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Allison's actions
- Why was Allison so determined to kill Cole even through Melanie makes a point in saying that Cole must be alive to complete the ritual?
- Easy, it's been established that Allison isn't very smart and often makes mistakes.
- But Sonya, Max and John also try to kill him. Not that they're geniuses either.
- Easy, it's been established that Allison isn't very smart and often makes mistakes.
Cole's age
- Cole makes multiple references to being 12 in the first film, but then is a junior (age 16) in high school in the second film which is supposedly two years later. Retcon or lazy writing?
- Writers Cannot Do Math seems to be in play.
- It's entirely possible that he skipped two grades. "Junior" is, after all, just a grade level—it's possible, if not the most probable, that a gifted 14-year-old can be a junior.
- This doesn't account for Melanie, who is the same age as Cole, being old enough to drive.
- Many minors do know how to drive, since they're usually taught by their parents, or an older sibling, or their friends. In much the same way minors often get their hands on booze, despite age restrictions. Besides which, Melanie now has demonic powers. Do you honestly think she has to worry about some cop pulling her over?
In What Way is Bee a "Hero"?
- On the main work page, Bee is listed as the Big Good, except her actions are anything but heroic and her logic is flawed. She made a deal with the Devil, put together a Satanic cult, then orchestrates their deaths (along with Samuel's and potentially Cole's in the original film) - all so she could save Phoebe's parents.
- First: Did it never occur to her to appeal to the powers of Heaven? Christ is famous for performing miracles; including raising the dead, no strings attached. Instead Bee, decided it was somehow better to turn to Satan? Really?? Even if she didn't wanna appeal to God/Christnote , why not consider time manipulation (ala Max Caufield, or Doc Brown)?
- Then let's also consider Bee's logic: She committed a terrible act by accidentally killing Phoebe's parents. So she figured she'd somehow make it "right" by deliberately committing multiple counts of premeditated murder? That's like trying to save 1 accidental drowning victim by deliberately drowning 9 others.
- Bee is the Hero in this movie, because she underwent a Heel–Face Turn after her death. Knowing that the cult would get another chance at Cole in two years, she worked to sabotage them. However, Bee herself seems to be aware that her actions in this film don't redeem her, she still has to go back to hell. I Am a Monster seems to be in play.
- The devil approached Bee, who was guilty and desperate to save Phoebe, signed off her soul without thinking of the consequences and became corrupted as a result. She explicitly states she was extremely evil until the night with Cole that changed her. Until the end of Babysitter 1, Bee is evil.
- Also, "Appeal to God/Christ"? Neither of them showed up offering to lend a hand. The devil did; Bee probably didn't even know what she was agreeing to until after (as is typical with Deal with the Devil stories), and it's not as if she was actively seeking out some way to do it. And "Time manipulation"? How? There's nothing in the films implying time travel is even a possible thing, nor anything that she would have access to. Suggesting two alternate possibilities doesn't make her actions headscratchers when there's nothing indicating those were even possible.
- So you're saying Bee agreed to sign on with Beelzebub simply because he showed up? Rather than reject him, knowing what it would ultimately cost her? Likewise, Bee didn't know a deal with the devil was possible either, until she did it. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Supernatural forces are clearly in play in both films, so it's puzzling that Bee didn't consider that there might be alternative methods.
- Desperation can cause people to make choices they'd otherwise never consider. In Bee's situation, she was just informed that Phoebe wasn't going to make it. But, when presented with a possibility of making sure Phoebe lived, she grabbed it out of desperation, with no chance to think of alternatives or the long-term consequences. It's easy to say "she had more choices" when we're looking at the situation from the comfort of our chairs/couches, as we don't have to make a choice in a desperate situation in a moment like that. However, that's just an interpretation.
Bee's "Plan"
- So the events of both films was part of her elaborate scheme to get Cole and Phoebe together - except:
- A: It retcons her motivation from the original film, which was to gain strength. There was no mention of anything having to do with Phoebe.
- The first film never went particularly into her motivation in the first place. She just described in one scene how she used to be weak but found strength after selling her soul; putting aside how that might be true and she's just leaving out the full circumstances, it's also probably just something she was saying when trying to convince Cole to join her, because he thought of himself as weak. She was making her story sound more appealing to him, then really espousing her true backstory.
- B: Bee and her cult tried to kill Cole multiple times, which contradicts her alleged objective. After all, how could Phoebe hook up with him if he's dead? And Cole nearly dies several times in the sequel.
- If you pay attention, when Bee is explaining her plan at the end, she says that she was the bad guy in the first film, but their final conversation at the end of it caused her to have a Heel Realization. Then she spent the next 2 years planning the meeting of Cole and Phoebe.
- Except Cole nearly dies several times, regardless, in the sequel alone because Sonya, Allison, and Max especially were all trying to kill Cole.
In fact, in that clip, Max almost decapitates Phoebe so he nearly killed both of them. So Bee's planning, like her story, doesn't hold water. - She also, in the first film, directly interfered when it looked like he was going to die (killing Allison when she tried). She was also repeatedly shown being confident that Cole was stronger than he thought he was, and the ones who tried to kill him ended up being defeated partially through their own incompetence. She likely realised that the members of her cult who were actively trying to kill him were also too incompetent to succeed and was confident enough in his abilities to defeat them. Her plan wasn't flawless, but that doesn't mean her plan is terrible.
- Also, it should be stressed that her end-goal wasn't to make them end up together. She had, in the first film, brought him into the crosshairs of the cult she started, who as explained here get a 'second chance' every two years, so her end-goal was to protect him from their return and future attacks. To do that, she needed him to lose his virginity so he'd no longer be touchable by the cult. Meanwhile, her first charge, Phoebe, was just released from a detention facility, who she wanted taken care of and protected; as Bee knew better than anyone, Cole was a kind, honest boy who could also be deceivingly capable in the face of adversity. It wasn't like she spent two years wanting to pair these two kids together, more likely than anything she learnt about Phoebe's then-upcoming release and transfer to his school and threw together the plan to save his soul and ensure Phoebe's protection.
- Cole's survival had nothing to do with his strength, it was dumb luck almost every time: He killed John by accident, Max died due to combination of the floorboards of Cole's treehouse collapsing beneath his weight and having egg yolk on his hands (thanks to Jeremy egging Cole's face). Cole's only intentional kill was Sonya and even that was mostly luck. The only way Bee could possibly think he wouldn't be killed was if she thought her friends really were too inept to handle a 12 year old. Which they most certainly would have had it not been due unforeseen circumstances each time.
- Bee also does try to shoot Cole down with a shotgun after he leaves Max hanging.
- A: It retcons her motivation from the original film, which was to gain strength. There was no mention of anything having to do with Phoebe.
Trusting Bee
- Since Bee blew Allison's head off with a shotgun, why does Allison still trust her enough to drink the blood?
- Perhaps after Cole crushed Bee with a car, Bee convinced Allison that she's now up for killing Cole again.
Trusting Bee II
- Bee makes an appearance in a flashback manipulating Melanie, convincing her to get a billion Instagram followers. Ignoring any possible affection or loyalty to Cole, after the events of the first film, why would Melanie trust Bee to give her advice after she and Cole spent the previous night hiding in her bathroom, because Bee was trying to kill them? Did Melanie forget that this was the same woman who tried to hunt down two 12-year olds with a shotgun?
- Seeing that Melanie was quickly on board with Plan Kill Cole, she clearly threw her morals out the window.
- The question had nothing to do with Melanie's morality. The question was: Why would she listen to someone who tried to kill her? It doesn't make sense, especially considering Bee succeeds in killing her at the end of Killer Queen.
Lets Split Up Gang
- Seeing the last time they split up to hunt Cole down went bollocks up, why didn't the cultists stick together on their hunt for him and Phoebe this time?
- Seeing how Laughably Evil and generally idiotic the cultists are, they could have seen hunting Cole as a game or a sport, with how Allison and Max took time to chat with Cole.
Why is the gang back?
- Why did Melanie resurrect Max, John, Allison and Sonya? From her limited interactions with them, she clearly doesn't like them and vice versa. Wouldn't it be less complicating for her to complete the ritual on her own (and with Jimmy and Diego)?
- Best answer is that it's on Bee's orders, since the old members were going to come up from Limbo to attempt to complete the ritual anyway. What better way to sequester the previous members of the blood cult by forcing the new members to work with them, on Bee's orders, especially if you plan on betraying them so to make sure they won't be after him again in another two years?
Where did they go?
- Even if Bee had cleaned up all the bodies, the blood and everything in the first movie, wouldn't her, Sonya, Allison, Max and John disappearing raise any questions with their families and friends?
- Maybe they faked their deaths before they went to the house?
How did he get away?
- If Cole was believed to be making everything up, wouldn't he face juvie for wrecking his house with a car?
- Perhaps his parents were able to pull enough strings that their son got nothing but community service.
Why involve Melanie?
- Seriously, what was the point of recruiting Melanie? If Bee cared so much about Cole and never intended to kill him, why would she hurt him by turning his childhood friend evil, then set her up to be killed? Especially since Melanie saved Cole's life. Shouldn't Bee have been grateful to her?
- I think Phoebe is the one she truly cares about and she wants to set her up with a good man. And since Cole and Melanie are clearly into each other (with Bee even encouraging him to go out with her in the first film), it's possible she did it just to prevent Cole from hooking up with Melanie instead of Phoebe. Collateral damage, Coley.
- It is also possible Bee knew Melaine would go bad sooner or later given how her father treats her, don't forget the weirdly incestious-like behavior in the 1st film.
- So suddenly Bee's psychic now? She didn't even know who Melanie was 'til Cole pointed her out.
- And Bee apparently made a deal with the Devil to keep Phoebe alive. And she formed the blood cult out of people who clearly weren't really the kindest of people. So, maybe she did have a little insight given to her by the Devil, being able to see who was corrupt/could be corrupted, and used that ability to approach those for the blood cult (unless you happen to think she got on the Internet and proceeded to post an open call for any and all psychos who want to be a part of a blood cult, didn't mind possibly killing people and willing to sell their souls for the devil).
- The movie shows us how Bee recruited them.She literally showed up (seemingly at random) and asked if they wanted to join her. There was no indication of the devil providing her with any sort of insight on any of them.
- I think Phoebe is the one she truly cares about and she wants to set her up with a good man. And since Cole and Melanie are clearly into each other (with Bee even encouraging him to go out with her in the first film), it's possible she did it just to prevent Cole from hooking up with Melanie instead of Phoebe. Collateral damage, Coley.
Post-sex
- After Cole and Phoebe's round of Chesterfield rugby (AKA fucking), why aren't they undressed or sweaty the next time we see them?
- Easy: Because they're both 14, which is also the reason they used a dance sequence as metaphor for them doing the deed. Parents and movie audiences in general would've had fits had they shown any actual semblance of two tweens having had sex.
- A Watsonian explanation is that you don't need to strip naked to have sex, specially in the circumstances they were in. At most they probably dropped their pant to their ankles. As for the sweat, you could say the same thing abut the entire rest of the movie, as they spend most of it exerting a lot of effort without sweating all that much.
The cover up makes no sense
- So let's just let the mess the events of the first movie caused slide and assume Bee is just really good at cleaning up, or maybe Satan helped out or something. But even if no bodies were left behind, how would nobody realize that 9 people are missing?? (That's the 6 teens, the 2 cops killed, and the paramedic Bee is implied to kill in [1].) Those people all presumably had family and a life, and people would be able to match up what happened. Heck, Cole literally called two cops to his house and they were never seen again, wouldn't that alone be a giveaway something happened? This plotline makes zero sense unless we assume they were erased from everyone's mind except Cole's and Melanie's, and all traces of their existence were also magical away. If that's the case it brings up a whole different set of confusing questions.
