[[folder:Can't Troi Shoot Straight?]]
* Minor one, during Deanna's search for the Scimitar by mind-locating the viceroy. Why the need to play handsies with Worf? Didn't she go through a long and taxing bridge commander test way back when? Surely there was a chapter involving manning the tactical console.
** That was on a Galaxy-class ship, though, and by Nemesis it's been ten years since then. There is probably a recertification process for bridge officers (especially when transitioning to an entirely different class) and it doesn't seem out of character for Troi (who struggled so hard the first time and clearly didn't require it to fulfill her duties beforehand) to quietly opt-out
** Alternatively, considering its a major tactical situation, maybe it was more efficient? The battle was unlikely to be decided by that one shot, so as soon as the Scimitar decloaked, Worf would have to take back over anyway and they'd lose valuable seconds in Troi stepping aside and him stepping up compared to her just taking her hand away. Also, if the Scimitar was able to recloak again, they'd have to do it all over again, costing more seconds. Also, iirc (unless I'm remembering fanon as canon) - doesn't the LCARS interface used in TNG era ships mean that each officer can reconfigure the interface to their personal preferences? Maybe Worf's preferences are non-standard and to avoid confusion, Troi was also using her abilities on Worf to direct him rather than trying to figure out the console herself.
[[folder:I Hate the Romulans So Much that I will Defeat Their Greatest Enemy!]]
* Shinzon has a grudge against the Romulans for creating him, lumbering him with a genetic disease, and consigning him to a life of misery in the Reman mines. Therefore, he wants to utterly annihilate... er, Earth.
** This was explained somewhat in the chunk of footage that was left on the editing room floor. Shinzon's lifespan was going to be pretty short even if he had succeeded in stealing Picard's blood, and he in fact killed most those responsible for his creation when he took out the Romulan Senate. His main goal was in fact to go down in history by destroying Earth, which would bring about the collapse of the Federation government and pave the way for a full-scale Romulan invasion. A bit of a hackneyed motive to be sure, but it makes ''much'' more sense than what we got.
** His talk about the Remans being a race "bred for war" implies that he and they are basically a bunch of [[BloodKnight Blood Knights]] who want to start a war, this time on their own terms and not as slaves of the Romulan Empire. By extension they can be read as trying to show the Romulans up, taking out the Federation in one shot after centuries of similar Romulan plots failed. It's still pretty vague, though.
** The Enterprise received six positronic signals, but only one of Data's components (his postrionic brain) would register such a signal. Each of B-4's parts also apparently has its own power source, if the "zombie hand from the sand" is any indicator.
[[folder:Today is Not a Good Day to Die]]
* Why isn't Worf the one to go on the suicide run on the Reman ship? He lived through the last big war, and his religion actually ''requires'' him to seek a glorious death. In the other movies Picard being the one to go in is due to circumstances or necessity, but here it makes no sense.
** Because he was still fighting off the Reman boarding party and in the novelization, a bad disruptor hit forced him into Sickbay; he was completely occupied in either case. Plus, he wasn't even on the bridge when Picard announced this decision, so he couldn't object even if he wanted to.
[[folder:All Too Easy]]
* Shinzon's MilitaryCoup makes very little sense in terms of the larger ''Franchise/StarTrek'' setting. How did the conspirators manage to get their conspiracy past the Tal Shiar, the ''notoriously'' intrusive StateSec agency of the Romulan Star Empire (who in particular have a nasty InterServiceRivalry with the regular military)? How were they planning to pass a human off as praetor to the frankly [[FantasticRacism quite racist]] Romulans, and how were they to explain where in the hell he came from and why he's using what ought to be SlaveMooks as his private army?
** They literally state earlier in the movie that he must have had Romulan collaborators.
** Presumably the order of events were 1) the Remans (and Shinzon) fight in the Dominion War as slave mooks and acquit themselves well, earning some respect from the regular military as well as opportunities to gain contacts with Romulans that might be amenable to working with them while the Tal Shiar is distracted by the massive ongoing conflict, 2) that meant that there were enough Romulans in the military who might be willing to listen to at least ''one'' of Shinzon's ideas for the future, whether the 'make the Remans more equal to the Romulans so their talents can be harnessed better against the enemies of the Romulan Star Empire', 'Destroy the Federation, our hereditary enemy' or 'Bring down the Tal Shiar's influence' (since at the very least they failed to stop the coup), 3) Shinzon might even have ''told'' some of his potential Romulan conspirators of his short life-span, meaning he wasn't going to be praetor for very long regardless of what happens, 4) the Tal Shiar was likely initially thrown into some confusion by the destruction of the Senate since it both killed their nominal superiors and might well have killed the actual leader of the Tal Shiar, and by the time they got things into order again, the Reman-augmented military was already in control. The Tal Shiar might well have been preparing for a counter-coup, perhaps using the fact that a human was in charge as a rallying cry... but Shinzon's regime fell apart in a matter of days thanks to his obsessions as it was ''anyway''.
[[folder:''Admiral'' Janeway?]]
* Admittedly, he doesn't want the promotion, but in what just universe is Captain Jean-Luc Picard, savior of the Federation on more than one occasion, taking orders from a two-bit vice-admiral who was ''not even born'' when he was promoted to Captain and managed to screw up the one mission she had been officially given by Starfleet in seven years of Captaincy? (That is, search, locate, and apprehend a ship containing marquis and crew.) What does this say about the quality of Starfleet's Admirals???
** Picard was offered promotion to admiral TWICE during TNG. He turned it down both times, because he liked being a starship captain and didn't want a desk job. It was also hinted (but not directly stated) that he had been offered admiral even before he took command of the 1701-D. It's also very likely (but again not directly stated) that he was offered admiral again during the Dominion War (also turning it down). When Janeway got back from the Delta quadrant, it was shortly after the Dominion War ended (a war that caused the Federation to lose a LOT of people). Starfleet was a lot more desperate for people then, and Janeway just happened to take the first promotion that was offered her, while Picard didn't. It's also very likely that Janeway was KickedUpstairs, because while she did get Voyager home, she was never a very effective captain or leader. Also, at the end of Generations, Kirk WARNED Picard. "Don't let them promote you or transfer you. You belong on the bridge of that ship." Kirk had firsthand experience with losing his starship command by being promoted to Admiral.
** That they reward people who unite two hostile crews, cross a considerable portion of a hostile, uncharted quadrant, making friendly contact with dozens of species, saved the galaxy from a species from another dimension or two and crippled the Borg? And they don't punish people for getting grabbed by hyper advanced technology against their will. And hell, she DID bring them back like she was supposed to.
** Some people, like Website/SFDebris, have theorized that Janeway had gotten so exhausted after many years stranded in the Delta Quadrant that she couldn't ''bear'' to take another command, let alone immediately after finally getting home. Or that she was KickedUpstairs to get rid of her.
** Also, Starfleet may have figured that Picard is far more useful out there "on the field" than chained to a desk job. Picard has been the best at being the flag ship's captain since Kirk, and they want to profit from that as long as possible.
** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWank.
*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.
*** But this is a headscratcher, not a WMG, so unless there's any evidence that she was court-martialed in-universe (wether canon or at least expanded universe) then this is just fans expressing their hatred toward the character instead of properly respond a headscratcher.
[[folder:Shinzon Seems a Little...Confused]]
* Did [[Film/StarTrekNemesis Shinzon]] even ''have'' a motivation other than creating action scenes? The Romulans abused him, so he wants to conquer Earth and bring glory to their empire? His needing Picard's blood is apparently supposed to explain why he wants to blow the ''Enterprise'' into tiny pieces. Why didn't he just explain that he needed a sample of Picard's blood to live and ''ask nicely''?
** No he did not. That's part of why Nemesis was so badly received. Even Marina Sirtis and [=LeVar=] Burton said it sucked.
*** Personal take: After [[DroppedABridgeOnHim dropping a bridge]] on the Rommie senate, he's basically the boss of the Empire. He wants to kaboom Earth because it's Federation Central, and the Feds are the main threat to his new-found property.
*** Except the Feds ''aren't'' a threat to him. They were enemies of the ''Romulans'' not Shinzon, and Shinzon had no reason to suspect the Feds had any ill will towards him at all.
*** The Federation weren't the enemies of the Romulan ''species''. They were enemies because the Romulan Empire was a large and aggressive military power that had previously shown a willingness to foment wars between other governments for their own gain. They have no reason to assume that Shinzon's administration would be any different, so they have no reason to back down on their defenses. They would probably prefer it if the Romulan Empire collapsed entirely. Shinzon knows this, so he considers the Federation a threat to his power.
*** Plus, he had the help of Romulans in seizing power - most likely he said "if you support me as Praetor, I'll lead our military to the victories you've always wanted" or something like that.
*** Shinzon's crazy, man.
** It was my understanding that taking what he needed from Picard would have resulted in Picard's death, as I recall it being said that he needed a full transplant. Picard needs to have some blood and marrow. I imagine they could have tried cloning the blood and marrow once they had enough (disregarding that cloning got them in this mess in the first place), but it would have still been a major and risky operation for Picard. Also, Shinzon was nuts.
*** If Shinzon was reasonably intelligent he could have easily taken what he wanted from Picard and the movie would be 10 minutes long. Just think about it. He has a ship that can fire when cloaked, so all he needed to do to get Picard was fire on the enterprise when cloaked taking out it's shields, beam Picard aboard and warp away.
*** Shinzon was too caught up in his own ego and in studying his progenitor to take the direct approach. At least once in the course of the movie, his Viceroy urges him to speed things along, but he's too busy being angsty. And [[MindRape mindraping]] Deanna for no reason.
*** Which goes back to my point that he's an idiot and [[JustEatGilligan the movie would be 10 minutes long if he was not.]]
*** It's called hubris, and it's a common ailment among fictional characters.
*** Among very bad and poorly written ones. It's not like with Khan, who also made much smaller mistakes due to his own ego and desire for vengeance, because he was still very competent and clever and our heroes still had to earn their victory. Shinzon's over confidence is so huge, he's absolutely incapable to get anything done and the only actual menace he creates comes from plot convenience and stupidity of our heroes. We never see him do anything actually clever, that would prove he isn't really that stupid and it's just his hubris that is preventing him from achieving his goals.
*** Shinzon wanted to be as great a hero to the Romulans (or at least the Remans) as Picard is to his people. The biggest thing you can do for the Romulans, especially according to an angry youth living in the shadow of a human, is overthrow the increasingly pacifistic government and hijack the military for total annihilation of Earth, AKA Federation City.
*** In that case, it might have made more sense to attack Qo'noS. The Federation has a history of going far out of its way to maintain peace, and may try to do so even after the Romulan Empire attacks their Klingon allies--especially in the wake of the Dominion War. The Klingons, having suffered heavily in that conflict, are probably still in a weakened state and unable to fight a long-term defensive war.
** The scenes that would have explained Shinzon's motive were actually chopped out. According to those scenes, even if Shinzon had gotten the transplant he needed, it would have added only another decade or so at most to his life, since his genetics were still pretty badly warped. Therefore he wanted to do something '''big''' in the time that he did have, to ensure that his name would go down in history. His plan was to use his big badass ship to take out the Federation government and Starfleet Command on Earth, then launch a full-scale invasion. It's not a particularly original motive, but it shows that the screenwriter had at least put some thought into it - it just so happens that the producer and director thought it wasn't really ''that'' important to give their villain ("The best since Khan!") a backstory and a motive.
[[folder:B-4 and Other Silly Names]]
* Picard says B-4's name is typical of Noonien Soong's clever naming schemes, but Data and Lore refer to types of information, and B-4 is just AOLSpeak. B-4 is supposed to have less neural development, but should be just as intelligent and capable as any android lacking in personality, but instead he acts like a child, so he's meant to act this way for now until he gets out of this state naturally or by upgrading. Why do we care about B-4 as a new character if he's not much more than a Deus Ex Machina? Why do we care about Data's death if B-4 is an obvious way to negate most of it? The movie was hyped as a huge status quo change, but the end just sets up a reset switch.
*** And the switch is tripped sometime between Nemesis and the Abrams tie-in comic. B-4 is dead, and Data has his body.
*** B-4 is not dead, according to the Star Trek Online tie in novel he's just a hologram now. When Starfleet tried to "revive" Data, Data's ethical programming kicked in because reviving Data in B-4's body would overwrite B-4. Data tried to erase himself from B-4's systems to prevent this but Starfleet, which desperately needed Data to solve some crises or another, started feeding B-4/Data information on this crises. B-4 (who is smarter then everyone gives him credit for)saw how much his brother was needed changed a single line of Data's "suicide program" so it erased B-4 instead. Of course, Starfleet (Who are also much smarter then everyone gives them credit for) made a holographic backup of B-4 so he's now alive and a hologram. (It's pointed out he's stuck in the holodeck, but Data promised to assist in building him a new body and besides B-4 is apparently quite happy in the holodeck anyway since he really doesn't have any aspirations or desires.)
** For that matter, what kind of freaks were Dr. Soong's parents, to name him "Noonien" in the first place? Noonien was ''Khan's'' first name ... Khan Noonien Singh, augmented tyrant and war criminal, whose surname is already just one vowel's-worth of pronunciation away from "Soong". So isn't that a lot like a Mr. and Mrs. Hetler tagging their kid "Adolf"...?
*** You know Adolf is still a very common name, right?
*** Both Khan Noonien Singh and Noonien Soong were named after a real person named Kim Noonien Singh, a pilot that Gene Roddenberry served with during UsefulNotes/WW2. Taken from Wikipedia: Khan's full name was based on that of Kim Noonien Singh, a pilot Gene Roddenberry served with during the Second World War. Roddenberry lost touch with his friend and had hoped that Khan's similar name might attract his attention and renew his old acquaintance.
*** Khan was a dictator and a tyrant, but he wasn't a monster (at least not until his wife died). Even then he never got as bad as Hitler. And as revealed in ''Enterprise'', the Soong family had ties to the Augments. Possibly the name just got passed down.
*** It's more like tagging their kid "Napoleon" or "Alexander". Khan was a tyrant but he wasn't genocidal.
*** Khan nuked Iran and a couple of other third world countries under the pretense he was doing them a FAVOR... not genocidal? He believed all the non-augments were basically bugs to enslave or crush as he desired...
*** Whaaaat? "Space Seed" specifically states otherwise: KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring....SCOTT: There were no massacres under his rule. SPOCK: And as little freedom. MCCOY: No wars until he was attacked.
*** Not to praise Khan, but canon tells us he did nothing that approaches genocide.
*** In a rare instance of something good coming out of ''Enterprise'' the explanation could plausibly be; Data's creator's grandfather was an augmented humans nut and conceivably named his son Noonien Soong /because/ of the similarity, with Data's creator being Noonien Soong Jr. Now why the Kirks named their son 'Tiberius' on the other hand....
*** Arik Soong is actually Noonien Soong's ''great''-grandfather. So maybe Dr Noonien Soong is named after his grandfather, Arik's son -- it's not an uncommon practice.
*** Also, not all evil tyrants have ruined their first name. Stalin was responsible for millions of deaths, but there are still plenty of people named Joseph.
[[folder: Again, ''ADMIRAL'' Janeway?]]
* How in blue hell did Janeway make Admiral before Picard?
** Picard was offered admiral TWICE on-screen in TNG, and turned it down both times, because he wanted to be a starship captain rather than have a desk job. It's implied that he was offered a promotion prior to taking command of the Enterprise, and again during the Dominion War and likewise didn't accept it. On the other hand, when Janeway returned from the Delta Quadrant, it was in the aftermath of the Dominion War (a war that cost Starfleet a lot of people) and they were rebuilding. So Janeway was just KickedUpstairs, and unlike Picard she took the desk job. Janeway was not a very good captain or a very effective leader, and she was clearly more interested in authority than command anyway.
** Very, very easily answered. Say what you like about Janeway, she was able to get what was a small scout/exploration ship across 70,000 light years (effectively crossing half the galaxy) with a small crew supplemented with terrorists without getting most of them killed, made first contact with dozens of species, survived encounters with the Borg (and worse) and mapped a whole chunk of previously-unmapped space to boot. I'm not surprised Starfleet's response was 'that was a hell of a command', recognized that she'd done the best job possible and offered her a promotion. Remember that none of the other ships that went missing from the Badlands ever returned). Janeway struck me as a career-minded officer, unlike Picard or Kirk, who both enjoyed commanding ships but not the idea of desk jobs as Admirals. So it makes sense she'd accept whereas Picard probably turned down more promotion opportunities than Riker did commands. It's even said by an Admiral in Best of Both Worlds (quite an early TNG episode) that they are on ship command offer number three for Riker, he just won't accept because he views any non-Enterprise command of his own as rather a step down (or maybe sideways). Most of the hatred for Janeway being an Admiral was just hot air, it actually made perfect sense. It's also not as if Janeway's lines imply she is Picard's direct superior, she was simply delivering orders (from-the-top orders) via a communication.
** There are good answers below, but come on, this one's easy: [[Film/StarTrekGenerations Picard took Kirk's advice to heart.]] He probably got offered more admiralties than Riker was offered ship commands (and we know that's saying a lot), but he turned it down every single time because Picard realized that, like Kirk, his "first, greatest destiny" is captaining a starship. Meanwhile, after seven years of wandering out in the cold, Janeway would take a desk job at Starfleet HQ in a ''heartbeat''.
*** While it isn't strictly canon, the extended universe novels established that Picard had a very drastic fall from grace with Starfleet Command after the events of ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''--probably only keeping his command because he was ''THE'' Jean-Luc Picard. And if you look at the facts of his career out of context, it's not hard to see why some of the brass might be wary of him--and I'm not even talking about Wolf 359. How many prominent Starfleet admirals worked closely with Picard over the years and ended up ruined, in prison, or worse? We know the kind of man Picard is, and that every one of those officers did it to themselves, but someone who's only met Picard in passing might not see that. And that could very easily be true for quite a bit of his conduct over the years. In fact, one of those ruined admirals pretty much made that exact point in ''The Drumhead:''
--->'''Admiral Norah Satie''': Would it surprise you to learn that you have violated the Prime Directive a total of nine times since you took command of the ''Enterprise''? I must say, Captain, it surprised the ''hell'' out of me.
** Starfleet realized they had to get her OUT of the Captain's chair as fast as possible.
*** Why not just fire her ass? Or let her teach stellar cartography at the Academy? Her promotion puts MORE people under her command!
*** It would be very hard to fire her, that's just the way all government bureaucracies work. The cartography thing would have been a good idea, though.
*** Perhaps something other than cartography, though. The defining moment of her career was getting really, really, ''really'' lost.
*** As an Admiral with a desk job, all of her orders and communications would be a matter of public record, and she'd be heavily scrutinized. It's sort of a combination of KickedUpstairs and PromotedToScapegoat / ReassignedToAntarctica. And as the above troper mentioned, there was no way in hell they were ever going to let her command a starship again. Everyone knows starship captains make the real plot changing decisions in Star Trek, and that Admirals are really only there as window dressing. Really it's an example of Starfleet Command being clever.
*** Here you go Katey, try not to lose the desk.
*** The Dilbert Principle (look it up on Wikipedia). Besides, considering the fine tradition among Trek captains to decide that the rules are closer to guidelines, there may be more people under Janeway's command but very few of them are actually ''listening'' to her.
*** Is there any indication that in-universe Janeway is as hated as she is in TV Tropes? Cause otherwise this whole headscratcher is kind of pointless.
** I think that in the EU books, everyone got bumped up a rank or two. That would put Janeway straight in the Admiral Section. Besides, under her command, Starfleet made first contact with dozens (if not hundreds) of species, has more information about the Delta Quadrant than it ever could have possibly gained through any other means, and she's acquired technology that will have Federation scientists entertained for years to come. Besides, Picard's probably been offered promotions left and right for years; he just declines them. Look at Riker, who was offered ships left and right throughout his career and chose to stay on the Enterprise. And, of course, Kirk told him not to accept a promotion, and you don't argue with James Tiberius Mother Fucking Kirk.
*** Point taken re: Kirk. If Janeway was just an admiral in the EU, I wouldn't mind so much, but having her pop up and order Picard around in ''Nemesis'', well...
*** I'm sure there are also a ''lot'' of high-level bureaucrats who still resent Picard for wiping out much of Starfleet and killing thousands of their subordinates, friends, and family members at the Battle of Wolf 359. Even if he were inclined to accept a promotion, I doubt any would be forthcoming after that, no matter how many times he singlehandedly saves the Federation's bacon.
*** "Much of starfleet" is an exaggeration, caused by the people writing TNG at the time having no idea how big a fleet something like Starfleet would require to be operational over an area as big as the Federation. The Dominion War showed a much better scale of numbers, and from that size, the ships lost at Wolf 359 would not be considered a high amount at all. Plus Picard has been offered promotions, he turns them down.
*** Mind you, when Wolf 359 happened, the Alpha and Beta Quadrants were more or less at peace. Starships are probably ''expensive'', space socialist utopia or not, and that's a ''lot'' of people that could be occupying themselves with doing something useful instead of crowding the cosmos. Around the time when the Borg attacked, Starfleet would quite possibly have been more like a cross between the Coast Guard and NASA than the Pacific Fleet of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. The Borg attacked, cleaned Starfleet's clocks, and along with the Romulans and Cardassians stirring up trouble in later seasons and leading into ''Deep Space Nine'', Starfleet has probably been on a huge expansion program until we see the massed fleets mixing it up on ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]''. But back at Wolf 359? We probably saw quite a bit of Starfleet's experienced cadre of officers get atomized and assimilated there.
*** The EU books actually give a pretty good explanation as why and how Starfleet went from being the Coast Guard/NASA to the Pacific Fleet rather quickly. They keep a large number of reservists on hand (basically everyone who put on a uniform for more than 30 seconds, and they actually had been building ships at a steady rate which were basically put away for a rainy day. These ships were basically stripped down versions of their active counterparts (for example the Galaxy-class stripped down versions did not have all the science equipment and other "comforts" like the gardens or holodecks)The ships were then stored at various locations around the Federation needing only basic crew and maybe a little maintenance to be fully functional again. Sort of like how the US military keeps a large stockpile of Abrams M1 tank hulls sitting around.
** My theory is that Janeway's promotion is due to her post-mission debriefing after Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant being the most epic act of perjury in galactic history. And the crew would obviously back her up (as its in ''their'' best interests to present only the best side of their little trip and 'forget' about the ten trillion or so court-martial offenses they're all guilty of), except for the holodoc, who can be memory-edited. So, Starfleet only knows that Janeway had the most successful trip ever, and ''doesn't'' know about all of Voyager's stupid mistakes. Shazam, promotion.
*** Ten trillion court-martial offenses? When was this?
*** She is in the very least guilty of killing a member of her crew for dubious reasons in the episode Tuvix which is almost definitely not allowed, she allowed children to be killed because she believed a very clearly bullshit story about how a species ages backwards, and she did work with Vidian pirates in a few episodes which the Federation almost certainly won't approve of.
*** There was that incident of attempted murder when she was interrogating that crewman from from the Starship ''Equinox''.
*** The actual # is of course an exaggeration, but the "[[http://www.cynicscorner.org/ Cynics' Corner]]" Voyager review site didn't have a category labelled 'Court-Martial Offense of the Week' for no reason.
** Because Picard doesn't want to be an admiral. He was actually offered a promotion to admiral in one episode (complete with a position as Headmaster of Starfleet Academy). He refused both. Picard likes exploring space, he doesn't want to be tied to a desk job on Earth.
*** And, on the other side, after all Voyager went through, one can hardly blame Janeway for finding a certain appeal to a nice solid desk and a house in San Fransisco.
** I think it's necessary to cut some slack for Janeway, after all she was a rookie captain; mistakes were bound to be made. When Picard got the Enterprise, he'd been captain for like 20 years by that point, Kirk had also been in the big chair for a while by the time Original Trek began. Archer was a rookie captain as well, and he was even more a ditz than Janeway.
*** IIRC, TOS starts off not very far into Kirk's first year as a starship commander. I think 'Rookie' is appropriate.
*** Kirk was a rookie and it does show a little, but they put him in command of the Enterprise for a reason. He was the best. Janeway got a much smaller science ship, because she was not the very best.
*** It should be noted that ''Enterprise'' wasn't Kirk's first command. Scattered remarks throughout the series indicate that Kirk had a very brief stint commanding an unnamed starship prior to his taking command of ''Enterprise'' [[note]] Some ''Trek'' novels identify that vessel as the USS ''Aloia'', a ''Miranda''-class ship.[[/note]].
*** It is extremely unlikely that the Miranda class is of a similar age to the pre-refit Constitution class given how the entire line is going to be decommissioned in a few decades time even with retrofitting whereas the Miranda is still going strong by the late 24th century. And what is the only other ship class we know of that has lasted a similar length of time? The Excelsior, introduced as brand new but one film later (which in-universe is only a matter of days). It seems more probable given how we know both ships to be obsolete by the mid 24th that Kirk flew a Constellation-class similar to Picard's ''Stargazer'' or a Soyuz-class as seen in ''Cause and Effect.''
*** Granted that it's counter intuitive, but canonical evidence strongly indicates that the ''Miranda''-class is significantly older than the ''Constellation''-class. The USS ''Reliant'', the first ''Miranda'' that we ever see on-screen, was operating as early as 2267, as evidenced by her registration number being seen on a fleet status display in ''TOS'': "Court Martial." The oldest ''Constellation''-class ship that we've seen, the USS ''Hathaway'', was constructed almost two decades later in 2285, according to her dedication plaque. That just happens to be the same year that ''Reliant'' was attached to Project Genesis, meaning that we can't just write off the reference in "Court Martial" as a careless ContinuitySnarl. It confirms that ''Constellation''-class ships were still rolling off of the assembly line well into the ''Miranda''-class's service life. In fact, the ''Soyuz''-class's very existence seems to add credence that idea, because the ''Miranda'' and the ''Soyuz'' are quite obviously two variants of same basic space frame.
*** True, but the regulations for Starfleet captains were apparently much looser in Kirk's day than in TNG. Hell, they didn't even ''have'' a Prime Directive in TOS.
*** Sure they did. Kirk just ignored it whenever it proved inconvenient.
*** So, she was a rookie captain. That's fine, we don't think she's a terrible human being for that. But that's even ''more'' reason not to make her admiral the moment she gets back.
** Well, when Janeway returns home, all the higher-ups at Starfleet ask her: "What did you do out in the Delta Quadrant?" And she replies: "Made lots of first contacts, had sex with a Q, made a treaty with some aliens that were even more dangerous than the Borg to not attack us (and we even became friends!), oh, and those Borg guys? Yeah, I killed the queen and gave them a horrible virus that has probably killed off 99% of them. Oh, and here's all the fantastic data we've collected on the way for things like new warp drives, ship schematics, a few time travel devices..." How could they ''not'' make her an admiral? Or, they should have at least made her admiral of a Delta Quadrant/deep space fleet where she has the most experience.
*** Basically, beating up on the Borg for four years and living to tell the tale more than merited promotion. Besides, seeing some of the other officers that made Admiral over the years (the one in The Drumhead, for instance), Janeway doesn't look all that bad.
*** For what it's worth, I'm behind this one.
*** I always assumed Janeway no longer had a ship to command. The Federation probably took Voyager away to be studied by the finest minds in Starfleet. Even if they couldn't duplicate the technology, keeping a ship that powerful from falling into enemy hands just makes sense.
*** The biggest problem I had with it was the actual rank she held. According to the Star Trek wiki, Memory Alpha, ''Voyager's'' last episode was set in 2378, and ''Nemesis'' in 2379. In about one year, she went from captain to vice admiral. To put that in perspective, she was one promotion ahead of Jim Kirk in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''--some 15 years after he gave up command of the ''Enterprise''. This is no knock against Janeway, but after everything ''Voyager'' went through, Starfleet shouldn't have even been done debriefing her yet. She was given a ''HUGE'' promotion when, considering the seven years of stress and trauma, it shouldn't have yet been clear whether she was still fit for duty or not.
** Most likely, so Star Trek fans could go "Well, at least this film isn't Voyager."
*** Other way around, it was a big "F--- You!" to all the fans who were saying "at least this isn't Voyager", from the people who over the years heard fans going "we want less Neelix" and then went "sure, here is ''more'' Neelix" in response. This time it was fans going "thank god for Trek that isn't Voyager, we want to forget that", and so the response was "hey, heard you hate Voyager, here is Janeway a rank above your precious Picard, suck on that one!". The movie theatre I was at had people stand up and ''leave'' when Janeway came on screen. The thirty seconds or so Janeway was on screen for the Voyager fans (both of them) cost this film a huge amount in goodwill and probably contributed to its poor reputation as lots of fans were not prepared to cut it anymore slack after seeing her.
*** The nicest way I can put this is: ''If there are people so needlessly dramatic and butthurt, that the 30 second appearance of Janeway, caused them to get up and leave a movie (they'd paid for) - then there is very little argument that can be made for wasting any time attempting to court them as viewers. Lighten up Francis.''
*** This exactly. The problems with Janeway (and Voyager itself) all lie with the writers. The actors did the best job they could given the circumstances. Kate Mulgrew is actually a pretty good actress in her own right, and it was only due to her fighting that Janeway didn't end up 10 times worse than she was. She outright hated some of the things that her character was doing, asked for, and finally got some more measure of control over the character in the later seasons. I don't begrudge her a 30 second appearance in Nemesis.
** Star Fleet used to offer Picard promotions all the time. He kept turning them down. They gave up for a while. Same happened with Riker. He was always being offered his own command, but he would choose the Enterprise instead. He only quit and pursued his own command after he got married. Go figure.
** It's not the promotion that gets me, it's her area of command. What the ''hell'' is she doing overseeing diplomatic relations with the ''Romulans'' after being absent from the quadrant and its complex politics ''for seven years''? She was a scientist before becoming captain; why in god's name wouldn't she be heading up a division in any of: scientific research, deep-space exploration, the Borg (or Delta quadrant in general), or first contact? Nitty-gritty diplomatic encounters with Alpha Quadrant cultures whose relationship with the Federation goes back centuries is the ''exact opposite'' of everything she's shown expertise at in the last 15 years!
*** This troper I don't think she was in charge of diplomacy anymore then any other branch. She's either just happened to be the one on duty at the time or she just was the one selected to call Picard. Starfleet Command probably received the Romulan call for a diplomatic meeting, relayed it to the Federation Council and then the Federation Council (doubtlessly after some debate) called up Starfleet Command and told them to send somebody to take the Romulans up on their offer. Janeway just probably happened to be around at the time.
** For one thing, you need to pull back a little and realize that "Janeway got her ship lost in the Delta Quadrant" is more MemeticMutation than what actually happened. Her ship got pulled there through no fault of her own, just like a lot of other peoples' ships. Yes, she made a decision that wound up with them stuck there, but it's the sort of decision that Starfleet captains are expected to make, whether it was the right or wrong one. For another thing, I want you to consider this scenario: "Well, Captain Janeway, you've just brought back roughly two hundred people that most everyone thought were dead years ago, reuniting them with their families and friends, and ''their'' family and friends, who are not only mostly Federation citizens but at least some of whom are guaranteed to be prominent and/or politically powerful people by the law of averages if nothing else. You've even redeemed the son of one of our prominent admirals, who's also your mentor! ... YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!" Yeah, try finding the Starfleet officer who's willing to commit career suicide for ''that'' one. Whatever her fuckups, Janeway would have been perceived as a hero by the general public and a lot of prominent individuals, promoting her to admiral would have nicely served the purposes of both being perceived as an award and getting her the hell out of captaining starships.
** Q did it. He owed her one.
[[folder:Ten Forward-E?]]
* Has the Enterprise-E an area equivalent to Ten-Forward on the Enterprise-D? If so, did Guinan survive ramming the Scimitar?
** The Enterprise-E was designed to be much more military in its function than its predecessors, in recognition of the fact that the Federation was getting into a lot more fights than it used to (Borg, Dominion, etc.) I would imagine that an actual lounge would be considered superfluous, since unlike the holodecks, the only purpose it serves is recreation and would therefore be out of place on a ship of war. If she's around at all, Guinan may have been given a position as an adjunct counselor under Troi's supervision--just a theory, but it's the only one I can think of. Another possibility is that there is a lounge, it's just not located right at the front of the ship any longer.
*** Given that Guinan is never seen aboard the Enterprise-E, I'm guessing she's not on board at all. (In fact, we never see ''any'' civilians on the Enterprise-E.)
*** I'm assuming that she just [[Series/DoctorWho regenerated.]] And I don't mean that as a joke. I'm certain that Guinan is a Time Lord.
*** Also, plenty of warships have lounges. War is stressful. Hell, in the military, ''peacetime'' can be stressful. A place designated for blowing off steam and having a hot meal and a cold drink (or vice versa or whatever based on your personal preferences and/or BizarreAlienBiology) is very handy on warships. In any case, it could double as a training area/briefing room/improvised hospital area or whatever else you'd need a big room for. As mentioned elsewhere, they could easily have put the lounge anywhere, or just used the holodecks for the same purpose, or it's possible it's in roughly the same spot and we just haven't had a plot reason to go there yet.
*** The above point is supported within TNG itself, by the presence of Ten Forward (and Guinan herself) on board the alternate 1701-D in "Yesterday's Enterprise". It was more crowded (due to the ''Galaxy''-class being repurposed as a battleship/troop carrier), but still it was important to have a place to catch a break on an otherwise fully-militarized ship. And Starfleet never got ''as'' militarized in the Dominion War as they did in that timeline.
*** One episode of TNG made it clear that Guinan could/thought she could fight a Q, she has a sixth sense that can penetrate the 4th dimension and has a lifespan of hundreds of years. I realize the regeneration quote above is nothing more than a joke, but actually Al-Aurians having some form of incredible endurance may not be amazingly far-fetched. Slightly diminished by Soran dying during Generations but possibly justified in that the missile that blew up in his face contained a star-killing superweapon.
** Didn't Guinan stay in the Nexus in Generations?
*** That was just a shadow of her, a "fragment" left from when she was briefly inside the Nexus before being transported out by the ''Enterprise''-B.
*** She even cameos in Nemesis! Nothing to say she went with them after the wedding, mind.
[[folder:Didn't You End the Last Movie With Working Eyes?]]
* Why did [=LaForge=] have ocular implants again, when he finally got real eyes in the previous movie?
** It was explicitly stated that the effect wouldn't be permanent once [=LaForge=] was no longer under the planet's influence. Of course, why his optic nerves would degenerate for no reason after being repaired is never explained; it would be getting your car fixed, but having it break down again as soon as you leave the shop. But whatever.
*** That pretty much describes what happens every time I take my car to a mechanic. I swear they break shit on purpose to make you come back.
*** A better analogy would be to say that it would be like re-growing a severed hand, only to have it just fall off later. Geordi may have been born blind, but it isn't as though his optical nerves are under constant assault.
*** Depending on the nature of the disorder, they probably ''are'' constantly being damaged. It's a genetic disorder that affects the eyes themselves rather than the nerves (given that he has milky white cataracts covering his eyes when we see them without the visor), so his lenses are probably constantly forming congenital cataracts as they grow. The magic radiation's somehow repairing the existing damage, but without it, new, damaged cells gradually replace the ones the radiation fixed.
*** Way, way back in the early seasons, Geordi did in fact specify that his optic damage is a degenerative genetic disorder for which there is no treatment, and he's been blind since he was a child. Various EU stuff involving him backs this up, and even mentions other, similar disorders and that there's a variety of ways people have come up with to deal with it and other forms of blindness they can't fix easily. (One woman wore a vest with sensors covering it rather than something over her eyes.) So to put the above comparison in context, it's more like if you had a condition that made the muscles of your hand constantly atrophy until it was a shriveled claw, under the radiation the muscles grew back and you could use your hand, and when you left the radiation your hand shriveled up again.
[[folder:Prime Directive Doesn't Cover Dune Buggies]]
* When the Enterprise picks up B-4's distress signal they soon realize that the pieces are scattered on a planet inhabited by a pre-warp civilization. As established numerous times in the series and movies, this means the Prime Directive expressly forbids any cultural contamination. No-one must know about the existence of alien worlds or more advanced technologies... except Picard has a new dune buggy he wants to try out. They proceed to race around the desert collecting bits of android and then - when the locals show up with their sub-machine guns - fire energy weapons at them, potentially killing or at least seriously wounding several of their troops before summoning a giant flying shuttle and soaring away into outer space. Court Martials for all!
** Whispering grass, don't tell the trees, 'cause the trees don't need to know.
** I'd have to watch the movie again to be sure, but I don't remember them saying there was a pre-warp civilization there, just that it was a desert planet on the edge of Romulan space that was M-class but didn't have a civilization on it. Picard thus decided to take the dune buggy out because he felt like getting out of the ship and having some fun, and he had no reason to expect anyone to be there. I thusly assumed the Mad Max style bandits that attack them were actually some of Shinzon's goons that he'd alerted to be waiting for the Enterprise crew and have a go at them, since he knew they'd be by eventually. I could be wrong, but that's just how I always viewed that scene... they use lethal force because "Holy crap, are these guys even supposed to be here? Maybe they're space pirates or something. Whoever they are, they're trying to kill us!"
*** No, the dialogue explicitly states that the planet is inhabited by a pre-warp civilization that live in scattered bands.
*** Pre-warp civilization does not always mean pre-first contact civilization, is plausible (especially if they're near the Romulan space and Romulans, as far as I know, has no Prime Directive rule) that the civilization, though pre-warp, already was contacted by aliens.
** They say there arenít many aliens on the planet and theyíre presumably quite primitive so I assume they were expecting to never encounter them, to me early industrial means 19th century so perhaps they didnít realise the aliens were as advanced as they were. They must have had radar to detect them so quickly and be able to muster a response in time. Or perhaps these guys were some kind of desert bandits and it was unfortunate they saw the shuttle land. Either way whilst they possibly should have been more careful about avoiding the locals once they encountered them shooting their way out was the best option to preserve the prime directive. Better to have a bit of a mystery over the strange looking people seen only at a distance and the advanced tech seen by a few dozen people than actually getting captured and the aliens dissecting the enterprise crew and capturing the shuttle. The latter would cause far more disruption. Maybe Starfleet brought in a more sensible prime directive policy during the Dominion War, youíre not expected to die to defend it any more.
** [[TechnologyLevels Assuming that just because Earth's early industrial period didn't yet have machine guns, jeeps and radar, doesn't mean that these aliens wouldn't.]] Terrible example of the IdiotBall there, especially as the ''Enterprise'' should have had zero trouble using aerial surveillance alone in working out both their technology level and where their settlements were in relation to the Away team.
[[folder:Giant Shaft of Doom]]
* Riker deals with Shinzon's Viceroy by luring him into a Jefferies Tube, established in all other continuities as being snug crawlspaces sandwiched in between the decks of the ship. The two end up fighting on a precarious metal gantry over a huge chasm lit from below by a gigantic white light source. Where on the ship is this, exactly?
** The Holodeck, obviously.
** Keep in mind that the ''Enterprise'' had just rammed the ''Scimitar''. Where Riker and the Viceroy were likely became distorted by the impact, creating a gap in the decks/superstructure.
** Why the hell did Riker follow him at all? We know that ''Enterprise'' has forcefields that remain on-line even after it rams the ''Scimitar'', and I think it's safe to assume that there's more than one security team on the ship. Wouldn't the tactically correct thing to do have been to isolate the section that the Viceroy was in and send a squad or two in to deal with him?
*** The tactically correct thing to do would have been for Riker to have set his phaser's power pack to overload and chuck it down the Jeffries tube after the Viceroy. It's not like they have grenades...
*** The minor issue of the Viceroy mentally raping his wife might have had something to do with it.
*** Did Riker know that it was the Viceroy specifically?
*** Yes, Riker knew Troi told the Captain and he was standing right there. Which brings some fridge logic into play. Picard had to have known Riker would take that personally and that Shinzon would only either board himself or send his Viceroy. So why did he send Riker at all? Seems to be a bit of a liability there, not to mention a bad command decision. Now Picard could have been a little distracted at the time though, dealing with a insane clone of himself trying to kill everyone on Earth and all.
*** If memory serves, when ''Enterprise'' was boarded, Picard just said "Commander," and gave Riker a significant look. If you want to be charitable, you could argue that the captain never intended to send Riker at all; he just assumed that in a crisis, his XO knew enough to stay at his post. Busy as Picard was, he simply meant to delegate the task of sending in the grunts to deal with the intruders. I like to imagine him face-palming thirty seconds later when he realizes that his second-in-command isn't on the bridge anymore, and double-face palming when he notices Worf left, too.
** The Computer core, most likely.
[[folder:Where's the Saucer?]]
* The bridge is located on the top of the Enterprise's saucer section. When the view screen is destroyed and a large hole forms at the front of the bridge, the view out of the hole is what you'd see if the bridge were at the leading edge of the saucer - given how much bigger the Enterprise-E is than its predecessor you should be able to see the saucer curving away ahead of you.
** Not necessarily. It depends on how steep the curve of the saucer section is and how high above the saucer section the bridge window is.
** A nitpick about that scene, admittedly, but one that bugs me none the less: Doesn't it seem like everybody on the bridge should have been killed instantly by some combination of shrapnel, shock wave, and drastic increase of pressure followed by drastic loss of pressure? I'm happy to defer to anybody with ballistics, physics, or medical expertise, but it seems to me that the bridge crew dusted themselves off from that hit ''way'' too easily.
*** The whole depressurization thing is massively played up by most movies. [[http://spacepulp.thecomicseries.com/comics/308 This comic]] rather realistically portrays exactly how dangerous holing the hull would be in most spaceships; once the forcefield is up there's effectively a wall there so they don't need to worry about temperature or radiation issues either. As for shrapnel, it doesn't work like a video game, it's not an area of attack spell that hits everything in its cone, it's dispersed pieces and chunks of metal... it's very dangerous, yes, but it's not a guaranteed hit and kill. Adding to both of these and the question of the shockwave are "inertial dampeners"... they probably mitigated any shockwave, and may also have an affect on anything that tries to move too fast within certain areas of the ship, helping explain why the shrapnel wasn't a bigger problem.
*** OP, here, and I think I was stuck in a modern mindset where I imagined the damage being caused by an artillery shell, rather than an energy weapon--specifically, an anti-armor shell that's designed to kill everything inside of an armored target by using the hardened material against it through spalling. I couldn't get my head around the disruptor bolt dissolving the bulkhead through some means other than kinetic energy (though obviously it couldn't have vaporized it, as such, because that would have created an explosion that ''would'' have killed everyone on the bridge).
[[folder:Shuttle Transporters Out of Order?]]
* This is a common complain in a lot of Trek, but it's been established time and time again that shuttles and runabouts have their own transporter systems, making Data's space-jump to the Scimitar, not to mention his noble sacrifice, unnecessary.
** Not entirely. Someone had to stop the Thalaron weapon. Simply using the shuttle transporters to beam Picard back wouldn't have helped, as the weapon would still have fired and killed everyone on board. Someone had to sacrifice themselves to stop it.
*** Beam in, shoot guards, overload phaser, beam back out, PROFIT.
*** You don't even have to overload the phaser. Previous TNG episodes established that phasers can be set to fire automatically or even on a timer. Beam in, set phaser down, program it to fire in 30 seconds, beam out.
** It's possible that the hanger for the shuttlecraft (or the passages leading to it) was damaged during the battle, making it impossible for the craft to be launched, or for personnel to reach the hanger in the first place.
*** If you watch when LaForge was looking at the locations of the hull breaches three of them occur right in a line going though the main shuttle bay (which is right on the "neck" between the saucer and the engineering section by the way). The secondary shuttle bay (at the very back of the ship in the same location the Constitution-class kept it's main shuttle bay) was probably hit when Shinzon attacked the bottom of the ship to allow his boarding party to beam over. At the very least it would be impossible to get to the shuttles in the secondary bay a timely manner. ALTHOUGH on the other hand they know the transporters are good for at least one more transport, they could have beamed Picard to the secondary shuttle bay and he could have beamed in a whole security team and then beamed them all to the bridge of the enemy ship and won the entire fight in 10 seconds...
*** There's also the ''Cousteau'', ''Enterprise's'' captain's yacht. Given the yacht's bizarrely effective combat abilities in ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'', launching ''Cousteau'' to lay down fire on the crippled ''Scimitar'' in the hopes of disabling that ship's super-weapon--and maybe tow ''Enterprise'' out of the weapon's firing arc (we've seen a Starfleet runabout tow a Galor-class warship through the wormhole, so it's not that farfetched)--could have been a good idea. Admittedly, though, ''Cousteau'' is docked under ''Enterprise's'' quantum torpedo launcher, which was an area that likely drew a lot of fire, so the yacht may have been damaged as well.
[[folder:Dogfighting Ships]]
* Massive space ships weaving around like F-16s in a dogfight. Not saying it's not possible, especially given that all ships in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' run on {{Phlebotinum}} and will thus do whatever the writers and SFX guys want them to do.
** Not happening. The Scimitar is unbelievably maneuverable, but its supposed to be since it's the giant badass super ship. Even then, when it drops out of warp at the start of the fight, it overshoots the Enterprise and takes several seconds to bank around and return. The Enterprise is definitely less maneuverable, while the Mogai (Valdores) are more maneuverable than the Enterprise, which they should be, since they're a little over a quarter the size. You can get a good sense of how maneuverable the they all are based on how long it takes to make a turn compared to how fast its moving. To see what it looks like when massive space ships ARE buzzing around like fighters, check the first couple episodes of ''Star Trek Phase II,'' before someone told them they had this problem. [[http://youtu.be/ZVCXw1xJFJ4?t=39m20s Here's]] a quick link to a space scene.
[[folder:Weren't We Allies?]]
* This movie acts like the Federation-Romulan alliance formed in ''Deep Space Nine'' never happened.
** The US and USSR went back to hating each other a few months after World War II ended. It's not difficult to imagine the Federation and Romulans had the same falling out after the Dominion War.
** If we had skipped other series after the end of TNG and gone straight through the movies, the level of cooperation with Romulans by the end of the movie is a bit hard to believe--the reunification movement is way underground, and they had been shown as backstabbing jerkfaces almost every time they had been on screen (with one subversion, maybe a couple more, playing off audience expectations of this). With the (shaky) alliance from the Dominion War, however, it's a little more plausible that they would be willing to bury the hatchet for a moment and fight alongside the ''Enterprise'' for a ''strictly'' noble purpose. Or at least that's how I feel, having experienced the movies without seeing most of ''Deep Space Nine'' first.
** The Romulan military allied with Shinzon and killed the Senate precisely ''because'' of their alliance during the Dominion War; the military thought the Senate was going soft and becoming too friendly towards Earth. The movie opened with most of the Romulans responsible for the alliance dying horribly, and the Federation has no idea where it stands with the new regime. The ending showed that, despite Shinzon and the hardliners' efforts, most of the Romulans don't want to keep fighting the Federation and the hostilities really are ending for good (barring anything crazy happening, like [[spoiler:Romulus being destroyed by a freak supernova which [[Film/StarTrek opens a temporal rift that creates an alternate timeline]]]]).
*** Actually it was very clearly confirmed in an interview with the producers of the 2009 'Star Trek' film that everything in their film is occurring in an alternate version of the 'regular' Trek universe (Orci even mentioned that it was likely to be one of the 'quantum realities' that we saw in 'Parallels'). We have no confirmation that the Romulan Empire was even wiped out by the slower-than-light supernova (facepalm) in the 'Prime' universe.
*** We do. The confirmation was that the reality the Narada showed up in was an alternate timeline/reality, at the very least from the point the Narada showed up. Every other source consistently indicates that the Narada ''came'' from the 'Prime' universe. How ''much'' of the RSE was destroyed is less certain, though an unexpectedly FTL supernova would explain how it could 'threaten the galaxy' and take the Romulan government by surprise.
** My theory, the new Government of Cardassia realized that it would work out a lot better for them in terms of influence if they could split the Federation off from the Romulans. So they turned to a ''simple'' patriot who just happened to have nigh on incontrovertible proof that the Federation conspired to drag the Romulans into war on false pretenses and assassinate a Senator (with help from persons, sadly, unknown, of course). So relations got very frosty very quickly. Maybe that is why they have a superweapon, they were already gearing up for a war on the Federation as soon as they could manage to regenerate their losses from the first war.
[[folder:How Does Picard Even Know How to Drive a Dune Buggy?]]
* The off-roading scene. Picard mentioned being amazed in an episode of TNG when he saw automobiles in a holodeck fantasy, because automobiles were a thing of the past. Shouldn't people not even know how to drive anymore, because the automobile is obsolete? Then again, it has been established that the director of Nemesis never saw an episode of TNG.
** The dune-buggy scene ''was'' ridiculous, but the first season dialogue suggesting that holodecks were a whole new invention probably fell into BroadStrokes continuity, like the Ferengi's behavior; they've always acted since then like holodecks have been around for years (Voyager characters even talk about growing up with children's programs). At any rate, he's been playing Dixon Hill holodeck programs for several years either way, so automobiles wouldn't be a mystery to him anymore. Now, whether Picard would really be so overjoyed about going on a dune-buggy ride through the desert...
*** How about the Voyager episode "The 37s" where Kim mistakes a truck for an early hovercar? Dumb even by Harry's standards...
*** This is the same canon where television has apparently disappeared. It might be best to just forget that these things were ever mentioned.
** This actually becomes a wee bit less of a problem if we imagine that the obsolescence of the automobile refers to vehicles with internal combustion engines, rather than wheeled vehicles in general. The wheel won't necessarily outlive its usefulness in the future, and even if you invent a hovercar, it might be prudent to work in some wheels as a fail-safe, or whatever. The problem, however, is that the Starfleet jeep of ''Nemesis'' seems far too close to a contemporary vehicle in operation.
[[folder:Didn't All the Other Picards Die a Few Films Ago?]]
* During Data's wake at the end of the film, the remaining crew toast their fallen comrade... using a wine labelled ''Château Picard''. Huh? given how Picard's whole family was killed years before, who the hell is still bottling this stuff? clearly it isn't Jean Luc and Robert had no visible staff during ''Family'' - and given how his brother chastised Jean Luc's wine palette getting degraded by synthahol, I find it highly unlikely he actually kept bottles of the stuff just lying around his quarters.
** Eight years have passed between Generation and Nemesis... some high quality French wines (especially reds) are not meant to be served until decades have passed.
** Presumably Picard contacted whoever was handling the family affairs back home (the executor of the estate, or however laws work in the 24thC) after Generations and arranged for some staff to be taken on to keep things ticking over. It's unlikely he'd allow the last of the family legacy to vanish given how big he is on tradition.
** Also, the vintage of that wine bottle is 2267. Picard and Data share some of it in a deleted scene, but even in the finished film the label is fleetingly visible. So at the time, the wine is over a century old -- evidently the grapes of the future produce wine that is substantially longer lasting than those of today.
*** Or you know stasis fields...
*** That raises an interesting question. The value of wines is linked to their natural process of aging, which you could easily overturn in the 24th century.
** Picard certainly does drink synthahol for the most part, both because of availability and duty to not be seriously impaired at any time while captaining a ship. That doesn't mean he can't keep a decent sized collection or appreciate his family business. His dad was just complaining that he wasn't living and breathing wine every day, like him.
** Alright not only is this easily explainable, it's 100% canon. Probably something Mr. Baird missed excising all character and continuity moments from the film. At the end of the TNG episode "Family" as Picard is leaving, his brother Robert gives him a bottle of the family wine, with explicit instructions not to drink it alone. So after Data's passing, he opened it up, and he didn't drink it alone...but with family.
*** Nice thought, but in that scene Robert explicitly identifies that bottle as the '47. It seems just as likely it's the bottle Picard and Durken drink from in "First Contact."
** The simplest answer: In Generations, Picard only says that Robert and Rene burned in the fire. Marie, Robert's wife, survived (I believe she was the one who sent Picard the message about their deaths). It's likely she tended to the vineyards as much as Robert, so she probably stayed on at the vineyard. Just because she wasn't a Picard by birth doesn't disqualify her from being part of the family business.
[[folder:Our Slaves Know How to do Everything We Know]]
* We can possibly justify the super ship and weapon by saying that it was developed the Romulans[[note]]although that would raise questions about why the Romulan military didn't realize what Shinzon's plan was[[/note]] but how the heck did the Remans get taught advanced medical practices? For that matter when did they learn how to fly the most advanced ship around? The movie introduces them as a slave race that was used as cannon fodder in the Dominion War.
** These are slaves in the 24th century. You generally want your slaves to live long enough to be productive, and they have to be trained in certain tasks (like flight) if they're going to be fodder. Also, they built the ship, so they should know how to fly it.
*** We see nothing in the movie (nor do we hear anything) to suggest that the Remans were well educated. The flashback we get suggests that they were largely forced to mine for...something. Additionally the idea of fodder in space battle doesn't really make sense. Space isn't two dimensional for them to soak up damage and if they've been enslaved for most of their existence then arming them, teaching them how to fly combat ships and telling them to fight someone they have no quarrel with is an excellent way to make them switch sides.
*** Planetary engagements require foot soldiers. These foot soldiers need to be taught how to maintain their advanced weapons, communication equipment and so forth. You might even want them on the front line flying ships in certain obvious suicide missions. Not to mention their use as laborers in shipyards and other construction facilities. It's more unbelievable that they could construct a monster like the Scimitar in secret. That they could construct it in the first place is reasonable. As for switching sides, the Remans would only do that in the face of a better offer. With the Romulans likely maintaining a hold on the space fleet, they could glass Remus if their slaves got out of line.
*** They mention them being used as shock troops, presumably they were used for planetary conflicts like Marines. Instead of beaming down Romulan citizens just beam armed slaves down instead.
*** They didn't just build any ship, though. They built a ship that outclassed the ''Enterprise''-E in nearly every way. And keep in mind, Starfleet's mandate for the ''Sovereign''-class almost certainly contained some variation of the phrase "capable of engaging and defeating Borg vessels." In fact, there's every indication that the ''Scimitar'' outclasses contemporary Romulan warships--two of which it absolutely curb-stomped. Romulan warp drives are canonically slower than those employed by the Federation. In the series, a Warbird ''does'' manage to keep pace with the ''Enterprise''-D, but it was at the cost of irreparably damaging its engines. The ''Enterprise''-E is even faster than her predecessor, and the ''Scimitar'' was able to easily overtake her. It can also fire its weapons and operate its deflector shields while cloaked, which the ''Valdore'' and her sister ship were apparently incapable of doing. Designing and building a ship that much more advanced than anything in the Romulan or Federation fleet is something that would require a deep and comprehensive understanding of a variety of fields of engineering. Slaves--even slaves that are experienced in constructing warships--shouldn't be able to do it.
[[folder:''Enterprise'' Limo Service]]
* So at the start of the film, the entire ''Enterprise'' senior staff is taking time out for a wedding. Okay. Then they get on the ''Enterprise'' and set course for Betazed, for another wedding. Not okay. Who on Earth authorized Picard to use the ''Federation flagship'' as a glorified limousine? This isn't some diplomatic mission, they're literally just ferrying a bunch of people to a wedding. And not even an important wedding, one between two members of the ship's crew! Ever heard of shuttlecraft? Or are we supposed to assume the ''Enterprise'' has some mission out that way afterwards?
** Well, Deanna is the daughter of Lwaxana Troi, a fairly high-ranking member of Betazoid society who is also the Betazoid ambassador to the Federation and one of the biggest pains in the collective ass of Starfleet. Given that the Dominion War is over at this point (meaning there is no critical mission that the ship is needed for), Lwaxana might have managed to pull a few strings (or at least complained about it until Starfleet gave in to shut her up).
** This problem is all over ''Franchise/StarTrek''; captains of individual starships often seem to have vast leeway to do what they like and go where they like.
*** TOS was much better about this. On at least two occasions, Kirk had to work around (read: ignore) Starfleet orders to pursue a mission he thought was more critical. In ''Amok Time'' he ''does'' actually request permission to take Spock to Vulcan, but he knows that it will take some time to get a response, and goes anyways. By TNG, Picard more or less take the ''Enterprise'' anywhere he wants for any reason.
*** Maybe the key TNG example is at the tail end of "Symbiosis," where Picard delegates the decision of where to go next to his helmsmen. Geordi picks the Opperline system, because "We've never been there." Seems like reason enough to take the Federation flagship someplace, doesn't it?
*** Actually wasn't Betazed one of the hardest hit planets in the Dominion War? Relief mission anyone?
** Actually, "go wherever and do whatever unless we specifically give you something else to do" seems to have been Picard's general mission statement since he first got the Enterprise, but definitely after he gets the -E. At a guess, Starfleet seems to have realized that Picard has a really good idea what he's doing and just lets him do it, unless they actually need him to go do this one specific thing. It's not like they desperately need the ship for anything else.
[[folder:Fortress Earth]]
* So Shinzon's plan is to attack Earth with his big-ass super weapon--fair enough, his ship is powerful, deadly, and apparently has a "perfect cloak." So...then what? Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine establishes that Earth is one of the most fortified planets in the Alpha Quadrant--so fortified, in fact, that the Klingons had never even ''thought'' of attacking it. The Breen manage to launch a successful raid on Earth, but it was at the cost of every single ship in that fleet. No matter how badass the Scimitar, and how well cloaking device works, that ship is bound to give away its position the instant it opens fire. Even worse, he only brought one ship, Starfleet knows he's coming, and they're going to be ready for him. How exactly did he plan to survive this mission?
** Shinzon was dying by the second, it's entirely possible he had no intention of surviving. That said, the actual reason was explained in the movie. The Thalaron weapon, the Cascading Biogenic Pulse cannot be shielded against. It goes through all defenses. So even if we assume that he doesn't have to decloak to fire, basically all he has to do is point it at Earth, fire it off and watch everything in front of him die, including the crews of any ships or starbases between the Scimitar and Earth. They would only have the few scant minutes that it takes to deploy to kill him. And according to Geordi the Scimitar defies all known detection methods rattling off residual antiprotons which the Dominion used to detect cloaks and the tachyon signatures used by the Federation. As for the Breen it's a lot easier to infiltrate a large target with a single ship than it is to walk an entire fleet in.
[[folder:Not Taking You With Me]]
* When Shinzon reversed his engines to pull away from the ''Enterprise'', why did it work? In the frictionless void of space, and lacking opposing thrust from ''Enterprise'', shouldn't the ''Scimitar'' have just drug ''Enterprise'' along with it?
** Maybe he used the deflectors in conjunction with the engines?
*** Which leads to the question, why did Picard let him pull away anyway? The Enterprise's engines still worked at least just keep pushing forward until one of the ships explodes in a ball of fire taking the other with it.
*** It's not clear that the Enterprise's engines did work, at least well enough for them to continue pushing forward. Besides, the original intention was to damage the Scimitar and possibly destroy it with the Self Destruct. After the Self Destruct was disabled, there wasn't much point to forcing the two ships to stay entwined, as the Scimitar could rather easily kill the Enterprise crew in any number of ways besides using their forward weapons. As to the two ships pulling apart, it might have something to do with the inertial dampeners? Who can say.
[[folder:We're Too Damaged to Destroy Ourselves]]
* How does the self-destruct go offline, shouldn't all you need to do is turn off the anti-matter containment? It isn't like it doesn't try to fail every ten seconds anyway. Picard should have just turned to [=LaForge=] and said "Turn off the antimatter containment will you?"
** By about the middle of TNG's run, the writers had finally established how a lot of the more common tech in Star Trek worked, and while that was probably a good thing, it necessitated turning a lot of plot elements into [[WallBangers/StarTrek wall bangers]]. With all of the things that we have seen doom Federation starships, it sometimes seems that the only way ''not'' to blow up a ship was by activating the auto-destruct (how many times during the series did we see ''Enterprise-d'' blow up only to be saved by a ResetButton--hell, in both ''Cause and Effect'' and ''All Good Things...'' ''Enterprise'' exploded ''several'' times) . With all of the volatile compounds and equipment that we've seen starships routinely carry, there's really no excuse for a creative captain not being able to get his ship to make a really big boom on fairly short notice.
** There are supposed to be two different self-destruct methods. The one where the warp core is deliberately breached and causes a massive antimatter explosion, and the one seen in 'Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'' where a series of explosions destroy the most critical components and leave it an unsalvageable hulk. I can understand why the latter would require certain systems to be operational in order to work, but firing a phaser on maximum setting at the warp core should have done the trick for the former. The warp core breach method is only supposed to be used far away from any inhabited planet though, so the best guess I have is that there was one just out of sight.
*** The "phaser to the warp core" method would require someone in engineering to know they needed to take a phaser to the warp core... which I don't think they could do, since I believe shipboard communications were down. (Besides, if you were in the middle of a fight with a ship that you knew had a clone of your captain on board, and your captain suddenly called you and said "Blow up the warp core!", would ''you'' do it?) Add to that, since a warp core breach is pretty much "instant death for the ship and anything within viewing distance of it", there's probably pretty heavily-done safeguards... like a nuclear weapon, causing an explosion to the warp core itself might indeed cause a nice big explosion, but only enough to wipe out engineering and the deck above and below or some such. Causing a deliberate warp core breach is probably actually quite difficult, as it ''should be''.
*** Okay, why didn't he just send someone from the bridge there? And yes, I would do it if the captain gave me reason why, which Picard could. And we do know that warp core breach does destroy the entire ship.
*** This is something that's bugged the crap out of me about Star Trek for a long time. Whenever the ship has a hiccup, the intercoms go down; right along with, for some reason, the combadges. We've seen combadges used for person-to-person communication on away missions before, so you would expect them to be able to work independently of the ship. How is it that there's never a backup system? A pair of simple, been-around-in-the-real-world-for-70-years, sound-powered telephones could ensure that the bridge could always stay in touch with the engine room even if the power was out and all of the batteries on the ship were completely dead.
*** First, because they're in the middle of fighting still and can't just send a runner. And second I think you kind of missed the point. There is a ''clone of Picard'' on the enemy ship, thus if Picard suddenly started telling someone to do utterly suicidal things, you'd have to be an idiot to just do it.
[[folder:Super Secret Password]]
* Why does Picard give his pass code for the auto-destruct sequence out loud so other people can hear it? What's the point of personal passwords if they're not secret?
** The computer is ''supposed'' to cross-check the authorization code with the user's biometrics, which ''should'' prevent unauthorized use of an access code; this only ever works when the [[RuleOfDrama plot requires it]], though. To the show's credit, they're usually (but not always) pretty consistent with the computer requiring at least a voice-print authentication, but this fails fairly often (Data once hijacked the ''Enterprise'' with what was essentially a playback attack). So, yeah, Starfleet really, ''really'' needs to toughen their computer security.
*** If the computer's going to check the user's biometrics anyway, what's the point of the password?
*** confirmation of actual consent. (If there is a mismatch? Assume coercion!)
*** There are also several examples of hostile aliens with the ability to make copies of Starfleet officers so perfect, it takes thorough, detailed medical scans to identify them as imposters. Several species have also been shown to be able to possess starship personnel--to the point that it almost seems like a right of passage for Starfleet officers. This makes requiring more than biometric authentication uncharacteristically savvy of Starfleet.
[[folder:Leaving the Door Unlocked]]
* Data's HeroicSacrifice was apparently written in because Brent Spiner felt he was getting too old to play an ageless android. Fair enough... but this was always planned to be the last outing for the TNG crew. He would never have had to play Data again anyway. Then on top of that, they introduce another Soong-type android who ''is also played by Brent Spiner''. OK, so he's only a minor character compared to his brother, but the film teases the idea he might unlock Data's memories (which, inevitably, fandom, EU and possibly-canon comic ''Countdown'' all ran with), so Data's still around and still looks like Brent Spiner. So what was the point of insisting on killing the original?
** I think it was just a ham-fisted attempt to ape Spock's HeroicSacrifice in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''.
** Perhaps when he made B-4, Soong was experimenting with the idea of including an aging system in his androids which he eventually discarded. Thus, if Spiner were to return as Data in B-4's body, it could be explained that the aging systems still functioned and he now looked older than he used to. Of course, they could just as easily have had Data install an aging system in himself and still avoided having to kill him (in fact, he did pretty much exactly that prior to the future seen in ''All Good Things'').
*** Actually, the Spock answer was precisely it. Spock's death was meant to be 'we kill him...but can bring him back easily'. So, the idea was to kill off Data in a way they didn't' have to use him, but with an 'out' so they could bring him back fast. It's just that the out was so OBVIOUS, that everyone assumes it's canon.
* Why is Data leaving the Enterprise to become Riker's first officer on the USS Titan? With Riker's departure he is now the first officer of the Federation flagship and almost guaranteed to become its captain in a few years when the aging Picard takes retirement. Data has essentially demoted himself.
** Perhaps Data doesn't feel he's ready for his own command yet, and being an immortal android he doesn't feel any urgency towards reaching that goal.
** What?! Data wasn't leaving! The scene went like this:
*** Picard: While you're happily settling in on the Titan, I will be training my new first officer. You all know him. He's a tyrannical martinet who will never, ever, allow me to go on away missions.
*** Data: That is the regulation, sir. Starfleet code section 12, paragraph 4...
*** Picard: Mr. Data...
*** Data: Sir?
*** Picard: Shut up.
*** Data: Yes, sir.
*** Picard: (aside) Fifteen years, I've been waiting to say that.
[[folder:Where's Mom?]]
* Why wasn't Lwaxana Troi at her own daughter's wedding?
** It's no mystery: recall that they were going to have two weddings, the other one being on Betazed.
[[folder:Perpetual Worf]]
* Does The Enterprise-E even have a Chief Tactical officer? The poor man or woman seems to get immediately demoted every time Worf comes on board. Arguably it made sense in ''First Contact'' as Picard's line of ''Mr Worf, we could use some help at tactical'' implies that their previous Tactical officer was injured or too inexperienced to fight the Borg. But in ''Insurrection'' in ''Nemesis'' Worf is just there on the bridge with very little reason given.
** In ''Insurrection'' Worf is on board for the reception in the beginning of the movie. During which Picard is then called by the admiral to give him the update on Data. Picard says "We'll have Worf delay his return to Deep Space Nine for a bit". It is less about him running Starship security, then it is Picard has worked with Worf for many years, and knows he is skilled, so he wanted another ace in the hole with him for the mission to Baku, a man who he could trust and rely on.
** Deep space nine concluded, with almost all of the main characters going separate ways, and leaving the station. Worf was specifically mentioned as the new ambassador to the Klingon home world. He mentions early in ''Nemesis'', during Riker's wedding, that he didn't like it. Worf, though more disciplined then the average Klingon because his duty demands it, still has the same irritability. This being said, if he was at a job he did not like, he would seek a new one out. To much had changed on Deep Space Nine for him to feel comfortable their. However, most of the Enterprise-E crew was inherited from its direct predecessor, the Enterprise-D where Worf served as chief tactical officer. It was brought up at times, even a full episode of Deep Space Nine saw him not feeling as comfortable as he did compared to his life on a starship. He did not even take quarters on the station for the first few months. By the time of ''Nemesis'' he was an extremely decorated officer and hero of the dominion war. He probably had enough clout to just ask for an assignment to the Enterprise-E, which the senior crew was only to happy to have him back, as he was part of their family for a long time.
*** Sorry, but no, you're wrong. Nowhere in the official release of the film does Worf actually state that he was ill-suited to become an ambassador, it's just a bit of fan theory, and while admittedly it's consistent and logical fan theory, it's not confirmed within the film. So Worf just literally pops back without any explanation given.
*** The early screenplay by John Logan contained this exchange:
*** WORF: I was not suited for the life of a... diplomat.
*** BEVERLY (wry) Who'd have guessed?
*** You're perfectly right that it's not in the finished film, but it's not a fan theory. This screenplay leaked, circulated widely online before the film came out and "phantom scene syndrome" resulted for many viewers. Also, that line is intact in the novelization by J.M. Dillard.
[[folder:6 Versus 1000]]
* Why does the Reman boarding party only consist of like 6 guys? Wouldn't you want a larger boarding party to go to a ship with more then 1,000 people on it? Also, why were they transported to the lower decks of the ship? It's well established that transporters are very precise. Couldn't they have transported directly to the bridge of the Enterprise so they could snag the Captain and make a quick escape?