History PlayingWith / APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil

** Bob appears to be benevolent but turns to be a vicious KnightTemplar, and the reason why he considers Alex "evil" is because he had the guts [[DefectorFromDecadence to abandon him when he found about it]].

* '''Enforced''': The BigBad is meant as a ShadowArchetype to TheHero, and having them share a mentor shows their opposite reactions to the same upbringing.

* '''Downplayed''': Bob's first pupil joins a rival team with Bob's teaching, said team is just TheRival and not necessarily evil.

** Alex rebelled against Bob because Bob was pro-{{masquerade}} -- Alex felt it was wrong that the mages were keeping their powers for themselves, and not helping [[{{Muggles}} those outside the masquerade]], and decided "ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight"

** Bob is a KnightTemplar, but the lengths to which Alex had to go to survive after leaving Bob have caused him to suffer MotiveDecay, and he's now [[BlackAndGrayMorality even worse than Bob]].
*** Or Bob may have come back from the edge in the meantime and Alex either didn't know or didn't care.

** Alex lied about wanting to help the people outside the masquerade.
** Alex pursued his project ''even after Bob told him to stop it'' and ''knowing he would be punished for doing it''. [[NeverMyFault He blames Bob and/or other instructors for the negative consequences he incurred.]]

** Bob acts this way about the fact that he trained his now-professional rival and SitcomArchNemesis. Alice wonders if owning a competing restaurant [[FelonyMisdemeanor can really be described as "evil"...]]
** Bob's apprentices invariably turn evil--Alex, Alice, all before them, and anyone after--for no good reason, but Bob keeps taking in apprentices hoping that eventually, one of them won't turn into a world-conquering villain.

** Bob tells Alice about his former pupil ... but when she tracks the guy down, he's perfectly friendly, and laments the fact that Bob took his branching out on his own so badly. It's later revealed that he's a {{Rival Turned|Evil}} AffablyEvil, and really is plotting Bob's destruction! He describes it as self-defense against Bob's selfish refusal to accept Alex's independence; this is what has created such hate between them. Then Alice learns that Alex is practicing TheDarkArts and Bob tried to reign him in.

** Good and Evil are two entirely different sides, nobody on either of which has ever been friends with the other.

* '''Lampshaded''': "Ohhh, you guys have an [[Franchise/StarWars Obi-Wan/Darth Vader]] thing goin' on? Well, I for one am much more invested in this conflict now that ItsPersonal."
* '''Invoked''': The BigBad deliberately [[FaceHeelTurn turned]] one of his rival's closest allies as a XanatosGambit: whichever of them won, Bob would be either killed, emotionally devastated, or at the very least, one ally short.
* '''Exploited''': Alex turned away from Bob of his own volition, but the bad guys picked him out because his connection to Bob could become useful.
* '''Defied''': ResignationsNotAccepted -- whenever a student of Bob's tries to rebel, he [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim kills him immediately]] because HeKnowsTooMuch.

* '''Played for Drama''': Bob remembers he saw Alex as LikeASonToMe, Alex remembers he saw Bob as a ParentalSubstitute, or both, and they now angst about having to fight each other.

* '''Implied''': Alex's origins are never revealed, but he seems to be very familiar with Bob, and with a very similar fighting style.

** Our hero is the best possible {{Foil}} to the villains because he was once the [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels star pupil]] at the AcademyOfEvil before experiencing a HeelRealisation and turned to the side of good. For their part, the villains want him dead because HeKnowsTooMuch.

** Alex is considered evil because he killed Draco, who used to be Bob's most brilliant pupil. However, as the story progresses, we discover that Draco was a double agent sent to infiltrate Bob's dojo and murder him when he least expected it. Alex found out about his plan, [[SuperDickery and had to kill him to protect his master]].
** Alex rebelled against Bob because Bob was pro-{{masquerade}} -- Alex felt it was wrong that the mages were keeping their powers for themselves, and not helping [[{{Muggles}} those outside the masquerade]].

** Bob's apprentices invariably turn evil--Alex, Alice, and anyone after these two--for no good reason, but Bob keeps taking in apprentices hoping that eventually, one of them won't turn into a world-conquering villain.

** Bob tells Alice about his former pupil ... but when she tracks the guy down, he's perfectly friendly, and laments the fact that Bob took his branching out on his own so badly. It's later revealed that he's a [[RivalTurnedEvil Rival Turned]] AffablyEvil, and really is plotting Bob's destruction! He describes it as self-defense against Bob's selfish refusal to accept Alex's independence; this is what has created such hate between them. Then Alice learns that Alex is practicing TheDarkArts and Bob tried to reign him in.

-->'''Alex/Killfrenzy:''' Wh--You can't ... Aaargh!

* '''Straight''': Alice's mentor Bob tells her the story of his first pupil, Alex, who turned against his master when his heart was corrupted by power. That Man Is, of course, the BigBad now styling himself Lord Killfrenzy.

* '''Justified''': Bob is the last Master of a DangerousForbiddenTechnique - forbidden because it can drive the weak-minded mad with power. For Killfrenzy, ItsPersonal, and for Bob, a new student needs to be around to keep Alex in check once Bob has died.

** Alex isn't really "evil", he just disagrees with Bob's use of his powers.

** The reason why Alex is considered evil is because he killed Draco, who used to be Bob's most brilliant pupil. However, as the story progresses, we discover that Draco was a double agent sent to infiltrate Bob's dojo and murder him when he least expected it. Alex found out about his plan, [[{{Superdickery}} and had to kill him in order to protect his master]].
** Alex rebelled against Bob because Bob was pro-masquerade - Alex felt it was wrong that the mages were keeping their powers for themselves, and not helping those outside the masquerade.

** Bob is a KnightTemplar, but the lengths Alex had to go to to survive after leaving Bob have caused him to suffer MotiveDecay, and he's now [[BlackandGrayMorality even worse than Bob]].
** Alex framed Draco as an inflitrator so he would have an excuse to kill him. VictorGainsLosersPowers is in effect and he wanted Draco's skill and {{mana}} for himself.

** Bob acts this way about the fact that his professional rival and SitcomArchNemesis used to be under his training. Alice wonders if owning a competing restaurant [[FelonyMisdemeanor can really be described as "evil"...]]

* '''Zig Zagged''':

** Good and Evil are two entirely different sides, no-one on either of which has ever been friends with the other.
** Despite the bitterness with which he abandoned his mentor, Alex still has good intentions. He simply [[DuelingMessiahs no longer shares Bob's views on how to best serve the greater good.]]

* '''Lampshaded''': "Ohhh, you guys have an Obi-Wan/Darth Vader thing goin' on? Well, I for one am much more invested in this conflict now that ItsPersonal."

* '''Defied''': ResignationsNotAccepted -- when a pupil of Bob's tries to rebel, he [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim kills him immediately]] on the basis that HeKnowsTooMuch.
* '''Discussed''': "And this year's Most Likely To Turn Evil And Become A Nemesis Feared All The More Because You Were Once A Friend goes to... Alex!"

* '''Played For Laughs''': Bob and Alex's pre-battle banter plays on their old relationship:
-->'''Bob:''' So, we meet again. I see you still can't keep your wrist straight...\\
'''Alex:''' Shut up! You're not my teacher any more!\\
'''Bob:''' Watch that mouth, or I'll have you writing lines. \\
'''Alex:''' Wh- You can't... Aaargh!
* '''Implied''': Alex's origins are never revealed, but he seems to be very familiar with Bob, and with a very similar fighting style.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob tells Alice about his former pupil ... but when she tracks the guy down, he's perfectly friendly, and laments the fact that Bob took his branching out on his own so badly. It's later revealed that he's a [[RivalTurnedEvil Rival Turned]] AffablyEvil, and really is plotting Bob's destruction! He describes it as self-defense against Bob's selfish refusal to accept Alex's independence; this is what has created such hate between them. Then Alice learns that Alex is practicing TheDarkArts and Bob tried to reign him in.
* '''Averted''': Good and Evil are two entirely different sides, no-one on either of which has ever been friends with the other.

* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob tells Alice about his former pupil ... but when she tracks the guy down, he's perfectly friendly, and laments the fact that Bob took his branching out on his own so badly. It's later revealed that he's a [[RivalTurnedEvil Rival Turned]] AffablyEvil, and really is plotting Bob's destruction! He describes it as self-defense against Bob's selfish refusal to accept Alex's independence; this is what has created such hate between them. Then Alice learns that Alex is practicing DarkArts and Bob tried to reign him in.

* '''Parodied''': Bob acts this way about the fact that his professional rival and SitcomArchNemesis used to be under his training. Alice wonders if owning a competing restaurant [[FelonyMisdemeanor can really be described as "evil"...]]

** Sensei turns evil. Grasshopper doesn't follow, and they have a parting of ways.

** Our hero is the best possible {{Foil}} to the villains because he was once the [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels star pupil]] at the AcademyOfEvil before experiencing a HeelRealisation. For their part, the villains want him dead because HeKnowsTooMuch.

* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob tells Alice about his former pupil ... but when she tracks the guy down, he's perfectly friendly, and laments the fact that Bob took his branching out on his own so badly. It's later revealed that he's a [[RivalTurnedEvil Rival Turned]] AffablyEvil, and really is plotting Bob's destruction! Then again perhaps it's just Bob's selfish refusal to accept Alex's independence that created such hate between them?