rebrand only lasted 5 years in name but a contingent of fans still insist almost ten years later that the rebranding destroyed their childhoods, the characters, and the true meaning of American Girl--and the new looks for the historicals can ''never'' hold a candle to the older, "classic" looks. "Pre-[=BeForever=]" is used the same way "pre-Mattel" is--with a sneer that their items are better for being older and not "damaged" by the brand.

** '''Technic''' line going nearly completely '''studless'''. Now you cannot build anything without ''pins''. '''[[UpToEleven Metric trucktons]]''' of pins. Alsot he constructs are now less sturdy and more rickety.

* Franchise/{{LEGO}} has its fanatics, especially when it comes to its "Constr''a''ction" lines, like ''Toys/{{BIONICLE}}''. Never mind the FanHater crew, even the line's followers expressed their hatred over several "drastic" [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks changes]]. Some felt the story went downhill when the characters started speaking (as in, the very first page of the very first comic). Others left the story when the setting changed from a tropical island to a futuristic city. Then, when the marketing took a sharp turn and advertised the sets with horrible rap songs and (decidedly non-canon) websites, even more fans turned away. And then there was TheReveal of the Great Spirit, the introduction of a new planet, and [[DoingInTheWizard the sudden overflow of sci-fi elements]]. Thankfully, in contrast to many other {{fandom}}s described here, ''BIONICLE'''s fans never declared outright war over the subject. However that still doesn't mean there aren't any seriously butthurt people out there, banned from popular forums.

* The {{Franchise/Barbie}} line sees its fair share of this, but the ''[[TheFashionista Fashionista's]]'' have it happen every time anything AT ALL happens. Good examples include when Wild was replaced so the line wasn't [[UnfortunateImplications four blondes and two]] [[TokenMinority minorities]] ("Wild is gone and has been replaced with a girl who makes the line look more balanced? Ruined FOREVER!"), when [[UnfortunateNames Girly]] was replaced by somebody [[UnfortunateImplications whose name didn't imply it was setting in stone what it meant to be a girl]] ("Sweetie is too nice!") and when they made it possible to swap heads easily ([[UnpleasableFanbase Which was something the fans had been wanting]] ''for years'') [[FanDumb because it meant the line was selling out to the mainstream.]]

* The greatest example of Ruined FOREVER, ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'', has had this happen more often in toys than even the fiction. The first was with ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', which older fans considered a dead-on-arrival concept since robots disguised as animals is somehow less convincing of a concept. Then, ''Armada'' for its design hiccups that caused a detriment to appearance, transformation, or compatibility with other toys. ''Animated'' got it for its cartoony proportions that made super-accurate toys more difficult to engineer, and then ''Prime'' for supposedly not originally planning on having a toyline[[note]]They always intended it, but engineering and distribution issues led to a 6 month delay from the cartoon's debut and the toyline's[[/note]]. Most recently, ''Titans Return'' and ''Robots in Disguise'' are getting flack for the various visible hollow spots on the toys to reduce the amount of material and assembly needed in a given toy, as well as loose joints and easily peeled off stickers. ''None of this'' has actually resulted in a significant drop in toy sales, and in fact have topped the supposedly "perfect" Generation 1 toyline many times over. All of the perceived problems were present in several of [=G1=]'s various subseries and gimmick groups, and well articulated figures didn't become the norm until the inclusion of the ball joint very late into its life-cycle.

* When the license for Creator/MarvelComics toys went from [=ToyBiz=] to Hasbro, fans declared that the toys were Ruined FOREVER. Some even sold off their entire collections in "protest." The fact that Hasbro's first series of Marvel Legends had been designed and created by the [=ToyBiz=] crew, and would in fact have '''been''' [=ToyBiz=]'s next series if the license had not been transferred, did not seem to matter to these folks. The only change was the name printed on the card, and that was enough.

* When the license for Creator/MarvelComics toys went from [=ToyBiz=] to Hasbro, fans declared that the toys were Ruined FOREVER. Some even sold off their entire collections in "protest." The fact that Hasbro's first series of Marvel Legends had been designed and created by the [=ToyBiz=] crew, and would in fact have '''been''' [=ToyBiz=]'s next series if the licensed hadn't transferred, didn't seem to matter to these folks. The only change was the name printed on the card, and that was enough.

* The MostTriumphantExample of Ruined FOREVER, ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'', has had this happen more often in toys than even the fiction. The first was with ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', which older fans considered a dead-on-arrival concept since robots disguised as animals is somehow less convincing of a concept. Then, ''Armada'' for its design hiccups that caused a detriment to appearance, transformation, or compatibility with other toys. ''Animated'' got it for its cartoony proportions that made super-accurate toys more difficult to engineer, and then ''Prime'' for supposedly not originally planning on having a toyline[[note]]They always intended it, but engineering and distribution issues led to a 6 month delay from the cartoon's debut and the toyline's[[/note]]. Most recently, ''Titans Return'' and ''Robots in Disguise'' are getting flack for the various visible hollow spots on the toys to reduce the amount of material and assembly needed in a given toy, as well as loose joints and easily peeled off stickers. ''None of this'' has actually resulted in a significant drop in toy sales, and in fact have topped the supposedly "perfect" Generation 1 toyline many times over. All of the perceived problems were present in several of [=G1=]'s various subseries and gimmick groups, and well articulated figures didn't become the norm until the inclusion of the ball joint very late into its life-cycle.