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** In ''Series/BattleBots'' on TV, it seemed to be considered a dick move to continue trashing a disabled robot. One opponent kept smashing up a disabled robot, then pushed it into one of the arena weapons, and was soundly booed. The underground fights may operate on the same 'honor'. There's no need to destroy someone's expensive robot when it's down... and consider what might happen to ''yours'' next time it goes down.
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** In ''Series/BattleBots'' on TV, it seemed to be considered a dick move to continue trashing a disabled robot. One opponent kept smashing up a disabled robot, then pushed it into one of the arena weapons, and was soundly booed. The underground fights may operate on the same 'honor'. There's no need to destroy someone's expensive robot when it's down... and consider what might happen to ''yours'' next time it goes down.down.
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** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCorporateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.
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** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCorporateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.know.
* All companies that are seen in the movie have their current 2011 logos, despite the movie being set in the year 2020.
** In a similar vein, no new music seems to have come out between now and then; people are still listening to current Eminem songs. That would be like a movie set in the present where everyone listened to the Backstreet Boys.
*** That's like saying no one would listen to music from the 90s today...or perhaps they don't, hence why Max's gimmick goes over so well. Imagine a boxer performing Music/FrankSinatra before a fight in the real world, for example.
*** Just look at the music being produced today in the actual 2020s. It's not that new music isn't being produced during this time, it's just that the new music produced sucks, and so people are having to listen to the music they grow up with and enjoyed instead.
*** I think we have to give the movie a healthy about of slack regarding the company logos. The movie was released in 2011. Of course it was going to get things wrong. As for the music? None of the songs that they used actually date the movie.
*** Of course, it is now actually 2020 and not only have most of the companies featured not changed their logos in the intervening years, but people are indeed [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting still listening to Eminem's earlier releases.]]
** The former may be justified in that branding is rather important to companies, and consistency is important for a brand, so there's a pretty good reason for the logos to be the same.
*** Especially as the time between release and taking place is just nine years -- companies certainly do change their logos at times, but nine years is short enough that it entirely possible (maybe not all that likely, but entirely possible) that none of the companies whose logos were shown in enough detail did that between 2011 and 2020.
** The robots aren't repairable? You sink fifty grand into a robot, it loses one fight, and you write it off for scrap?
*** Well -- considering how complex the inner-workings of a humanoid bipedal boxing robot have to be, in addition to the fact that each individual robot appears to be completely unique in just about every aspect, meaning that it's probably not easy to find replacements for any specific part that gets damaged or destroyed in a fight -- it wouldn't surprise me if repairing a massively damaged robot would cost as much or even ''more'' than it did to originally purchase it, at which point it would simply be more cost-effective and less time-consuming for a boxer with no corporate backing like Charlie to declare it a total loss and invest in a brand-new one.
*** In other words, it's probably similar to totaling a car. At a certain point it becomes more feasible to simply replace a bot than repair it.
** Where's the ownership regulation on the robots? Imagine criminal gangs or terrorists getting hold of these things. The early film is clearly black market trading and underground fights, but Max and Charlie later turn up to league matches with a stolen robot.
*** The robot was buried in a hill behind a junkyard. Salvage rights do exist, and obviously nobody missed it where it was. It might not even have qualified as being in the junkyard where it was at all, which means nobody would have had any claim to it.
*** Atom itself is mentioned to be a sparring bot specifically. If anything, there might not be the same amount of regulation over practice bots as there are with official robots made specifically for official rings. It would be like having a bicycle vs a motorcycle. Both can do basically the same thing, but only one needs a license to operate publicly.
** Why are there no health and safety concerns? Nobody seems even a little worried about getting close to these giant wrecking machines. Or the flamethrowers from Zeus' entrance. During the actual fights, limbs fly off and robots get knocked clean out of the ring.
*** Regarding the safety concerns, they at least show that the fight referee wears armor when in the ring.
** Some of the logos ''are'' different- specifically, one references an Xbox 720. The robots are repairable- Bailey's job throughout the film is as a WrenchWench- but most of the bouts we see end with the head being destroyed (where most of the important circuitry is), or a critical system overload. Ironically, the underground fight Charlie attends with Noisy Boy seems to have more concern for health and safety than the actual league (given the cage), but the referee in the final fight is clad in heavy protective gear.
*** The Xbox 720 logo hardly counts as being different - It's the same as the Xbox 360 logo, but with different numbers. The film's set in 2020, and TechnologyMarchesOn, after all.
*** Also, it seems the problem isn't so much the robots ''aren't'' repairable, just that Charlie didn't have the money or resources to repair his. It's hard to get replacement parts to repair a 50,000 dollar robot when you're flat broke.
** Robot boxing has become the dominant spectator sport, and armies in general are known to endorse contestants (or robots in this case) to advertise the military, but no military-endorsed robot is in sight. What happened to advertising for recruits?
*** The robot fighters already count as testbeds for intelligent weapon control systems. None of them is physically good enough to take on a tank.
*** And how many league robots did we actually see? Eight: Zeus, Twin Cities, Atom, Noisy Boy, and the minor, one-shot robots that Zeus pulverized: Danger Zone, Gridlock, Axelrod and Blac Jac.
** It's probably something like a car. You run around, put it through it's paces. You get banged up a lot or crash the thing? Better off getting a new one.
* Bailey stated that Noisy Boy's voice control had probably been added in Brazil due to viewer demand, meaning that he was originally built for manual control. Wouldn't it have been better to switch him to that instead since Charlie had a bit of success with Ambush?
** Charlie was in "Ooh, shiny" mode with the voice command system, and just like anybody enamored with the newest technology, he wanted to use that immediately rather than learning the robot's quirks and functions with his usual, less shiny methods first.
* If there are no rules in underground robot fighting, why does nobody kick their opponents while they're down? Probably would have won Noisy Boy's fight with Midas, at least.
** The robots don't have as much flexibility as humans in what they can do. They're designed to attack targets that are standing up, not ones that are on the ground; attacking a downed target might not be cost effective for some of them.
** Walking and maintaining balance for giant top heavy robots is probably difficult enough without mechanics of kicking. Standing on one leg while swinging the other leg only to come to an abrupt stop when it hits the other robot might be too taxing on the whatever program the robots use to balance themselves. Also, if the robot's foot were to get damaged by kicking the downed opponent might just end up with two robots lying down.
** In ''Series/BattleBots'' on TV, it seemed to be considered a dick move to continue trashing a disabled robot. One opponent kept smashing up a disabled robot, then pushed it into one of the arena weapons, and was soundly booed. The underground fights may operate on the same 'honor'. There's no need to destroy someone's expensive robot when it's down... and consider what might happen to ''yours'' next time it goes down.
* All companies that are seen in the movie have their current 2011 logos, despite the movie being set in the year 2020.
** In a similar vein, no new music seems to have come out between now and then; people are still listening to current Eminem songs. That would be like a movie set in the present where everyone listened to the Backstreet Boys.
*** That's like saying no one would listen to music from the 90s today...or perhaps they don't, hence why Max's gimmick goes over so well. Imagine a boxer performing Music/FrankSinatra before a fight in the real world, for example.
*** Just look at the music being produced today in the actual 2020s. It's not that new music isn't being produced during this time, it's just that the new music produced sucks, and so people are having to listen to the music they grow up with and enjoyed instead.
*** I think we have to give the movie a healthy about of slack regarding the company logos. The movie was released in 2011. Of course it was going to get things wrong. As for the music? None of the songs that they used actually date the movie.
*** Of course, it is now actually 2020 and not only have most of the companies featured not changed their logos in the intervening years, but people are indeed [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting still listening to Eminem's earlier releases.]]
** The former may be justified in that branding is rather important to companies, and consistency is important for a brand, so there's a pretty good reason for the logos to be the same.
*** Especially as the time between release and taking place is just nine years -- companies certainly do change their logos at times, but nine years is short enough that it entirely possible (maybe not all that likely, but entirely possible) that none of the companies whose logos were shown in enough detail did that between 2011 and 2020.
** The robots aren't repairable? You sink fifty grand into a robot, it loses one fight, and you write it off for scrap?
*** Well -- considering how complex the inner-workings of a humanoid bipedal boxing robot have to be, in addition to the fact that each individual robot appears to be completely unique in just about every aspect, meaning that it's probably not easy to find replacements for any specific part that gets damaged or destroyed in a fight -- it wouldn't surprise me if repairing a massively damaged robot would cost as much or even ''more'' than it did to originally purchase it, at which point it would simply be more cost-effective and less time-consuming for a boxer with no corporate backing like Charlie to declare it a total loss and invest in a brand-new one.
*** In other words, it's probably similar to totaling a car. At a certain point it becomes more feasible to simply replace a bot than repair it.
** Where's the ownership regulation on the robots? Imagine criminal gangs or terrorists getting hold of these things. The early film is clearly black market trading and underground fights, but Max and Charlie later turn up to league matches with a stolen robot.
*** The robot was buried in a hill behind a junkyard. Salvage rights do exist, and obviously nobody missed it where it was. It might not even have qualified as being in the junkyard where it was at all, which means nobody would have had any claim to it.
*** Atom itself is mentioned to be a sparring bot specifically. If anything, there might not be the same amount of regulation over practice bots as there are with official robots made specifically for official rings. It would be like having a bicycle vs a motorcycle. Both can do basically the same thing, but only one needs a license to operate publicly.
** Why are there no health and safety concerns? Nobody seems even a little worried about getting close to these giant wrecking machines. Or the flamethrowers from Zeus' entrance. During the actual fights, limbs fly off and robots get knocked clean out of the ring.
*** Regarding the safety concerns, they at least show that the fight referee wears armor when in the ring.
** Some of the logos ''are'' different- specifically, one references an Xbox 720. The robots are repairable- Bailey's job throughout the film is as a WrenchWench- but most of the bouts we see end with the head being destroyed (where most of the important circuitry is), or a critical system overload. Ironically, the underground fight Charlie attends with Noisy Boy seems to have more concern for health and safety than the actual league (given the cage), but the referee in the final fight is clad in heavy protective gear.
*** The Xbox 720 logo hardly counts as being different - It's the same as the Xbox 360 logo, but with different numbers. The film's set in 2020, and TechnologyMarchesOn, after all.
*** Also, it seems the problem isn't so much the robots ''aren't'' repairable, just that Charlie didn't have the money or resources to repair his. It's hard to get replacement parts to repair a 50,000 dollar robot when you're flat broke.
** Robot boxing has become the dominant spectator sport, and armies in general are known to endorse contestants (or robots in this case) to advertise the military, but no military-endorsed robot is in sight. What happened to advertising for recruits?
*** The robot fighters already count as testbeds for intelligent weapon control systems. None of them is physically good enough to take on a tank.
*** And how many league robots did we actually see? Eight: Zeus, Twin Cities, Atom, Noisy Boy, and the minor, one-shot robots that Zeus pulverized: Danger Zone, Gridlock, Axelrod and Blac Jac.
** It's probably something like a car. You run around, put it through it's paces. You get banged up a lot or crash the thing? Better off getting a new one.
* Bailey stated that Noisy Boy's voice control had probably been added in Brazil due to viewer demand, meaning that he was originally built for manual control. Wouldn't it have been better to switch him to that instead since Charlie had a bit of success with Ambush?
** Charlie was in "Ooh, shiny" mode with the voice command system, and just like anybody enamored with the newest technology, he wanted to use that immediately rather than learning the robot's quirks and functions with his usual, less shiny methods first.
* If there are no rules in underground robot fighting, why does nobody kick their opponents while they're down? Probably would have won Noisy Boy's fight with Midas, at least.
** The robots don't have as much flexibility as humans in what they can do. They're designed to attack targets that are standing up, not ones that are on the ground; attacking a downed target might not be cost effective for some of them.
** Walking and maintaining balance for giant top heavy robots is probably difficult enough without mechanics of kicking. Standing on one leg while swinging the other leg only to come to an abrupt stop when it hits the other robot might be too taxing on the whatever program the robots use to balance themselves. Also, if the robot's foot were to get damaged by kicking the downed opponent might just end up with two robots lying down.
** In ''Series/BattleBots'' on TV, it seemed to be considered a dick move to continue trashing a disabled robot. One opponent kept smashing up a disabled robot, then pushed it into one of the arena weapons, and was soundly booed. The underground fights may operate on the same 'honor'. There's no need to destroy someone's expensive robot when it's down... and consider what might happen to ''yours'' next time it goes down.
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** [[HilariousInHindsight There indeed is such a trope now]], alviet under the name TransparentTech.
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*** And even if they still have the controller, it's more than likely sitting outside in the truck, and they are in a brief rest period between rounds. Charlie nor Max can physically run all the way outside and back in time to get the controller if it's in the truck anyway. It was either the Shadow Mode or completely forfeit, and Max didn't want to give up. And Charlie didn't want to let his son down again, so Shadow Mode was used.
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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). Plus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.
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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). Plus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical MaybeMagicMaybeMundane aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.
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** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCoperateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.
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** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCoperateExecutive CorruptCorporateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.
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** There is actually logic here. While shadowboxxing is clearly superior, it also means you need someone to actually learn boxing and do it for the robot to learn. That costs money. So, it's cheaper to have pre-programmed moves in and compensate finesses with strength. You can see that robots get smashed due to power of the blows. Atom is build as a sparring robot, so its designed to take punches. However, why not use voice control? Well, we actually see several reasons in the movie. When Atom goes town, Max and Charlie can't do anything else than just shout "GET UP!". Not very good. They also lack any sort of feedback on what is going with Atom. Contrast with Twin Cities or any other bot, their users have the inference and can keep track of their robots and if robots goes down, we see them doing something. Most likely rerouting or stuff like that, to get their robot up. So, it comes down to practicality.
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** There is actually logic here. While shadowboxxing is clearly superior, it also means you need someone to actually learn boxing and do it for the robot to learn. That costs money. So, it's cheaper to have pre-programmed moves in and compensate finesses with strength. You can see that robots get smashed due to power of the blows. Atom is build as a sparring robot, so its designed to take punches. However, why not use voice control? Well, we actually see several reasons in the movie. When Atom goes town, Max and Charlie can't do anything else than just shout "GET UP!". Not very good. They also lack any sort of feedback on what is going with Atom. Contrast with Twin Cities or any other bot, their users have the inference interface and can keep track of their robots and if robots goes down, we see them doing something. Most likely rerouting or stuff like that, to get their robot up. So, it comes down to practicality.
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*** Having ''Charlie himself'' be in good shape gives Atom a better chance of winning, as Charlie needs the endurance to direct Atom with his own movements for the duration of a prolonged bout. As for bringing Atom along for his jogs, ''every'' bit of practice operating Atom's mimic mode that Charlie can squeeze into a day, the better.
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** I agree with OP on this, almost all of the bots we see are vaguely human in form and function, basically fighting with what a human has (barring the above mentioned illegal metro) but zeus has pistons in his arms not as a functional help, they clearly push out, giving him more reach and power, my best comparison is he is like a boxer on steroids with metal plates sown in the gloves, its a clearly unfair advantage compared to almost all the other bots basically having a mostly human limit on options, the pistons are clearly weapons.
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** I agree with OP on this, almost all of the bots we see are vaguely human in form and function, basically fighting with what a human has (barring the above mentioned illegal metro) but zeus has pistons in his arms not as a functional help, they clearly push out, giving him more reach and power, my best comparison is he is like a boxer on steroids with metal plates sown in the gloves, its a clearly unfair advantage compared to almost all the other bots basically having a mostly human limit on options, the pistons are clearly weapons.weapons.
** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCoperateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.
** The fact is that Zeus clearly has weapons, and while this is the first time it has been forced to win on points, Zeus' owners clearly also own the WRB, note the womans complete lack of shock at winning on points, she has CorruptCoperateExecutive written all over her, the pistons are clearly weaponary, they don't "help" the robot very much except to artifically increase reach and power (as anyone who has every watched a piston at work on youtube would know) we don't really know much about the rules, so maybe pistons are allowed we dont know.
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** Because the pistons aren't weapons, they're a mechanism in the arms. The rest of it is...not a question, just an accusation of cheating and inaccurate -- Zeus doesn't "always win on points," and its owners do not own the league. Zeus has, until the movie, always won via knock out in the first round.
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** Because the pistons aren't weapons, they're a mechanism in the arms. The rest of it is...not a question, just an accusation of cheating and inaccurate -- Zeus doesn't "always win on points," and its owners do not own the league. Zeus has, until the movie, always won via knock out in the first round.round.
** I agree with OP on this, almost all of the bots we see are vaguely human in form and function, basically fighting with what a human has (barring the above mentioned illegal metro) but zeus has pistons in his arms not as a functional help, they clearly push out, giving him more reach and power, my best comparison is he is like a boxer on steroids with metal plates sown in the gloves, its a clearly unfair advantage compared to almost all the other bots basically having a mostly human limit on options, the pistons are clearly weapons.
** I agree with OP on this, almost all of the bots we see are vaguely human in form and function, basically fighting with what a human has (barring the above mentioned illegal metro) but zeus has pistons in his arms not as a functional help, they clearly push out, giving him more reach and power, my best comparison is he is like a boxer on steroids with metal plates sown in the gloves, its a clearly unfair advantage compared to almost all the other bots basically having a mostly human limit on options, the pistons are clearly weapons.
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* Same troper as above, while I suppose it falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality, the fact that these robots seemingly made of solid metal are so agile kind of annoyed me. (Yes, I know it's the same as all GiantMecha series, probably far less egregious than the skyscraper-tall bots dancing around and ignoring the SquareCubeLaw completely, but somehow the premise seemed like it should have had more plausibility.) Couldn't they have all been made of a super-hard, super-lightweight plastic or futuristic material, or at least been handwaved as "they're made of carbon fibre"? Their heaviness also makes me wonder what the hell has so much power that it can move all their numerous parts at a speed equal to that of a human's, and why Zeus (who being a modern robot, should logically have a more efficient/advanced energy system) ran out of it faster than Atom. Maybe I'm overthinking it, or maybe they just thought ViewersAreMorons and [[TheyJustDidntCare didn't bother]].
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* Same troper as above, while I suppose it falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality, the fact that these robots seemingly made of solid metal are so agile kind of annoyed me. (Yes, I know it's the same as all GiantMecha series, probably far less egregious than the skyscraper-tall bots dancing around and ignoring the SquareCubeLaw completely, but somehow the premise seemed like it should have had more plausibility.) Couldn't they have all been made of a super-hard, super-lightweight plastic or futuristic material, or at least been handwaved as "they're made of carbon fibre"? Their heaviness also makes me wonder what the hell has so much power that it can move all their numerous parts at a speed equal to that of a human's, and why Zeus (who being a modern robot, should logically have a more efficient/advanced energy system) ran out of it faster than Atom. Maybe I'm overthinking it, or maybe they just thought ViewersAreMorons and [[TheyJustDidntCare didn't bother]].bother.
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** It'd probably fall under "assault with a deadly weapon", which is ''much'' worse than just "assault"
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* Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.
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* Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.basically.
** Because the pistons aren't weapons, they're a mechanism in the arms. The rest of it is...not a question, just an accusation of cheating and inaccurate -- Zeus doesn't "always win on points," and its owners do not own the league. Zeus has, until the movie, always won via knock out in the first round.
** Because the pistons aren't weapons, they're a mechanism in the arms. The rest of it is...not a question, just an accusation of cheating and inaccurate -- Zeus doesn't "always win on points," and its owners do not own the league. Zeus has, until the movie, always won via knock out in the first round.
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** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.
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** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.switch.
*Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.
*Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.
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** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.
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** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.long.
** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.
** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.
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** There is actually logic here. While shadowboxxing is clearly superior, it also means you need someone to actually learn boxing and do it for the robot to learn. That costs money. So, it's cheaper to have pre-programmed moves in and compensate finesses with strength. You can see that robots get smashed due to power of the blows. Atom is build as a sparring robot, so its designed to take punches. However, why not use voice control? Well, we actually see several reasons in the movie. When Atom goes town, Max and Charlie can't do anything else than just shout "GET UP!". Not very good. They also lack any sort of feedback on what is going with Atom. Contrast with Twin Cities or any other bot, their users have the inference and can keep track of their robots and if robots goes down, we see them doing something. Most likely rerouting or stuff like that, to get their robot up. So, it comes down to practicality.
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* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?
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* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?shadow)?
** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.
** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.
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** I'm assuming that Charlie was going to say something like "I'm proud of you" or "I love you". Being a big macho man, he has trouble spitting such things out, so Max saves him from embarrassment.
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** I'm assuming that Charlie was going to say something like "I'm proud of you" or "I love you". Being a big macho man, he has trouble spitting such things out, so Max saves him from embarrassment.embarrassment.
* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?
* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?
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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). PLus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.
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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). PLus Plus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.
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* The fact that people seem to think voice controls are better than anything else, or at least more advanced than the Shadow Mode, is patently ridiculous. Think about how long it takes you to say something vs. doing it. Of course the robot also needs to process the words, and even if it's a super-fast process that's still vital milliseconds and processing power that could be put to better use. If the movie portrayed how long interpreting a verbal command actually took, it would resemble a turn-based combat system more than a super-fast action sequence. So basically, if we take the explanation for robot fighting's popularity (harder hits, to the "death", etc.) at face value, and that somehow this phased real boxing out [[note]]which is just completely ignoring that people like watching other real people, with emotions, and seeing struggle in their expressions etc. not to mention that there would likely be a bunch of boxing "purists"[[/note]] the most likely scenarios in real life would be 1) previous "live" boxers would still box, but using a robot to mimic their actions so that they don't get hurt, 2) things work almost exactly like a video game, with a bunch of dedicated nerds programming and upgrading their robots that they then control using some sort of game controller, keyboard or similar combination[[note]]I'd imagine they'd be elevated over the ring a little because really, the places where they were standing in the movie were shit, it'd be so hard to get a good view of anything. Also, imagine unleashing a combo with a robot IRL, how cool would that be.[[/note]], 3) robots are programmed so sophisticatedly (and we see hints of this when Atom sits up on his own, and saves Max) that no or very little human input is needed. This is actually the only scenario I think that could make robot fighting overtake real fights, because if it were done correctly they could act and respond much faster than a human boxer. Kind of Matrix uber-Neo level fast. Ignoring that metal is notoriously unwieldy.
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* The fact that people seem to think voice controls are better than anything else, or at least more advanced than the Shadow Mode, is patently ridiculous. Think about how long it takes you to say something vs. doing it. Of course the robot also needs to process the words, and even if it's a super-fast process that's still vital milliseconds and processing power that could be put to better use. If the movie portrayed how long interpreting a verbal command actually took, it would resemble a turn-based combat TurnBasedCombat system more than a super-fast action sequence. So basically, if we take the explanation for robot fighting's popularity (harder hits, to the "death", etc.) at face value, and that somehow this phased real boxing out [[note]]which is just completely ignoring that people like watching other real people, with emotions, and seeing struggle in their expressions etc. not to mention that there would likely be a bunch of boxing "purists"[[/note]] the most likely scenarios in real life would be 1) previous "live" boxers would still box, but using a robot to mimic their actions so that they don't get hurt, 2) things work almost exactly like a video game, with a bunch of dedicated nerds programming and upgrading their robots that they then control using some sort of game controller, keyboard or similar combination[[note]]I'd imagine they'd be elevated over the ring a little because really, the places where they were standing in the movie were shit, it'd be so hard to get a good view of anything. Also, imagine unleashing a combo with a robot IRL, how cool would that be.[[/note]], 3) robots are programmed so sophisticatedly (and we see hints of this when Atom sits up on his own, and saves Max) that no or very little human input is needed. This is actually the only scenario I think that could make robot fighting overtake real fights, because if it were done correctly they could act and respond much faster than a human boxer. Kind of Matrix uber-Neo level fast. Ignoring that metal is notoriously unwieldy.
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*** He's not. He's just running around for the hell of it, not giving him a thoroughly-thought-out workout.
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** Better question; why take the robot jogging? I get that he's training him with the mimic mode, but the point of jogging is to improve endurance as a work out, something the robot can't benefit from.
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** What do you mean "couldn't be beaten"? Atom ''can'' be beaten, as evidenced by his first fight where he nearly gets beaten by a robot that was apparently knocked together out of mostly scrap metal by some backwoods redneck. Atom is simply more durable than the average robot. If it's legal for Zeus to have pistons for arms I don't see how it would be illegal for Atom to be a little tougher than most bots.
