History Headscratchers / RealSteel

22nd Oct '16 10:49:17 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Same troper as above, while I suppose it falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality, the fact that these robots seemingly made of solid metal are so agile kind of annoyed me. (Yes, I know it's the same as all GiantMecha series, probably far less egregious than the skyscraper-tall bots dancing around and ignoring the SquareCubeLaw completely, but somehow the premise seemed like it should have had more plausibility.) Couldn't they have all been made of a super-hard, super-lightweight plastic or futuristic material, or at least been handwaved as "they're made of carbon fibre"? Their heaviness also makes me wonder what the hell has so much power that it can move all their numerous parts at a speed equal to that of a human's, and why Zeus (who being a modern robot, should logically have a more efficient/advanced energy system) ran out of it faster than Atom. Maybe I'm overthinking it, or maybe they just thought ViewersAreMorons and [[TheyJustDidntCare didn't bother]].

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* Same troper as above, while I suppose it falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality, the fact that these robots seemingly made of solid metal are so agile kind of annoyed me. (Yes, I know it's the same as all GiantMecha series, probably far less egregious than the skyscraper-tall bots dancing around and ignoring the SquareCubeLaw completely, but somehow the premise seemed like it should have had more plausibility.) Couldn't they have all been made of a super-hard, super-lightweight plastic or futuristic material, or at least been handwaved as "they're made of carbon fibre"? Their heaviness also makes me wonder what the hell has so much power that it can move all their numerous parts at a speed equal to that of a human's, and why Zeus (who being a modern robot, should logically have a more efficient/advanced energy system) ran out of it faster than Atom. Maybe I'm overthinking it, or maybe they just thought ViewersAreMorons and [[TheyJustDidntCare didn't bother]].bother.
23rd Apr '16 10:48:03 AM Inertial_mass
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** It'd probably fall under "assault with a deadly weapon", which is ''much'' worse than just "assault"
25th Jan '16 1:00:40 PM MrDeath
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* Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.

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* Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.basically.
** Because the pistons aren't weapons, they're a mechanism in the arms. The rest of it is...not a question, just an accusation of cheating and inaccurate -- Zeus doesn't "always win on points," and its owners do not own the league. Zeus has, until the movie, always won via knock out in the first round.
25th Jan '16 11:25:57 AM finalfaw
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** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.

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** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.switch.
*Why is it that in the extra material its said that weapons (i.e Metros' hammer hand) are illegal to use in league matches, but the top bot has PISTONS for arms? I realize its probably because its owners own the league but still, bit obviously cheating, that and Zeus "winning" on points, probably the only way to beat zeus is an K.O, zeus always wins on points because its owners own the league basically.
29th Oct '15 4:33:07 PM Mandemo
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** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.

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** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.long.
** When Max installs the voice recognition, he says he scrapped the old controller. They don't ''have'' it any more. That's why they didn't switch.
29th Oct '15 4:29:00 PM Mandemo
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** There is actually logic here. While shadowboxxing is clearly superior, it also means you need someone to actually learn boxing and do it for the robot to learn. That costs money. So, it's cheaper to have pre-programmed moves in and compensate finesses with strength. You can see that robots get smashed due to power of the blows. Atom is build as a sparring robot, so its designed to take punches. However, why not use voice control? Well, we actually see several reasons in the movie. When Atom goes town, Max and Charlie can't do anything else than just shout "GET UP!". Not very good. They also lack any sort of feedback on what is going with Atom. Contrast with Twin Cities or any other bot, their users have the inference and can keep track of their robots and if robots goes down, we see them doing something. Most likely rerouting or stuff like that, to get their robot up. So, it comes down to practicality.
2nd Jul '15 10:12:22 AM MrDeath
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* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?

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* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?shadow)?
** They might not have even had the manual controls, and it might've taken too long to get them set back up after not using them for so long.
2nd Jul '15 7:56:21 AM Imagine.Wizard
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** I'm assuming that Charlie was going to say something like "I'm proud of you" or "I love you". Being a big macho man, he has trouble spitting such things out, so Max saves him from embarrassment.

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** I'm assuming that Charlie was going to say something like "I'm proud of you" or "I love you". Being a big macho man, he has trouble spitting such things out, so Max saves him from embarrassment.embarrassment.
* I mean, clearly it worked, but why was shadowboxing portrayed as the only thing they could've done to continue fighting with Atom - why was not simply using the manual controls brought up as an alternative? For that matter, why didn't Charlie immediately switch to the manual controls as soon as Atom's voice recognition was bust during the match, rather than wait for the next round (when they set it to shadow)?
4th Apr '15 8:54:50 AM tablethalfwit
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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). PLus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.

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** It might be a mild case of internal state recognition (Am I fighting or not) which ties into his old role as a sparring robot. In one form of shadow, he has to learn what an opponent might do (mirror). In another, he has to DO what someone might do (mimic). PLus Plus ties into the MaybeMundaneMaybeMagical aspect of whether Atom's intelligent or not.
2nd Feb '14 1:50:49 AM Koveras
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* The fact that people seem to think voice controls are better than anything else, or at least more advanced than the Shadow Mode, is patently ridiculous. Think about how long it takes you to say something vs. doing it. Of course the robot also needs to process the words, and even if it's a super-fast process that's still vital milliseconds and processing power that could be put to better use. If the movie portrayed how long interpreting a verbal command actually took, it would resemble a turn-based combat system more than a super-fast action sequence. So basically, if we take the explanation for robot fighting's popularity (harder hits, to the "death", etc.) at face value, and that somehow this phased real boxing out [[note]]which is just completely ignoring that people like watching other real people, with emotions, and seeing struggle in their expressions etc. not to mention that there would likely be a bunch of boxing "purists"[[/note]] the most likely scenarios in real life would be 1) previous "live" boxers would still box, but using a robot to mimic their actions so that they don't get hurt, 2) things work almost exactly like a video game, with a bunch of dedicated nerds programming and upgrading their robots that they then control using some sort of game controller, keyboard or similar combination[[note]]I'd imagine they'd be elevated over the ring a little because really, the places where they were standing in the movie were shit, it'd be so hard to get a good view of anything. Also, imagine unleashing a combo with a robot IRL, how cool would that be.[[/note]], 3) robots are programmed so sophisticatedly (and we see hints of this when Atom sits up on his own, and saves Max) that no or very little human input is needed. This is actually the only scenario I think that could make robot fighting overtake real fights, because if it were done correctly they could act and respond much faster than a human boxer. Kind of Matrix uber-Neo level fast. Ignoring that metal is notoriously unwieldy.

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* The fact that people seem to think voice controls are better than anything else, or at least more advanced than the Shadow Mode, is patently ridiculous. Think about how long it takes you to say something vs. doing it. Of course the robot also needs to process the words, and even if it's a super-fast process that's still vital milliseconds and processing power that could be put to better use. If the movie portrayed how long interpreting a verbal command actually took, it would resemble a turn-based combat TurnBasedCombat system more than a super-fast action sequence. So basically, if we take the explanation for robot fighting's popularity (harder hits, to the "death", etc.) at face value, and that somehow this phased real boxing out [[note]]which is just completely ignoring that people like watching other real people, with emotions, and seeing struggle in their expressions etc. not to mention that there would likely be a bunch of boxing "purists"[[/note]] the most likely scenarios in real life would be 1) previous "live" boxers would still box, but using a robot to mimic their actions so that they don't get hurt, 2) things work almost exactly like a video game, with a bunch of dedicated nerds programming and upgrading their robots that they then control using some sort of game controller, keyboard or similar combination[[note]]I'd imagine they'd be elevated over the ring a little because really, the places where they were standing in the movie were shit, it'd be so hard to get a good view of anything. Also, imagine unleashing a combo with a robot IRL, how cool would that be.[[/note]], 3) robots are programmed so sophisticatedly (and we see hints of this when Atom sits up on his own, and saves Max) that no or very little human input is needed. This is actually the only scenario I think that could make robot fighting overtake real fights, because if it were done correctly they could act and respond much faster than a human boxer. Kind of Matrix uber-Neo level fast. Ignoring that metal is notoriously unwieldy.
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