According to Chapter 5, the rules apply to every student in the academic colosseum, which means that Enoshima should abide by these rules as well. If that was the case, why didn't we get an announcement when Ikusaba Mukuro was stabbed by the Gungnir spears? After all, more than three people were present at the time and, according to the rules, a death announcement occurs when three or more students see a body from a person that was killed by another student.
That's because she was killed for attacking Monokuma. It wasn't a murder, but an execution.
In Chapter 3, Asahina leaves her room to get donuts after curfew. But, since it was nighttime, shouldn't the cafeteria have been locked? I know She didn't end up going there anyway, but why would she head there in the first place?
The storeroom in the dormitory area had snacks available and opened up in chapter 2. While there was no guarantee of doughnuts, it still meant the students could get food there while the cafeteria was locked off.
Does this really take place After the End or did the Mastermind just fabricate everything in order to still throw the surviving students into despair?
That's left open at the end. Much of the evidence seems to point to After The End, such as the video shown of the outside world, and the interviews where the students willingly confine themselves to the school to escape the outside world, as well as Genocider seeming to confirm their suspicions about the end of the world. Now, the first two, you might believe, could be fabricated, but there is seemingly no reason for Genocider to lie, especially to her precious Togami. Now, this troper has not played the sequel, which might answer your question with more certainty.
It does happen, but it's a Class1 at the worst, even according to Monokuma, and it's still in progress. In the sequel, a concentrated effort to reverse the damage has begun.
Why does Sayaka write Leon's name with the Latin alphabet instead of with Kana (or Kanji, though I can assume that she might not have known what Kanji it's written with)? That just feels like a random choice to me.
Possibly because it was far easier to do it with the Latin alphabet from behind, whilst dying than it would be with the complex strokes of kana. Or to give it a more meta explanation, simply so that they could have a puzzle.
Also because it would have been harder for Leon Kuwata, her murderer to notice her spelling it out. It would have been less obvious.
Another question along these lines: given that there's no other sign of them being on a first-name basis in the original, why did she write "Leon" and not "Kuwata"?
Most likely for same reason as for using Latin alphabet: Speed and ease. She was dying and in lot of pain. Writing 4 letters is faster then writing 6 letters and shorter message was easier to hide as well
What did the Puppetmaster do to their bodies? Both Kirigiri and (posthumously) Sakura accuse the Puppetmaster of having tampered with the bodies of all the participants, but this isn't mentioned or addressed again. Perhaps they were referring to their memories, but that doesn't really encompass their bodies per se.
They were, in fact, referring to their altered memories. While the mastermind outright refused to explain how they managed that during the game, the PrequelDangan Ronpa Zero eventually sheds more light on their methods.
It's also possible that Kirigiri was referring to the two years of growth, which everyone should've noticed, really. Not noticing slight changes over the course of two years is understandable, but if you aged two years in one day due to amnesia, something about your reflection would be slightly but noticeably off.
When Mondo was executed, it's shown that he was, as i quote from the character page, "sent around an electrified cage at high speeds until he's little more than a fine paste. Which Monobear apparently eats.". A few chapters later, when the students are investigating the latest case they come across a morgue, where the corpses of the dead students are being stored, with one exception that isn't Mondo. Isn't this just one giant contradiction? Was Mondo really turned into butter and eaten, is the butter being stored in the morgue for some reason, or is his actual body in there?
It might be that just his body fat was drained and turned into butter, but the rest of his remains were stored away.
In the "bad ending" why wasn't Kyouko saved in the same way Makoto was? Alter Ego arguably had a closer relationship with her than with him to begin with.
From what I understand, the "bad ending" never really happened, and was a figment of Naegi's imagination. After the cutscene, it fades back to Naegi at the trial where he basically says "I can't let that happen!" He did not know that Alter Ego was still alive, which is why the execution didn't end the same way. Although, how in the world he imagined exactly what the execution was, I don't know...
Naegi absorbed some of Maizono's powers. The (possibly symbolic) clue is at the end of the first trial when he knows Kirigiri wants to talk to him about Maizono, and then says 'Of course. I'm an esper', 'I'm kidding. It was just a feeling, that's all'. Maizono can read minds and get other people's thoughts, but maybe it works the other way round too, so that Maizono left some of herself in Naegi after going into Naegi's mind. It's more than likely, given Naegi's ability to absorb powers from other students just by socializing with them - and the first person he socialized with was Maizono! Enoshima was 'inside' Monokuma, so it had some of Enoshima's warped energies channelled into it, which Naegi read subconsciously.
That's confusing though. How come we're seen a picture of the murder's ending and the group deciding to stay inside. If it's all a hallucination why think up of so many bad things that will happen and then change his mind?
Even if he is an optimist, when things are going badly, you tend to think the worst things! Kirigiri gets executed. Hagakure had already predicted that they would both father a child from the same woman, which Naegi violently denies everytime Hagakure mentions it. So that appears. Fuwaka dies for some reason. They stay inside the school forever. That's some pretty awful stuff! And as our designated protagonist, it was Naegi's job to fix that.
With the localized PS Vita release and the bonus Dangan Academy sim, there is now solid support to this theory. Some of the character endings include using information that Naegi couldn't get from freetime events like Celeste's dream of a luxurious life. More directly, Maizono's ending has her mentioning a promise she knows Naegi didn't make. Naegi then gets a flashback of that promise from the main story after the first motive was given. Considering that Dangan Academy makes it clear that it takes place in an alternate universe where the killings didn't even have a chance to get started, the idea of Naegi getting psychic powers is suddenly not so ridiculous.
That's because Kyouko doesn't have Super High School Luck.
I read a theory somewhere that there's a possibility that in the Bad Ending, Alter Ego hadn't had time to fully infect the machine by the time Kirigiri was executed. Naegi choosing not to call her out buys Alter Ego the time it needs to infect the machine.
Actually, how does Naegi know what the punishment of the bad end is anyways before he experiences it first hand?
If the verdicts are determined by majority vote, what's the point of MTBs? There's no real point in forcing the culprit to shut up when it hurts their credibility to be so immature, and you've probably already convinced the majority of the other students by the point an MTB comes up anyway.
MTBs are considered the game's equivalent of a Boss Battle and the culprit's last desperate act, so it makes sense that they are acting immature in a fit of desperation. Besides that, not all of them are versus the culprit, nor are they all at the end when the culprit has pretty much been decided.
Chapter 2's MTB is against Ishimaru, who does not want to believe Mondo is the culprit, so he defends him. Ishimaru also does not vote for Mondo when the time comes.
Chapter 4 has three MTBs mid-trial in succession, in the form of a Boss Rush, none of which are the versus culprit.
Chapter 5's is also mid-trial and also not versus the "culprit".
If I may ask... what the heck is The Worst, Most Despair-inducing Incident in the History of Mankind? What the heck happened?
They don't explain it in THIS game. The sequel, however...
If all the students had Laser-Guided Amnesia, erasing the last two years of their lives at school and making them think they've just recently arrived, shouldn't they each have noticed something suddenly different about themselves? Teenagers grow and change a lot during that time, after all.
Since it was guided amnesia (managing to remove people's memories at the exact moment they enter the school) it could have been designed not to such a person's mental self-image of themselves. So they lose the two years of memory, but the keep their memory and impression of what they should look like rather than what they looked like two years prior.
When/why did Yamada find out Celes' real name?
It's implied that moments before his death he regained his original memories that he met the students before coming to Hope Peak Academy. In that original memory, he probably remembered Celes as her original name instead of her stage name.
Confirmed in the manga.
In the pictures everyone got for the final trial, the strange thing was how Junko's face was always hidden. But was it intentional/significant that in every photo, Celes was wearing the same thing, standing in the back, in the same exact pose? Because that seems pretty strange, when every other character at least changed outfits, or expressions, or positions.
That could be marked up to two things: 1) Celes purposely staying out of the athletic activities, and 2) cost cutting measures. Remember that for two of those pics, Ogami, Yamada, and Ishimaru were almost in the exact same poses, and much more up front in the picture as well.
So Celes is the SHSL Gambler. However, most of the things she does are based on lying by self-inserting herself in those grand stories of gambling, and her nickname is "Queen of Liars". So why is she instead designated 'SHSL Gambler'? 'SHSL Liar' is sounding even more fitting than SHSL Gambler at this rate...
While SHSL Liar does sound cool, in this troper's mind, Gambler fits the theme better, because most other SHSL titles are professions/specific activities (for instance: Writer, Doujin Artist, Swimmer, Wrestler). And while Celes is the Queen of Liars, her lying is mostly attributed to gambling and gambling stories, as opposed to the many many things she could use a lying talent for. So I think her talent is lying, but she uses that talent to be a SHSL Gambler.
You mean to grandify herself and present herself like an SHSL Gambler when in truth she wasn't even that skilled in an actual gambling? Or if we go by the manga, lying about how grand herself is when in truth, Taeko Yasuhiro is an extremely common and plain self? With how she executed the Celes stage name stuffs, she could also pass up as SHSL Roleplayer better than 'Gambler' since she probably has poor gambling skills and everything else was just made-up. Her free-time made it look like she's making a Self-Insert Fic and roleplays as an expert and her whole life was roleplaying the persona 'Celestia Ludenberg' she made up to escape her plain self... Roleplayer is also some sort of specific activity, right? (Definitely not a profession)
It's quite possible, however, that despite cribbing stories in her free-time events, that she really IS skilled at Gambling, precisely because she's such a renowned liar. Keep in mind, the headmaster DID have in-depth profiles on the students, so it's still very likely that her title was earned, otherwise there's little reason why Monokuma WOULDN'T use this to rub salt in the wounds.
The way she made several hiccups in her murder plot in Chapter 3 seems to hint that Celes isn't really skilled at gambling or scheming, especially that if she really is the skilled gambler as stated, she knew not to make the hiccup or act more aggressive than usual, or pick something else as a mean to bluff people (but otherwise, the game would be rendered Unwinnable). This seems to point to the fact that Celes probably never gambled against anyone, but being a skilled liar and having known many stories about gambling, she makes it look like she's this gambling Goddess, while in truth she really was just lying. There's a difference between actually having experienced gambling and only reading stories about a great gambler, and Celes actions shows to leer to the latter. It is more probable that the in-depth profile of Celes that the headmaster has would be her past as Taeko Yasuhiro, and if the manga is to go by, it's about her dirty secret of actually being a ostracized girl due to being The Generic Girl and that all of her Celes escapades were lies.
The only real hiccup she made was the slip up about the number of people dead, it's kind of pointed out that her plan would fundamentally work if not for her choice in allies. The whole Justice Robo thing backfires because of all of Yamada's blunders (leaving a trail with the trolley, leaving evidence on Ishimaru, dumping far more blood on himself than neccessary, etc.) and she was basically screwed by association (all the actions she could have found passable and plausible excuses for turn into damning evidence against her). Can't really talk about her gambling prowess based on this case since halfway through the trail for her it became completely unwinnable.
Well, she's at least good enough at gambling games to beat Makoto when you spend time with her. So even though her stories are way too over-the-top to be true, she probably has had a reasonably successful "career" doing things like playing in poker tournaments and such.
During the third case, why did they spend so much time establishing that Yamada was still alive when they saw his "body" the first time when the answer seems so obvious? The second time they found him, he was definitely still alive enough to talk and finger "Yasuhiro," so he couldn't have been dead the first time! It seems they mostly established that he was still ambulatory enough to clean his glasses and climb the stairs.
It's apparently just the style of this game. There were several occasions where I slightly tuned out because they were discussing something that was just so obvious that I assumed it was supposed to be taken for granted, then tuned back in, started overthinking things, and lost points because I thought the answer was so obvious that they had to be talking about something else.
You do realize that the second time they find him is directly after a corpse announcement (announcing him all but died), and Yamada is only shown to be alive after Aoi tears fall upon his face in what was described in story as a once in a lifetime movie moment (someone's tears bringing a person back to life.) Also they didn't spend a lot of time establishing he was alive to begin with, the whole discussion was about Yamada's involvement in the case, with his faking his death only being a part of that longer discussion.
But the point of the scene was that tears don't work that way in this universe.
Yes but the point was that the tears even waking him up (when he was again literally already pronounced died) was considered a fluke/miracle. And the point that you mentioned is made because Yamada stayed died after that first fluke, so obviously reality doesn't work that way.
If Monobear managed to find Alter Ego during chapter 4, on what basis did Kirigiri decide that the bath changing room was actually safe? I never understood why anybody thought this at all, really. How does a lack of cameras mean a lack of microphones?
Also, they seem to alternate between being careful to avoid drawing attention and blithely talking about Alter Ego by name in rooms like the cafeteria that do have cameras.
Did you miss the part where the laptop being used for Alter Ego was left there by Monobear in the first place? He knew about it the whole time and was just letting them think he had no clue about it. He only decided to kill Alter Ego when it started to investigate deeper in to information that Monobear wanted hidden
Sorry? Monokuma knowing about Alter Ego has nothing to do with how the students act when they think he doesn't know.
First the initial point is based on Monobear founding out about Alter Ego, when he already knew about the laptop to begin with, so the security level of its hiding place is irrelevant., secondly the person who hid Alter Ego there to begin with was Fujisaki and Kirigiri herself is shown to occasionally look over the place and stand guard so this is made to sound like neither of them went over the area themselves to check over the place to be careful. And lastly on your point other than the occasional name drop (other than the time Kirigiri was talking about it in the cafeteria) the kids seem far more busy keeping what Alter Ego was doing secret away from Monobear. And considering if Monobear didn't already have knowledge about it, he wouldn't really get anything from just the name Alter Ego anyway. Honestly considering the whole issue was of privacy, there really is nothing surprising about their behavior (other than over acting sometimes).
So considering the Worst, Most Despair-Inducing Incident in the History of Mankind, just how exactly did the mastermind get all Hope's Peak's food? Especially since it was intended for them to live on indefinitely, and a lot of it seemed fresh.
The fruits and vegetables and eggs could come from the greenhouse and chicken coop on the fifth floor. But that doesn't account for the milk Celes is so picky about, or Asahina's donuts (does the mastermind fry them by hand?).
If Genocider Syo wasn't affected by amnesia, then how come she couldn't recognize who Junko was in the last trial?
It's Genocider Syo, she probably feigned ignorance to make a joke. Or she just forgot. It's Shou after all.
Toko and Syo don't share memories and I doubt that Syo ever woke up while Touko was in school since its unlikely that Touko saw blood (Syo's trigger) during class. If Syo never took Touko's place in class she obviously would have never met Junko as a student, and thus couldn't recognize them, since Junko was never a public figure during the most despairing event in history and Syo wouldn't pay much attention to the sort of magazine's that would feature her.
All the executions were themed in advance. Leon, baseball. Oowada, bike. Celes, witch burning. Alter Ego, smashed into a scrap metal ball. Naegi's was themed after being unlucky, detention. However, wasn't this supposed to be Kirigiri's execution if Monokuma had his way? Shouldn't he have made one themed for Kirigiri instead if that's who he was going for? Also, why the hatch at the end? None of the other punishments had a quick way to dispose of everything, in fact, they all stayed until everyone left. Also, bodies don't go to the trash, they go to the bio lab. How much of this was planned in advance?
If you mean the whole School Life of Mutual Killing, then all of it was planned out from the beginning. If you mean Naegi's/Kirigiri's execution then that was probably planned more recently since the entire point of the Fifth Trial was to frame and execute one of them. Also the execution was less about being themed toward Naegi/Kirigiri and more themed toward giving discipline to the kids who disobeyed Monobear. Also it's a conveyor belt with the hatch being apart of the whole contraption the led directly to the sealed basement, so the whole thing fits together.
The "Detention" execution was themed towards the both of them, considering that Kirigiri was the daughter of the Headmaster. They were the only two Monobear seemed intent on punishing, so it makes sense that the execution would be something to match both of them.
So Monokuma knew, in advance, that someone would need the detention punishment? That someone would take the key? Remember, all the punishments were shown in the final execution, and I don't think Junko would leave any possible executions out due to her fetish for despair, so I can only assume she planned every execution in advance... as well as the entire school life of mutual killing. That, and the time it would take to set up those punishments is too long to make just before the class trial, so they must have been made far in advance.
Simple, that execution was meant solely for Kirigiri. Naegi ending up in it was an unintentional turn of events when the trial went Off the Rails from what Monobear intended. Other elements that make it clear that it was meant specifically for her is that Kirigiri is always looking forward toward the truth, so naturally he forces her to face away from what will kill her, and the execution was mostly psychological, focused more on breaking the victim's composure than causing them physical pain, which would be much more appropriate for the stoic, intellectual Kirigiri than the everyman Naegi.
Was the surveillance network and the Monobears created after the students were voluntarily locked away at the school? Or did SHSL Despair somehow predict that would happen and set things up in advance?
The were all made in advance, this whole School of Mutual Killing had been planned for a while.
Applies more to the game than the anime: the first hint of Fukawa's split personality is when she passes out at the sight of Fujisaki's body and wakes up acting strangely. Her fear of blood is a plot point. So why didn't she pass out or change to Syo when she saw "Junko" being impaled or Kuwata being bludgeoned to a pulp? Not as much of a headscratcher in the anime because she does pass out in the first case.
Going to correct you on the Fujisaki case, since it was more Fukawa's surprise about seeing a supposed Genocider murder that caused her to pass out (which is probably what woke up Genocider in the first place now that I think about). In the case of Leon she seems to be trying to close her eyes and shake her head to get the image out. No clue about "Junko", though if you go by IF Fukawa may have just been averting her eyes away from "Junko" like when she avoided looking at the Naegi after he was wounded and bleeding.
Good points, but another comment on the first thing: Fukawa also passed out in Chapter 3 after she saw Ishimaru's body, so it's not just Genocider's MO that triggers her.
I know, but the implication of the scene was that the cause was more her seeing Genocider's MO then specifically passing out at the sight of the body. Though every other instance after seeing a dead body directly she passes out (Ishimaru, the Lab, "Junko's" Corspe") from the get go so even then it's probably just the first time had more plot relevance and therefore needing to have more in depth meaning than "She passed out due to her issues with blood"
So did the Most Despair Inducing Event In The History Of Mankind happen worldwide or just in Japan?
I'm guessing that if the images of Monokuma on the Statue of Liberty and other famous monuments are real, then worldwide.
Why does everyone assume that Alter Ego made a Heroic Sacrifice and is now gone once he/she/it saves Naegi?
Because the laptop containing Alter Ego's program was destroyed and purged from the school's system. Once it saves Naegi Monokuma went through and purged the system again of the last trace that was left. That Alter Ego doesn't return again in the first game after that point reinforces that viewpoint.
Regarding Sayaka's plan in Chapter 1: If she did carry out Leon's murder as intended, how did she plan on framing Makoto for it? Even if she switched the nameplates back, Makoto could clear up (or stir up) confusion very quickly by revealing the room swap. Furthermore, someone could have seen either of them leave their rooms in the morning and could have become an unintentional witness. Considering everyone's lives are on the line during class trials, the whole room swap thing would have been thoroughly investigated, probably even down to the hair in the rooms, courtesy of Kirigiri.
Togami and Fukawa put it best: Naegi's too nice to just throw her to the dogs like that, and even if he did, who would you believe, the nationally-loved idol or the unimpressive-looking nobody? Plus, she didn't know about the class trial part of Graduation.
It became clear from Kirigiri's approach to that trial that convincing Naegi that Sayaka betrayed him wouldn't be possible till all the evidence was handed to him at once. Her plan probably didn't end at the room-switch anyway; she could've washed the knife in one of the bathrooms, waited outside till morning, then put it back in the kitchen before anyone arrives.
In the second case, after it is revealed that Byakuya crucified Chihiro but did not move them to the girls changing room, one obvious question remains. Why was Byakuya entering the girl's changing room?
Because he saw Oowada leaving the girl's locker room in secret. He says as much.
Replaying the second chapter, Byakuya says that he is heading from the library to his room and sees Mondo coming out of the girl's locker room. However, the locker rooms are not connected to the main hallway, there is another room in between. Byakuya could have seen Mondo coming out of this room, but not the girl's locker room. There would be nothing particularly suspicious about this.
If the door to the locker room lobby is open they still could have seen it. Since they explicitly say they saw Mondo coming out of the girl's locker room we can conclude that Chihiro had left the door to the hallway open and Byakuya saw the events he described that way. The closing statement also shows that the door to the girl's locker room was already open when Byakuya showed up, so maybe Mondo left it open.
The corpse from Chapter 5 has a bomb strapped to it, with the resulting explosion burning the corpse to make it impossible to identify it. As it turns out in Chapter 6, the corpse is, of course Ikusaba Mukuro's and the reason the explosion was done was so that nobody would realize she was actually the Enoshima Junko they met. This Troper just wonders why exactly the real Junko didn't just remove the wig or change the clothes of the corpse to hide the imposter part. After all, nobody recognized Mukuro's face when they saw her student file or the group photos. What made Junko think they would've realized it, had they found Mukuro's corpse - minus the Enoshima wig?
A few reasons. First, the despair factor of them thinking it could have been Kyoko's corpse. It would be exposed later but Junko's all about the despair. Next, it's unlikely Ikusaba's hair is a wig due to how impractical that would be (how many different ways could it have been knocked off in the first room alone?) and it's more likely that she just dyed and styled her hair to complete the disguise rather than take half measures. She was only going to be there for a few days before the plan meant she would taken out of their site (just not in the way she was expecting), and even if Junko shaved off all of her hair and removed the nails give Kyoko twenty minutes and she would be able to prove who she was and list every time she touched anyone. Nobody recognised her face in the photo, but they weren't focusing on her face constantly to figure out who her corpse belonged to. Plus, the body still had all the wounds which would have been a big identifier.
Alright, so about the English dub. Why is it that almost all of the characters names in the game get changed to a First Name Basis but Monokuma gets his name to stay the same? That kind of bugs me.
The original developers specifically asked to not translate Monokuma to Monobear or anything like that, because they wanted to preserve the pun of Monochrome (monokuuromu) and Kuma/bear. Other than that, well, changed to First Name Basis due to most western people probably not understanding the significance it can have in games that people refer to each other by last names only, unless they're close.
Is it just me, or would Leon's plan have succeeded if he'd washed his shirt like he originally planned? There isn't any forensic equipment in the school, and as far as he knows, no one would be able to use it. That or he could've just hidden it, possibly under his bed like Kyokou did in Chapter 5 with Mukuro's profile. Up until his toolkit comes into the discussion, no one has any reason to search his room, yet going with the method requiring the one skill that could pin the crime on him seems like Complexity Addiction.
It wouldn't have worked. The water is turned off at night, which if we take it at face value and not assume Monokuma is just referring to the water to the bathrooms means that Leon would have to wait until 7 am the next morning to start washing his shirt and run the risk of someone catching him in the act or the blood drying and not getting off in time. He might have lived if he hid the shirt under his bed, but he wasn't thinking clearly about the whole situation as it was and chose the best way to permanently get rid of the evidence.
Regarding the bodycount by Chapter 4, it had just been established in the previous trial that partnerships could be reached if both were to kill someone as each other's accomplice. At a remaining 7 students, what would stop two people from taking advantage of Monokuma's "serial killer angle" by killing at least two other people in a single trial? With the group brought down to 3, even if the innocent party witnessed the murder, the accomplices could vote against that person in order to force a "wrong" conclusion, leading to that person's execution and the accomplices' freedom as a pair of blackened. Seems like an oversight on Monokuma's part.
Because of the remaining seven and a half students (counting Genocider Jill/Syo as half a separate entity), there was no one who was both willing to murder someone (everyone except for Byakuya and Jill/Syo) and who could have an accomplice (the former is above teamwork, leaving only the latter with no accomplice). Theoretically nothing was stopping it, but nobody would have gone through with it. Although there is always the possibility that Monokuma would have just pulled a fast one and state that there are two different crimes, therefore while you'd go free by being voted in as the blackened in the murder you did, you would be executed because you didn't convict the blackened in the other case. But in either case it's no oversight on Monokuma's part; he wants there to be more murders as part of his goal, if two people manage to get out (and as described he still has a perfectly good justification to execute at least one of the killers anyway) it still proves his point about hope and despair.
Why didn't anyone bother breaking the glass/windows in the cafeteria? Unless A) it wasn't able to be broken B) It was too obvious of a way to get out of the school or C) It was against the rules? Maybe I'm overthinking this?
Looking through the glass it doesn't look like it actually goes anywhere, there's another wall not far outside that would also block escape (and when the academy was operating normally there'd probably be some walls on the other side to keep intruders away from the students). We don't get a clear shot of it in the game, but in the Anime you can see more metal plates on the other side of the glass. And since the whole point of the metal plates was to keep the students safe from the outside world it's highly unlikely they would overlook something so obvious.