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Headscratchers: Charmed
  • In season eight, how did Phoebe get a positive on a pregnancy test and then not? Pregnancy tests do not give false positives.
    • Actually, sometimes they do. They are very rare but they can happen.
  • When Paige told Phoebe and Piper about her suspicions about Cole, why didn't they use the magic glasses shown earlier to show that Paige was wrong? They had just used the glasses before to see the source. Paige could have remembered it and suggested it.
    • Their memories aren't perfect? I think they wanted to avoid a row by at least talking to Phoebe about their suspicions. They only knew that Cole was in contact with demons - they had no reason to believe he had powers again. And they have more pressing concerns in that episode - the wizard and the new Source being crowned. That's the episode they find out about him anyway so they just didn't have time to explore all their options.

  • Alright, I probably speak for a lot of fans, but why is it that in the later seasons, Piper and Paige don't allow whatever do-badder they're facing to injure Phoebe?
    • Probably because, no matter what the fans think, she's their sister and they love her. Besides, if it goes too far and she's dead they really are screwed.

  • Forget the damn glasses, what about the Elders? They're so omnipresent that in season 3 the sisters and Leo had to avoid saying the word "marriage" because they'd be overheard, yet the Elders never noticed Cole doing any of the aboveground stuff he did when possessed by the Source? In the Underworld, they're blind, but he wasn't always there, was he now?
    • The Seer cast a spell that protected Cole from Phoebe's premonitions so perhaps it protected him from being seen by the Elders too.
    • Remember the half-demon baby a couple of seasons later? The Elders said he was a demon and could not be raised to anything else. They probably saw what was happening and chose to let it continue so that the sisters would vanquish Cole, thus ensuring that children he would presumably have had with Phoebe would never exist and "pollute" the Halliwell line.
  • Why didn't Leo mention the Magic School before Season six? He knew how much the sisters were struggling with magic.
    • The damn Magic School was only created to mooch off the popularity of Harry Potter.
    • Well yes, but also because Magic School seems to be geared mostly to teens and a younger generation of magic users. There probably wasn't a program for teaching older witches how to use their powers.
    • There is the possibility that it could create a sticky situation regarding the demons. If word got out that the Charmed Ones were inexperienced and having to take classes, demons might become more aggressive and try to take advantage. It's not widely known how trained the sisters are - they're known as powerful and thus demons are wary of them. But if their enemies knew they were needing help with their powers....
  • Season 4, 'Saving Private Leo'. The brothers Mandylor kill a potential Whitelighter who goes on to be an actual Whitelighter, according to prior show mythology, but the show treats it as if she'd been vanquished. WTF?
    • The woman probably didn't go on to fulfill the good she was meant to in order to become a whitelighter. And Leo takes it hard because she was his charge, remember whitelighters have specical connections with their charges.
  • Why in the first three season, 99% of the male characters using magic are evil? Even the Distaff Counterpart Spear Counterpart of the Charmed Ones is evil! FGS...
    • This is more of a complaint than Fridge Logic but whateves. Most of the magical men are evil is because the show was trying to go for the 'empowered women' schtick but delved too far to "women are good men are evil" sexist cliche. There is a difference between the two.
      • Although, ironically enough their most Anvilicious episodes in that regard were the ones that went against saying all men are evil. Take note of Grams and Billie learning their lesson about sexism.
      • One would argue that Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped in that case. The first two seasons also had Constance M. Burge in charge and she protested against the introduction of the show's first alpha male figure - and Cole did help level off some of the sexism against men.
  • Andy's death in season 1. The Charmed Ones had plenty of time to avoid his death, yet they grabbed the Idiot Ball HARD and let it happen. The result? Prue ended up having the worst storylines from that time on.
    • I'm guessing you're a fan of Andy/Prue (Prandy?) The mistake was Andy's not the girls'. He was warned of his possible death and risked his life anyway. Sure the girls could've let time rewind and do it all over again, but why take the risk? There would've been a higher chance of all three of the girls being killed on the next reset. It was better for them to end it then then risk another life.
    • Except Phoebe kept remembering things that happened from the previous time loops. On the third loop she remembered nearly everything so what would have stopped her from warning them about exactly what would happen and how to avoid Rodriguez's attack.
      • She kept having Deja Vus, reacting to the attacks, not remember everything the instant they woke up. And it seemed to be an side-effect of diying in the previous loop, as Piper also had a couple reactions on the last loop.
      • Those dčja-vus are indistinguishable from her premonition, maybe because they are premonitions.
  • How did Phoebe get away with riding naked on a horse in the middle of San Fransisco? I know that San Fransisco is liberal but there is such a thing as public indecency laws. Also, why didn't she have Piper sue the cafe or some other legal action?
    • She was a local celebrity. Maybe she got away with saying it was a publicity stunt. Perhaps the city council didn't want bad press from reprimanding a woman making an accusation of sexism, especially a well-known one who is a journalist herself. She didn't get Piper to sue the cafe because she wanted a big spectacle instead. Of course she should have shamed the customers who complained about Piper's breast feeding as opposed to the waiter who tried to keep his customers happy.
  • The Black and White Morality in general. I'm a shades of gray fan, personally...
    • More like if you are born evil, you will stay evil. If you are good, you will stay good unless you are turned evil and you cannot go back to being good.
    • That's even worse. That's like saying only certain people have free will to choose what side (if any; what about the neutrals?) they're on, and if they don't choose to walk the straight and narrow - as decided by, who, the Elders? - they lose it. WTF? I mean, that doesn't even make sense.
    • This was particularly annoying when Cole tried to subvert this, but ended up getting told, "You're evil and you always will be evil no matter how you feel or what you do!" repeatedly.
    • Exactly! Between that and having powers that weren't his - which we already knew was very bad - no wonder he went batshit. This is why I wrote a fanfic in which he wises up and gets out of town after Sympathy for the Demon.
    • Actually, I think its more like a Black, White & Pink morality, but because the lead sister is also the Moral Guardian it leads to jarring double standards. Compare and contrast: Phoebe's Demon ex-boyfriend, her half-demon baby & Billie? OMG, so totally Evil. Prue's ex-boyfriend, Piper's (potential) infant terrible and the Chimaera family Piper found? Redeemable.
    • The issue with the morality of the show isn't so much its color as its Halliwell-centeredness.
  • Why did the elders give Phoebe Coop as an apology? Shouldn't they had given something to Piper instead since they had bothered her the most? It felt like kinda wrong to give a perfect lover as a gift.
    • Considering the above with Phoebe and Cole, it's actually quite fitting. Phoebe has a history of falling for guys both good and bad and simply not being cut out for whatever relationship she's in when it came down to it, so once everything wears on her to the point she just wants to write columns and find a baby daddy, she gets a mail-ordered man from the sky. Really she's got the most superficial happy ending of the sisters, if you think about it. And Piper? There's nothing the Elders could give her that Denise Dowse as the Angel of Destiny didn't conditionally curb-stomp when she agreed to freeze Leo instead of having him killed off.
      • I think that's a bit unfair towards Phoebe's [completely valid] career choice. After all, column writing was good to her - in fame & fortune if nothing else - and acted as her humanity chain during her Queen of the Underworld arc, not to mention putting her Psych degree to good use. Aside form that its also implied she was pre-destined for something like it anyways with her Empathy power. As for the baby thing, well she has always been good with babies & she was getting to "that point" in her life....
      • It wasn't necessarily her career choice itself that I was attempting to bring attention to, in fact I could've left it out entirely. It was part of the fact, though, of what she became in good time due to her string of failed relationships and, yes, getting to "that point" in her life. She basically wanted to be a mother so badly she occasionally jeopardized her magical duties to have more time to do so, and finding love with a cupid who was explicitly sent for the purpose…kind of underwhelming compared to Piper and Leo, and even Paige and Henry (as he had to actually earn his way, being a Muggle and all).
      • How about the fact that Phoebe and Coop decided they were in love and got married just because Future!Chris called him Uncle Coop? 'Here's your We're Sorry guy, don't spend time getting to know him before marrying him?'
      • Who's to say they didn't? A season 9 fanfic did explore a lot of relationship issues between the two, Coop never having experienced one from the inside before. Phoebe knows perfectly well that the future can change and she learned her lesson with Dex.
  • It's pretty well known that the Elders really don't like it when their Whitelighters date their charges. Paige had to be hidden after she was born. However, in the last season there's a a half-Whitelighter witch from Britain, trying to woo Paige. Why does he get a free pass? Also, why does he get to use magic against mortals without the law of three affecting him?
    • Had Simon actually done real damage to Henry or managed to steal Paige from him, we maybe could've seen problems with the Powers That Be. Besides, they've mellowed out since Piper and Leo proved a point.
    • Maybe the British Elders are a bit more relaxed...
  • My memory is a little foggy since, specially about secondary characters but, Paige's Avatar-hating boyfriend becoming a whitelighter/angel or whatever they made him. I mean why? don't his intentions matter? He didn't do anything because he wanted to do something good, he was 110% just out to get revenge on his parents and just out of luck he did a good thing. What about when he tried to kill Leo just because he was an Avatar? he doesn't want to kill the Avatar that killed his parents, he want's to kill AN Avatar, period, in fact not even that, he wants them all dead. What kind of message is that? it's like an orphan going on a killing spree on white/black/Asian/etc. because their killer was of that race. So you're a racist douche, but you did manage to do one good thing even if it was by accident and for the wrong reasons and intentions, so we're gonna reward you.
    • The Elders didn't like The Avatars and were against their plan. Brody tried to stop their plan and killed an Avatar, greatly weakening their collective power. He effectively put off the Avatars' plot for another few years. The Elders rewarded him for that.
    • By that point it's been made obvious that the elders are morally reprehensible at times. Doing things that fit their agenda rather than what is actually good.
    • Agreed. Also, he became a whitelighter. Piper and Leo dated, why couldn't Paige and Brody do the same?
      • I guess the reason for Paige an Brody not being together is that the Elders didn't want a second pairing of Piper and Leo on their hands. Leo and Piper have a large set of Berserk Buttons relating to each other. Including Leo going on rampages and killing Elders in the name of love. As for Brody being a Whitelighter, he was a very decent man, so I Handwave it to being that.
  • The casting choices for loads of male characters in the show: an ordinate amount of them are lantern-jawed white guys with a suspiciously similar set of features. This (white!) troper has a hard time keeping male characters straight because they all look so similar. I wasn't even sure who was Andy and who was Jeremy in the pilot episode sometimes. What's up with that, casting directors? Did you think the people watching the show had really limited tastes in what they considered attractive?
    • Now that you mention it, this troper can't remember a single love interest of the sisters that was ethnic in any discernible way apart from the Character Of the Day Mark Chang for Piper (S1) and even he ended up passing on by the end of the episode...
    • There was Mason, Paige's boss's son who was black in S4 though only in one episode.
  • Season 4, a de-powered Cole buys a gun for protection, which in the Halliwell Manor makes perfect sense because demons really like to show up and take potshots at the residents. Yet everyone acts like it's this terrible thing. He bought it to shoot at demons, and the sisters kill demons (oh, sorry, "vanquish", but it's really killing) regularly. Shooting one probably won't kill it, but doing so would give Cole a chance to get out of the line of fire, not to mention the sound of a gunshot would bring the rest of the house running. So, what the hell?
    • Knowing the sisters, they'd try to rationalize it in some way such as, "Making demons/warlocks/blacklighters spontaneously combust is different than shooting them". Or it's possible they just didn't like the idea of Cole having anything dangerous at his disposal.
    • Maybe it was a warning that guns are bad?
    • Andy tried using a gun against a demon, and got an energy ball to the face for his trouble while accomplishing absolutely nothing other than to annoy said demon a little. Maybe Phoebe didn't want her boyfriend risking his life trying to attack a demon with a weapon that was completely useless against them.
  • The characters aren't supposed to be rolling in cash - they often talk about the problem of having enough money to maintain and keep the manor, among other things. Yet in every episode, they're shown wearing spanking-new clothing and jewelry. They apparently even have enough money to replace Piper's shoes every time they get a stain. Sorry, but if you can afford to be a fashion plate 24/7, I seriously doubt you're in very dire financial straits.
    • I you think about it, that's probably why they're in such financial straits, and that Grandfather Clock won't just fix itself every time they vanquish a demon with it...
      • It's also not incredibly difficult to be a fashion plate, especially in a place like San Francisco. Between outlet malls, vintage clothing shops, and the internet, it's pretty easy to find clothes on the cheap (The same question was asked about Kurt Hummel on Glee.)
      • Apparently, you've never been so poor you had to choose between new clothes and paying the bills. If the sisters still have enough money to buy new clothes or jewelry (even "on the cheap") whenever they get a stain in something or just feel the urge to buy something new, they really have no room to complain about not having enough money to pay the bills.
      • Let's face it, the Halliwells are a little more vain than you'd think in some ways given that they're the main characters in a relatively successful show. The amount of times they get turned evil or end up holding the Idiot Ball should show that a bit.
    • The sisters also end up with reasonably high paying jobs. Piper runs a night club, Phoebe is an incredibly successful columnist - someone who gets billboards and ads on the street is bound to be getting a high salary - and Paige had a job as a social worker for the fourth season. Maybe Victor sends the sisters some money as a way of being more involved in their lives too? Plus notice how the clothes don't become that fashionable and unlimited until the third and fourth seasons where the sisters have been working for some amount of time. And maybe Prue had life insurance?
    • This troper found it harder to believe that a retiree and a waitress could hold on to such property, so I always guessed the house was grandmothered in as it stayed with them for generations.
  • I never understood all the hype over Wyatt. Supposedly, it was because he was "thrice blessed" as a whitelighter/witch/charmed. But Chris was conceived when Leo was an Elder, so shouldn't he be more powerful and important than Wyatt?
    • Its mentioned in the first season that the first born is always the strongest, which is why Prue is superwitch (and why Billie has stronger powers than Christie). Also, Wyatt - like Phoebe - was born in the house, on top of the Nexus, which gives him a boost too, I believe. So all in all, Wyatt still has more going for him than Chris does. Besides, we don't even know if the Elder thing is taken into account.
    • Wyatt is powerful because he has a prophecy about his birth, the same reason why the Charmed Ones are charmed. Chris is weaker because the universe itself views him as The Unfavorite and gives him no respect, so Wyatt gets extra powers for being the subject of a meaningless prophecy and Chris's Elder heritage is made to not count.
  • Whitelighters are, by definition, dead. So how can anyone be half-whitelighter? Doesn't that imply that they're half-dead?
    • No - Whitelighters are created by Elders giving the souls of the deceased a new body with whitelightery powers to do their bidding, so they are, in fact, alive (again).
      • Which leads to something that's bugged me: why don't the Elders restore whitelighters who have been killed, like Natalie? Is there some kind of rule about it?
      • Hmmm, that gives me an idea...(to WMG!)
    • It's possible that the Elders respect death to some extent and continuously saving fallen Whitelighters would be cheating it...even though they were already dead, in a sense.
    • Maybe after they've been whitelighters for a certain amount of time, they're allowed to 'retire' and go into the afterlife. If they fall in battle then the Elders allow them to move on.
  • Sometimes the Book of Shadows frustrated me. Occasionally they went for Rule of Funny/Drama/Cool over basic common logic. For example, the spell to Track a Banshee. Could none of the previous witches that wrote in the book have written a little note in the margin that said, "Warning: This spell will turn you into a dog?"
    • Perhaps none of the previous witches had any experience with the spell. It's possible they just plucked it from another witch friend of theirs and knew that it could track banshees but didn't know how.
    • The spell might be different depending on who uses it, or the witch who made it had a dog who she enchanted, and since the sisters didn't had one, it did the next best thing.
    • That doesn't make any sense. If the witch had a dog she wouldn't need to cast the spell, the dog would be able to hear the banshe's call and be able to track it down.
    • It would be able to hear the Banshee, no doubt, but the spell could have been to enchant the dog to seek it to stop the havoc
    • Perhaps back when the spell was written, it was common knowledge that dogs could track banshees. The witch writing it assumed her descendants would know. Or perhaps it was written as a Power of Three spell so the witch couldn't cast it and know what it would do. Just like when Paige wrote a spell to track the Sea Hag - the only way to track her was with a mermaid so the spell turned Phoebe into one.
  • Okay, in the episodes involving Valhalla and the Valkyries, where the heck are the Muggle female warriors of the past or modern times? Is the show saying women cannot be brave enough to earn the honor of helping fight in the final battle? Or do the brave Muggle women just become Valkyries who have extreme dominatrix tendencies running through them?
    • I assumed they became Valkyries, or they were just not shown (it was probably a big island).
    • Valhalla appears to be quite sexist. One of the Valkyries asks how they control men in the real world. Presumably any female warriors become Valkyries. They don't seem surprised when the sisters show up pretending to be them so there must be a lot more than the ones we see. None of them questions the whereabouts of the one Chris killed so there's probably hundreds. If there are hundreds of warriors then there must be more Valkyries to train them.
  • After rewatching All Hell Breaks Loose I've just wondered about this one thing. How the hell did Alice, the woman who shot Piper, managed to sneak a rifle in broad daylight right through police notice? It wasn't like she was in the crowd. She got pass the blockade the police made and climbed onto a van. How could none of them have noticed a woman with a rifle running pass them and climbing onto a van until it was too late? And if say she happened to have kept that rifle in the van the whole time and got it from there instead, why didn't the police think to check out what was in the van in the first instance? I know it is difficult to deal with a whole crowd of people, but these were just a group of fans and haters. There wasn't an indication that they were rioters so they shouldn't have been so distracted to not have notice a woman running pass them with a rifle.
    • Alice claimed she was a witch. She was nuts but perhaps she did have powers. Maybe she cast a spell to distract everyone while she stole the rifle and quickly got onto the van to shoot Piper. A Wizard Did It
  • In the episode Wedding from Hell. There is a male stripper who gets devoured alive by four demons. Why didn't the Charmed ones try to rescue him? Doesn't strippers count as innocents? Instead they watched in horror through a window.
    • They probably came to the sad realization that barging in on a half-dozen demons in the middle of a feeding frenzy would likely result in their deaths, especially since they were still inexperienced with their powers.
  • Season 7, "Ordinary Witches": How come is it Ronnie, the husband, which is expelled out of their home when it was his wife who was cheating on him (and basically admitting it)?
    • I got it: she wasn't cheating on him; he used Phoebe's power of premonition by accident, which is used for seeing things in the future. Her "affairs" were actually men she'd sleep with after she dumped her husband (and one of these men is Phil, who is either Ronnie's brother or a - former - best friend).
    • "Premonition" according to Wiktionary (my italics):
1. A clairvoyant or clairaudient experience, such as a dream, which resonates with some event in the future.
2. A strong intuition that something is about to happen (usually something negative, but not exclusively).

  • No, Ronnie's wife was indeed cheating on him. Phoebe's power allows her to also see the past, when he picked up his bowling trophy he had a vision of his wife sleeping with his bowling buddy. The wife was upset because she thought he was spying on her. She's clearly in the wrong but she's faking outrage at Ronnie so as to deflect from her own guilt.
  • What Happened to the Mouse?: How did Ronnie and his wife solve their argument if he forgot about it? (I mean, whether his wife cheated on him or not.)
  • So, other than a "c" or if you're lucky an "o", how do you expect to get a different letter with peeling an apple and putting the resulting skin on water?
    • A "u" of course! Joking aside, it did seem like a pretty rigged reading. Maybe if the first piece didn't form a letter, they just kept putting more in? Two more pieces and they could probably form any letter.
  • The sisters adjust the disguises so that only family will be able to see through them, but when Phoebe & Dex get married in "Rewitched," he doesn't see through it. Does the spell only apply to people who were around when they cast it?
    • Marriage doesn't automatically make people family and they got married under a spell anyway.


Comparison to Buffy

  • What bothers this troper is that yeah, Charmed wasn't the best show, but it was at least entertaining. Why are people always calling this like the badder cousin of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, why are they compared at all as if Charmed was copying Buffy?
    • Same era, basically. Same network. Supernatural show with female leads. It's only natural for people to see a resemblance. Heck, this troper sees Supernatural in a similar realm to Charmed, because it deals with various supernatural/occult topics with the leads being siblings carrying on a family line, and also, same line of networks.
      • Which is disappointing, as beyond a few superficial similarities, Charmed and Buffy are two very different shows.
      • According to Wikipedia, Charmed was created because the network saw how popular Buffy was and decided to create a supernatural-themed show of their own.
      • Same goes for either show and Supernatural, but that's never stopped imaginative viewers from seeing crossovers.


Prue, the Hypocrite

  • Seriously, season three had Prue being a major hypocrite.
    • Examples, please. Aside from the "Brendan and Cole" and "Idiot Ball over Cole's love" examples.
    • Specifically the episode when her former high school bf Tom turns out to be a demon and is going around killing people. Phoebe even calls her out on the fact that they're saving a human turned demon even though a few episodes earlier Prue refused to listen to Phoebe about Cole being half-human and half-demon.
    • Ah, yes. Tom. That was the episode Prue found out Phoebe faked Cole's death too, right? I think he was the example of the same hypocrisy I was referring to with Brendan and Cole that Phoebe actually called him out on. In fact, like you said, it's even worse. Cause he's actually going around killing people. And she doesn't even love him anymore, so why is she even doing this? Really, compared to Tom, Brendan is just background when it comes to Prue's hypocrisy over Cole.
      • I don't think it's hypocrisy. Brendan had never done anything evil. Prue specifically said he hadn't killed anyone so he could be saved. He was also just days away from no longer being a warlock. Tom had been human once and then was forced into becoming a demon and could also be turned back. The Cole becoming human thing wasn't really broached much in season three since the episode he brings it up he has to go back under cover but I think that Prue would have been very welcoming of a completely human Cole seeing as how she was willing to say she trusted him towards the end of the season.
  • A minor one but in "Chick Flick" it really bugged me when Prue says to Phoebe she's not supposed to see her favourite movie. Seriously piss off Prue she can see whatever film she wants. And then again when Prue says "we so have to monitor your viewing habits". That just really bugged me.
    • Character Development. Prue had to come to grips and accept that Phoebe wasn't the irresponsible "Freebie" anymore that had to be scoffed at or ordered around all the time to avoid wrecking things up. Annoying bossy comments like this were actually stock and trade at one time. Not sure what's exactly hypocritical about this one, though.


  • Charmed Sons campaign bothers me, it seems like they're just holding onto an idea that'll never be.
    • Well, there is a shift in tone within the forum. It seems more concentrated on griping about the Protagonist Centered Black and White Morality of the show these days. This troper knows a member that's actually left because of that.
    • It's just sad now, I was actually trying to help them out by posting a topic on who the characters would be, what episodes or seasonal arcs they would have, what was the premise of the show, basic televisions series things and they deleted it. Not like I was being belligerent or anything wither, I was just asking what their plan for the show would be if it ever was on air but they removed it. Oh well It's pretty much nothing but pointless fan forums now.

The Cleaners

  • I fuckin' hated the CLEANERS!!!
    • And how could there be a future where magic was exposed to humans if there were Cleaners already existing?
      • Oh, that's just the tip of the iceberg. If the Cleaners already existed, how could Andy, Daryl, Victor or any other mortal know about magic? Their job is to prevent exposure period. They felt the need to intervene when Sheridan stumbled onto something magical. Why? Cause she's law enforcement? So are Andy and Daryl. Plus, one Cleaner specifically stated he had been watching over the sisters when they first got their powers. ...Uh-huh. And then there's "All Hell Breaks Loose" - an episode where the sisters are exposed and neither good nor evil know how to "get out of this mess."
      • Andy, Darryl, and Victor weren't setting out to expose or harm magic in anyway. Sheridan was dead set that the Charmed Ones were evil people worth busting and never took a second to think of any other possibilities even after she stalked them as they were breaking a curse. It's somewhat implied she thought making such a bust would get her promoted and this expedited her gung-ho one-track mind state. Also, Tempus still lived during "All Hell Breaks Loose", so they may not have felt the need to interfere.

  • Y'know having the Charmed world lose the Masquerade might have made it better.
    • The drawback is that without fear of exposure, both sides can just use magic willy-nilly. Without having to bother and hide themselves, all manner of demons and whatnot would be free to constantly attack anyone and everyone. There are only so many witches to defend humanity.
      • And considering the number of demons that have required Power of Three vanquishes in the past...
      • Have to agree there. Superhero comic book worlds don't exactly last very long when there are too many more competent heels than faces. This would be the gothic equivalent.
      • They tried that one time and Piper died. And then to fix it Prue died. I don't blame them for not wanting to try again.


Witches, what are they good for?
  • Since witches can't use their power for personal gain, about the only thing they can do with it is do good and fight evil. Yet the vast majority of witches who aren't the Charmed Ones are so weak they tend to drop like flies whenever evil actually shows up. What, then, are witches actually good for if they're so useless?
    • We only see the ones that are so weak they become demonic cannon fodder. The ones that are strong enough to vanquish demons on their own are self-reliant enough they don't need the Charmed Ones (who the show focuses on). The witches we see remind me a little of the Paranet from The Dresden Files, a large group of people with very little power, but powerful enough to be visible to evil and for that they need some form of protection.
      • To be fair, not all the witches are useless, some of them were just unlucky enough to come up against threats even the Charmed Ones had difficulty with.
    • And not to mention, sometimes personal gain can be cheated, if the witch is specific enough in what they want.


Self-defense skills, why doesn't anyone have them?
Demon society is pretty dog-eat-dog, so you'd think some of them would have learned to dodge those lethal fireballs of flaming death they're so fond of throwing at each other, not to mention phials of liquid thrown by young women. Also, good beings tend to get preyed on by evil a lot, so you'd think they'd have learned a few self-defense skills themselves, especially the ones who are supposed to be protecting something important from evil. (See: Nymphs Just Want To Have Fun.)
  • A very good questions considering projectile powers such as fireballs and energy balls don't seem to fly at any super amazing speed. What makes it even more idiotic is that so many demons prefer to get in close, when they could simply snipe their targets from a distance, since pretty much anything coming out of the Underworld has some form of teleportation.


Why doesn't anybody seem to care that the Halliwells are always blowing things up?
While a neighbor brushed off the loud bangs and whatnots at the Halliwell house as wild parties, surely somebody (such as a window repair person) would start getting suspicious after having to repair ballistic damages for the gazillionth time. Seriously, why hasn't anyone sicced the bomb squad on them?
  • Because the guy fixing the damage is Leo. Dan Gordon even asked him if he didn't have any other house to fix, and Leo just sharply answered no. And it says itself that Leo ain't ratting them out.
  • And for the one thing Leo doesn't fix, the window repair man gets a healthy set of jobs, so why should he complain or report it if there's nothing overtly evil going on? It would be a bad business choice.
  • There's a season 5 episode where Paige uses magic to repair the glass on the front door. Presumably they use magic to repair the more severe damages and that scoots around the personal gain clause since they're doing it to stop the neighbours asking questions. And if Leo can use his powers to mend the broken P3 sign then maybe he can also fix some of the damages around the house.


Why didn't the sisters' disguises in season 8 fall under personal gain?
While the sisters have been able to dodge the personal gain clause bullet now and again with clever wording, the forces that govern magic have proven themselves time and again to be nothing if not Lawful Stupid (Paige suffered consequences for repairing a shirt damaged in a fight with a demon!), and well... there's just no way to look at the spell they used in season eight as anything but personal gain. They gained way more out of it personally than Paige would have gained fixing that shirt, that's for sure.
  • Remember that part of their duties as Charmed Ones was to prevent exposure, and the feds came about (*snap*) that close to exposing them. The glamour spell (which was actually at the end of Season 7) was necessary, as was sticking with it into Season 8.
  • Maybe it did but the comeback came from Billie seeing this act as big reason for her to side with her sister and take down the sisters.
  • Depends on what you mean by Personal Gain. The sisters normally associate it with using magic to say get money for themselves or do chores. The glamouring spell just changed their appearances. What they intended to do was all up in the air. All the spell did was create the new identities. The spell didn't affect other people, just themselves.


Gargoyles on Break
It was said Gargoyles awaken when the Source is above ground and keep him out of holy places like Churches. Except when Cole is the Source, he was able to enter the church for Phoebe and his wedding, before it was stopped for other reasons. But the fact still stands he entered.
  • Well, Cole was half-human, so maybe his disguise was just more effective than the old Source possessing someone. Maybe the gargoyles were all like, "Oh, it's just Cole, he's cool and totally not a demon anymore, let's let 'em pass without checking for evil magic?"


Goodness=Order?
I saw a two-part episode where the sisters find themselves in an evil parallel universe where the sisters there were the villains and the villains (demons) are heroes. Somehow they cause a disturbance somewhere because when they return to their own universe it becomes TOO good, to the point that every little infraction results in severe punishment. For example, a police officer happily shot Phoebe in the stomach because her car was parked in the wrong space, while a doctor neglecting to save a pregnant Piper while she was hemorrhaging because he was too cheerful in trying to prevent the bleeding and even calling on the guards walking around the hospital [which, as you know, will willingly amputate the limbs of people simply for calling on their cell phones at a bad time] when Phoebe and Paige angrily demand they go back to the operating room to save their dying sister and baby. In addition, the sun is always out and its never night. What truly bothers me about this episode is that it equates excessive cheerfulness and willingness to murder for minor infractions with everything being too good, when it would have made much more sense with everything being TOO ORDERLY. This was supported when the trio finds out that their evil counterparts' universe was becoming too evil due to becoming extremely chaotic. So apparently it wasn't so much a moralistic battle of good vs. evil as it was a cosmic battle of order vs. chaos, which are two completely different concepts. Also, what did overwhelming goodness have to do with manipulating the sun's movements so that is stays up all day. Was the idea, Dark is Evil meant to be taken literally?!
  • Of course it is: it's even overtly stated that black (and slutty) is practically the demonic dress code. I agree about the lawful vs. chaotic dichotomy, though. I would argue that Charmed see lawful as allied with good, and the same for evil and chaotic, but given how the Charmed Ones react to authority, and how well organized the underworld is (well, before the source was destroyed, anyway) ...

Paige is the problem?
It's perfectly understandable that Cole wanted to get a do-over and fix one point in his life where everything went wrong. What I don't really get is why he thinks meeting Paige is where it all went wrong. Yes, Paige was the most gung-ho about vanquishing him that episode and also the one who first suspected him but that was because he was possessed by the Source. Why not go back to when Phoebe was manipulated into stopping the Wizard from freeing him? Why not go back to when Phoebe asked him if he was hiding anything in Three Faces of Phoebe in case she could free him? Why not go back to the time that his demon half was vanquished and avoid getting hit then so there's no void to fill? Why not even go back to stop himself getting possessed in the first place? Why not go back to that time he was tricked into killing a witch and Phoebe gave up on him to explain what really happened and also to stick around so Prue didn't get killed and he didn't have to deal with Paige in the first place if she was that much of a problem? I'd ask why he went back to evil but I think I can guess in that without the power of three Cole was desperate to keep Phoebe alive and that always mattered more to him than his alignment.
  • It was yet another contrived circumstance to keep Cole on the "evil" side. Notice that whenever he has a chance to be good, either someone gets handed the Idiot Ball and his hopes are dashed, or some strange new magical disaster turns him evil.


Why did a demon never attack the Charmed Ones in their sleep?
Virtually every demon has some sort of teleportation and projectile attack. They teleported into the manner all the time. One episode even showed them doing it at night. So why did none of them get the idea to wait till about 2 in the morning when they were asleep to sneak in and kill one of them. Kill one and you weaken the rest. Why?
  • Because they would die and the show would end?
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