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* "Humans are more important than Humanity" that's the movie team's explanation for the clusterfuck that is the final few minutes?!? Two scared, pathetic little teens are worth more than all the other '''Seven Billion''' people in the world!?!? We are supposed to see that asshole pothead's actions as a triumph?!? There are men and women and children, with beautiful, fulfilling lives, only possible because someone has the duty to keep the wolves out of the sheepfold, and Marty and Dana are right to let them all die?!? They're both gonna die anyway if the EldritchAbomination gets out, so the two "humans", if they even deserve to be called that at the end, don't even win, they drag the world down with them out of spite. (My problem with the ending, in case I'm not being clear, is that Dana and Marty, as well as the directive team, act as though people are the problem, Dana even says "give someone else a chance". Who else, bitch? Once the Ancients finish slaughtering humanity, they'll just go and torture the next group of Sapients. The evil gods are what makes this necessary, not their victims, and they aren't gonna give '''anyone''' else "a chance". And I don't see how WordOfGod can justify their claim those two selfish, hateful monsters' prides are more valuable than all life on Earth. If they hadn't said that, I wouldn't even be making this outburst, I would just take the DownerEnding at face value, but they did say that, they said that Marty and Dana had a triumph in killing themselves and the rest of Humanity, and that they as individuals are worth more than the human race as a whole, and that statement makes me sick. A pair of self-righteous {{Nietzsche Wannabe}}s decide that the entire world should die if they have to, and were expected to accept that as a good, disgusting.

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* "Humans are more important than Humanity" that's the movie team's explanation for the clusterfuck that is the final few minutes?!? Two scared, pathetic little teens are worth more than all the other '''Seven Billion''' people in the world!?!? We are supposed to see that asshole pothead's actions as a triumph?!? There are men and women and children, with beautiful, fulfilling lives, only possible because someone has the duty to keep the wolves out of the sheepfold, and Marty and Dana are right to let them all die?!? They're both gonna die anyway if the EldritchAbomination gets out, so the two "humans", if they even deserve to be called that at the end, don't even win, they drag the world down with them out of spite. (My problem with the ending, in case I'm not being clear, is that Dana and Marty, as well as the directive team, act as though people are the problem, Dana even says "give someone else a chance". Who else, bitch? else? Once the Ancients finish slaughtering humanity, they'll just go and torture the next group of Sapients. The evil gods are what makes this necessary, not their victims, and they aren't gonna give '''anyone''' else "a chance". And I don't see how WordOfGod can justify their claim those two selfish, hateful monsters' prides are more valuable than all life on Earth. If they hadn't said that, I wouldn't even be making this outburst, I would just take the DownerEnding at face value, but they did say that, they said that Marty and Dana had a triumph in killing themselves and the rest of Humanity, and that they as individuals are worth more than the human race as a whole, and that statement makes me sick. A pair of self-righteous {{Nietzsche Wannabe}}s decide that the entire world should die if they have to, and were expected to accept that as a good, disgusting.
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*** Normally, the "failsafe" would be the very same guards who got turned into monster munchies when Dana hit the "Purge" button. If they'd been packing silver bullets and robot-shorting EMP packs and so on, and had known what they were getting into, they probably ''could'' have held off the Carnage; unfortunately for them, they were expecting and equipped to take on a couple of badly-battered college kids, ''not'' the legions of Hell.
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** Paid volunteers would expect a catch. Not necessarily a deadly one, but they would be more on the lookout for anything that might surprise them, and that removes some of the authenticity of them being horror movie characters, who usually come upon the horror element completely unexpectedly.
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* Why was the security team shooting the glass window of the room Dana and Marty were in? If it is totally bulletproof, they should know it makes no sense. If not, they actually risked killing Virgin first...
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** Because the rules state it has to be a ''punishable transgression'', not a HeroicSacrifice (even if not necessarily too heroic).
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** I guess the cabin having belonged to Buckners is ''the reason why it was chosen by the controllers in the first place''. Like, most of the monsters are not tied to any specific place other than pretty generic "wild forest, ominous lake thing", but in this case you have to go with the place where they lived, died and were buried. Given this, [[FridgeBrilliance it actually makes total sense why maintenance keeps choosing Buckners every year.]]

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** I guess the cabin having belonged to Buckners is ''the reason why it was chosen by the controllers in the first place''. Like, most of the monsters are shown do not seem to be tied to any specific place other than pretty generic "wild forest, ominous lake thing", lake" thing, but in this case you have to go with the place where they lived, died and were buried. Given this, [[FridgeBrilliance it actually makes total sense why maintenance that Maintenance keeps choosing Buckners every year.]]

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** I guess the cabin having belonged to Buckners is ''the reason why it was chosen by the controllers in the first place''. Like, most of the monsters are not tied to any specific place other than pretty generic "wild forest, ominous lake thing", but in this case you have to go with the place where they lived, died and were buried. Given this, [[FridgeBrilliance it actually makes total sense why maintenance keeps choosing Buckners every year.]]

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** Maybe the films in this verse are treated as the very first "harbinger"? For activation of some artifact in the cellar to be a "punishable trespassing", it is necessary to establish that this is a transgression in the first place - and make it known, however vaguely, to the future victims. The horror films allow to do precisely that.



* It's also possible that in this verse human serial killers, or at least some of them, are actually particular manifestations of the supernatural forces, a la one of the episodes of ''Star Trek'' written by Robert Bloch where it turns out that Jack the Ripper is just one of incarnations of the interplanetary "Redjack" demon.

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* ** It's also possible that in this verse human serial killers, or at least some of them, are actually particular manifestations of the supernatural forces, a la one of the episodes of ''Star Trek'' written by Robert Bloch where it turns out that Jack the Ripper is just one of incarnations of the interplanetary "Redjack" demon.

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* It's also possible that in this verse human serial killers, or at least some of them, are actually particular manifestations of the supernatural forces, a la one of the episodes of ''Star Trek'' written by Robert Bloch where it turns out that Jack the Ripper is just one of incarnations of the interplanetary "Redjack" demon.
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*** Also, since Japan never fails and America has only failed once, the other countries might not even really be trying - after all, "success" means people die, and if they're confident Japan and America will carry things they might deliberately half-ass it because they don't want unnecessary deaths.
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*** While there ''are'' certainly many variants of werewolves who are human most of the time save the full moon, there's also the lycanthrope subgenre of "Wolf Man", which is a man-wolf hybrid which stays monstrous 24/7, and in some scenarios can infect others with their affliction via bites in the same way a werewolf classic can. Some works of fiction will use the term "werewolf" interchangably, even on monsters who more clearly fall into the "Wolf Man" category, as the Old English origin of the word "werwulf" can be translated in modern word to "man-wolf".

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*** While there ''are'' certainly many variants of werewolves who are human most of the time save the full moon, there's also the lycanthrope subgenre of "Wolf Man", which is a man-wolf hybrid which stays monstrous 24/7, and in some scenarios can infect others with their affliction via bites in the same way a werewolf classic can. Some works of fiction will use the term "werewolf" interchangably, interchangeably, even on monsters who more clearly fall into the "Wolf Man" category, as the Old English origin of the word "werwulf" can be translated in modern word to "man-wolf".



** I think horror films are simply part of the warning signs given to the victims. Horror stories have always basically been cautionary tales, if they are told sitting around a campfire or in a theater, it is no consequence, the purpose is tha same.

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** I think horror films are simply part of the warning signs given to the victims. Horror stories have always basically been cautionary tales, if they are told sitting around a campfire or in a theater, it is no consequence, the purpose is tha the same.



** Alternately, it could contribute to the victims having to chose to ignore the warnings.

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** Alternately, it could contribute to the victims having to chose choose to ignore the warnings.



*** Alternatively, or as part of a [[DesperationAttack back-up ritual]] it may be that there is another ritual: the Death of the {{MadScientist}}s at the hands of their monsters, and ''that'' ritual required the BigRedButton

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*** Alternatively, or as part of a [[DesperationAttack back-up ritual]] it may be that there is another ritual: the Death death of the {{MadScientist}}s {{Mad Scientist}}s at the hands of their monsters, and ''that'' ritual required the BigRedButton



*** Actually, considering a mummy was one of the monsters on the [[Main/MonsterMash betting board]], I would imagine there would be some sort of artifact that would awaken the mummy if disturbed or taken out of the cellar, a la King Tut's Curse.

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*** Actually, considering a mummy was one of the monsters on the [[Main/MonsterMash [[MonsterMash betting board]], I would imagine there would be some sort of artifact that would awaken the mummy if disturbed or taken out of the cellar, a la King Tut's Curse.



** If the Old Gods are capable of creating a variety of outwardly horrific monsters like the DragonBat, the obviously supernatural Evil Clown, and a Unicorn, then by all means it's not impossible for them to create more normal looking humanoid monsters like The Dolls or even Kevin. Humans have always been afraid of the Uncanny Valley (things which appear superficially human-like but which have something fundamentally ''wrong'' with their appearance which makes them uncomfortable or frightening to look at, like the Dolls porcelain masks) and people with aberrant behavioral tendencies (people with certain personalities, behaviors, or neurological conditions which makes interacting with them uncomfortable or even potentially dangerous, such as the traditional horror movie image of a psycopath or sociopath). The Dolls fit both of these categories in that they look mostly human save for their eerie porcelain doll-like faces, and the cold, calculated, and unfeeling manner in which one might expect them to hunt down their victims without so much as a flinch away from the carnage they leave in their path. There ''are'' those who consider humanity to be the greatest monster of all. So why wouldn't the Old Gods take a few liberties in their monster creation?

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** If the Old Gods are capable of creating a variety of outwardly horrific monsters like the DragonBat, Dragonbat, the obviously supernatural Evil Clown, and a Unicorn, then by all means it's not impossible for them to create more normal looking humanoid monsters like The Dolls or even Kevin. Humans have always been afraid of the Uncanny Valley (things which appear superficially human-like but which have something fundamentally ''wrong'' with their appearance which makes them uncomfortable or frightening to look at, like the Dolls porcelain masks) and people with aberrant behavioral tendencies (people with certain personalities, behaviors, or neurological conditions which makes interacting with them uncomfortable or even potentially dangerous, such as the traditional horror movie image of a psycopath psychopath or sociopath). The Dolls fit both of these categories in that they look mostly human save for their eerie porcelain doll-like faces, and the cold, calculated, and unfeeling manner in which one might expect them to hunt down their victims without so much as a flinch away from the carnage they leave in their path. There ''are'' those who consider humanity to be the greatest monster of all. So why wouldn't the Old Gods take a few liberties in their monster creation?
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****Because a lot of people do not believe it is moral to force others to die for you. And a lot of people do not believe it is moral to use their life as justification for the killing of others. I am one of the billions that live on Earth, and the Controllers do not get to torture and murder people for me without my permission. My government already does that, and it is wrong there as well. My life is not a pebble to be used when justifying the torture of others. What you have is a basic difference in ethical principles, which is fine. But you cannot assume that your ethics is universal, and that everyone must agree with your reading of the ethics even if they agree with the basic principles. I find it incredibly selfish when people use the lives of others to justify their acts without talking to the people they are saving or protecting.
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** And in one of the more recent werewolf films at the time, ''Film/DogSoldiers'', the werewolves were so experienced they could transform willingly and happily hunted humans.




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** It's specifically following a different formula closer to J-horror tropes. You see a StringyHairedGhostGirl straight out of ''Film/TheRing'' or ''Film/TheGrudge''. And the child protagonists could be reminiscent of ''Film/DarkWater'', where the ghost is specifically targeting a little girl.




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** Marty's also been on weed for most of the day, so maybe he was seriously wounded but the pain hasn't set in yet, and would have once the drugs wore off.




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** Maybe that was an ad-lib by Mordecai, and he wanted the Buckners to be summoned, so he tried to influence them to gravitate towards Patience's diary.
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** With the death of the children, same as the one we watch over the course of the film.
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** The whiteboard lists a department called "Zoology". My guess is that they take car of this sort of thing - presumably they have tech more dealing with specific monster types (otherwise how would they contain ghosts and such?) but were overwhelmed/surprised by the purge.

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** The whiteboard lists a department called "Zoology". My guess is that they take car care of this sort of thing - presumably they have tech more dealing with specific monster types (otherwise how would they contain ghosts and such?) but were overwhelmed/surprised by the purge.
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* How was the Japanese ritual meant to end? If the technicians consider it a failure because the spirit was channeled into a frog and no-one died, how many had to die?

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* How was the Japanese ritual meant to end? If the technicians consider it a failure because the spirit was channeled into a frog and no-one died, how many had to die?died.
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* How was the Japanese ritual meant to end? If the technicians consider it a failure because the spirit was channeled into a frog and no-one died. died, how many had to die?
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** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint They would have had to split the pool multiple ways.]]

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** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint They would have had to split the pool multiple ways.]]

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** Or if the Virgin survives, there's a protocol in place to memory wipe her or brainwash her into thinking her friends just died in a tragic accident.




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** Then they also risk there being a paper trail, witnesses or other connections tying them to the ritual - which is to be kept top secret. The Virgin sometimes survives as well, meaning they'd have to account for that too. Since they have the technology to do everything without telling the teens and can lure them in without such a scheme, that's probably the option they prefer.


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** The controllers could also have sent him a subliminal message to get him to leave Marty behind so there was definitely no chance of him going back to save him. And if Curt is outside still looking for Marty, he might also be able to help Dana and Holden escape the cabin before they find the Black Room or have that tense fight inside. So the controllers want the three survivors inside the cabin, so they can be easily split up and attacked in a more contained environment.
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**I can't remember where I saw it, probably earlier on, but what Holden actually says isn't even accurate to what's actually written. It could also be a not to how random Latin is thrown in to make things much more mysterious and magical.
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** Could be it's an indication of how fed-up Marty is with being manipulated and deceived. After going though so many ShockingSwerve twists, he suspects that even the existence of Curt's cousin (who probably ''was'' real, just uninvolved with the sacrifice plot) may be a ruse. Marty doesn't guess right about ''everything'' ("[[WrongGenreSavvy I'm on a reality TV show!]]"), just more than the controllers had allowed for.

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** Could be it's an indication of how fed-up Marty is with being manipulated and deceived. After going though so many ShockingSwerve twists, he suspects that even the existence of Curt's cousin (who probably ''was'' real, just uninvolved with the sacrifice plot) may be a ruse. Marty doesn't guess right about ''everything'' ("[[WrongGenreSavvy I'm on a reality TV show!]]"), just more than the controllers had allowed for.
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** Best guess? The puppeteers are extremely GenreSavvy, but they're also really damn ''arrogant''. Look at how they handle the whole scenario: they barely take their work seriously and only narrowly avert disaster with the uncollapsed tunnel because they weren't paying attention. It's likely that while they were constructing the facility, it never occurred to them to set up redundant defenses against the monsters because, [[FamousLastWords come on, how can]] ''[[FamousLastWords that]]'' [[FamousLastWords possibly happen?]]

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** Best guess? The puppeteers are extremely GenreSavvy, but they're also really damn ''arrogant''. Look at how they handle the whole scenario: they barely take their work seriously and only narrowly avert disaster with the uncollapsed tunnel because they weren't paying attention. It's likely that while they were constructing the facility, it never occurred to them to set up redundant defenses against the monsters because, [[FamousLastWords come on, how can]] ''[[FamousLastWords that]]'' [[FamousLastWords can ''that'' [[TemptingFate possibly happen?]]
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** He had just seen his girlfriend slaughtered by a homicidal family. When he hears Marty's scream, he could logically assume that the same thing happened to him. If Marty wasn't dead, then he'd be horrible mauled and close to dead, and they aren't going to get to a hospital soon. Especially not with the Buckners out there. At the moment, though, he can't afford to think about anything else except ensuring that his remaining friends survive the night.
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** Because if you play off the characters' greed, make it more overtly a set-up, and throw a treacherous ringer into the mix, you'd wind up with more of a psychological thriller than a straight-up horror movie?

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** If the Old Gods are capable of creating a variety of outwardly horrific monsters like the DragonBat, the obviously supernatural Evil Clown, and a Unicorn, then by all means it's not impossible for them to create more normal looking humanoid monsters like The Dolls or even Kevin. Humans have always been afraid of the Uncanny Valley (things which appear superficially human-like but which have something fundamentally ''wrong'' with their appearance which makes them uncomfortable or frightening to look at, like the Dolls porcelain masks) and people with aberrant behavioral tendencies (people with certain personalities, behaviors, or neurological conditions which makes interacting with them uncomfortable or even potentially dangerous, such as the traditional horror movie image of a psycopath or sociopath). The Dolls fit both of these categories in that they look mostly human save for their eerie porcelain doll-like faces, and the cold, calculated, and unfeeling manner in which one might expect them to hunt down their victims without so much as a flinch away from the carnage they leave in their path. There ''are'' those who consider humanity to be the greatest monster of all. So why wouldn't the Old Gods take a few liberties in their monster creation?
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*** While there ''are'' certainly many variants of werewolves who are human most of the time save the full moon, there's also the lycanthrope subgenre of "Wolf Man", which is a man-wolf hybrid which stays monstrous 24/7, and in some scenarios can infect others with their affliction via bites in the same way a werewolf classic can. Some works of fiction will use the term "werewolf" interchangably, even on monsters who more clearly fall into the "Wolf Man" category, as the Old English origin of the word "werwulf" can be translated in modern word to "man-wolf".
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* At about the midpoint, Curt, Holden, and Dana are outside trying to escape. Dana asks where Marty is and Curt says "they got him". How does Curt know? From the earlier seen when Marty says Holden has a "husband bulge" he's walking in from what seems like the far back of the cabin, so his room seems pretty isolated. Curt's been barricading the doors the whole time and is explicitly outside Dana and Holden's rooms when they find the black room.He had basically no time to go to Marty's room, and even if he did, all he'd see is a broken window. Was he just guessing? Him and Marty seem like pretty close friends, so even drugged up it seems kind of callous to just "assume" Marty is dead and bail

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* At about the midpoint, Curt, Holden, and Dana are outside trying to escape. Dana asks where Marty is and Curt says "they got him". How does Curt know? From the earlier seen when Marty says Holden has a "husband bulge" he's walking in from what seems like the far back of the cabin, so his room seems pretty isolated. Curt's been barricading the doors the whole time and is explicitly outside Dana and Holden's rooms when they find the black room.He had basically no time to go to Marty's room, and even if he did, all he'd see is a broken window. Was he just guessing? Him and Marty seem like pretty close friends, so even drugged up it seems kind of callous to just "assume" '''assume''' Marty is dead and bail
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*At about the midpoint, Curt, Holden, and Dana are outside trying to escape. Dana asks where Marty is and Curt says "they got him". How does Curt know? From the earlier seen when Marty says Holden has a "husband bulge" he's walking in from what seems like the far back of the cabin, so his room seems pretty isolated. Curt's been barricading the doors the whole time and is explicitly outside Dana and Holden's rooms when they find the black room.He had basically no time to go to Marty's room, and even if he did, all he'd see is a broken window. Was he just guessing? Him and Marty seem like pretty close friends, so even drugged up it seems kind of callous to just "assume" Marty is dead and bail

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