History Fridge / TalesOfSymphonia

* In the test-taking scene at the Palmacosta Academy, we get everyone's scores - Lloyd gets 25, [[spoiler: Sheena 190]], Colette 210, [[spoiler: Presea 240, Regal 290, Zelos 300]], Kratos 380, and Raine gets a perfect score. Genis gets either 398 or 400. While this seems at first to be just another gag on Lloyd's stupidity, you eventually realize that all the scores make perfect sense in context:
** [[spoiler: Sheena]] grew up in an isolated village. On top of that, she tends to have self-confidence issues that might have undermined her performance on the test.

** [[spoiler: Presea and Regal]] are much older and more experienced than Lloyd and Colette. [[spoiler: Regal]] in particular [[spoiler: is a successful businessman running a large company in Tethe'alla.]]
** [[spoiler: Zelos]] grew up in [[spoiler: the large city of Meltokio, had sufficient resources and privilege to pursue whatever he wanted, and lives in a world much more advanced than Sylvarant. He is also a lot smarter than he [[ObfuscatingStupidity seems]] at first]]
** Kratos [[spoiler: is actually 4000 years old]]. The reason he didn't get a perfect score is probably [[spoiler: because history books are not always accurate]].
* Noishe, while only [=IDed=] as a "dog" or "protozoa" in game, quite clearly fits the description of a Cu Sith (pronounced "coo shee" of Scottish Mythology. [[spoiler:In case you don't get it, it's supposed to rhyme (the English version of the game screwed it up.)]].
* The end sequence music [[spoiler: is the same tune used in the end sequence of ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'']]. This also happens with one of the battle themes as well. "Fighting of the Spirit" plays in this game [[spoiler: and its sequel ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'']] whenever you fight a summon spirit.

* The placement of the skits - the ones where you can choose a response which might affect your relationship with the character - seems to be mostly random. But the two skits outside Flanoir make ''so much sense.'' The two skits are with Zelos and Kratos. Flanoir is where [[spoiler: you make the decision between keeping Zelos and or inviting Kratos back into your party.]] Kratos's skit is one where you must choose whether to talk to him or ignore him. [[spoiler: That's the exact decision you make in Flanoir to keep him or not.]] In Zelos's skit, if you pick the positive response, Lloyd observes that Zelos is brooding more than usual, and Zelos seems really surprised by the fact that Lloyd might actually care. [[spoiler: In Flanoir, Lloyd saying either "I trust you" or "I want you to live too, Zelos" - showing Zelos that he does care - is pretty much what keeps Zelos from committing SuicideByCop.]] Additionally, Zelos more or less admits during the Flanoir scene that the snow reminds him of [[spoiler: his mother's death.]] Perhaps that's ''why'' he's brooding outside Flanoir?
* Considering how familiar Zelos was with Kratos and his motivations, as well as [[spoiler: Zelos's heavy involvement with Cruxis]] it's entirely possible that the reason they have nearly identical fighting styles is because Kratos might've trained him at some point.
** [[spoiler: They're also both Tethe'allans. Since Cruxis controls everything]] it's not improbable that they haven't changed how they train [[spoiler: knights (in Kratos' case) or nobleman (Zelos in 4000 years.]]
*** Actually, the above is misleading. Zelos is but Kratos is not [[spoiler: Tethe'allan because he comes from before the world was split into 2 by Mithos.]] This doesn't make the logic completely wrong, however, knowing that [[spoiler: Tethe'alla was strongly associated with Cruxis at almost a man-to-man level.]] So the training styles can still be closely related.
* The Seal of Fire is said to be made out of polycarbonate, which can only really be made by our level of technology, as it's a type of plastic. [[spoiler: It's the first hint that the MedievalStasis game isn't just a setting trope]]. Another interesting hint comes from [[spoiler:the rather futuristic teleporters that can be seen in the Renegade bases, the seal temples, and the Desian bases (and later the Tower of Salvation and Welgaia). At first glance, it appears to be a regular dungeon gameplay trope, but on closer inspection, its probably because the three groups have the same leaders and thus the same access to magitechnology.]]
* Raine joins after the EX Skill menu option is unlocked, but doesn't actually join in the 'can participate in battle' sense until her Exsphere is equipped. Given the name and descriptions of EX Gems, it's safe to assume that they're related to Exspheres in some way, which is why Raine doesn't join (and thus can't get EX Gems) until after she has one. [[spoiler:Likewise, by the time Colette joins, her Cruxis Crystal has been mounted by Remiel - and Cruxis Crystals are an evolved form of Exsphere.]]
* At the beginning of the game, you can only buy gels that restore 30% of HP or TP. You can only start to buy the ones that restore 60% when you reach Meltokio. Why is this? [[spoiler:Because gels restore life force and magic - basically, the body's mana. It's not unreasonable to assume that gels are made of or with mana. Sylvarant doesn't have enough mana to mass-produce these products! To add to that, there is actually one place in Sylvarant where 60%-restoring gels are available - Katz Island, which is only reachable after you've released all the seals and evened out the mana distribution a little. (Nobody but the Katz dared try to waste precious mana on creating so many things, as most people cannot sense subtle shifts in the mana flow. Also, if all of this is actually true within the setting, that means that the Katz could secretly be elves or half-elves.]]
* [[spoiler: Mithos']] final form at the end of the game seems like a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere (especially since it just appears without a word from anyone,) but makes a little more sense if you remember the three boss fights preceding it [[spoiler: representing the personal demons and {{Fatal Flaw}}s of Lloyd's comrades]], of which the final form is a fusion of all three. [[spoiler: His personal demons have basically consumed him.]]
* When you first visit the Tower of Salvation, the party is horrified by all the coffins in the entry room of the Tower. Raine even theorizes that this is where all the bodies of the failed Chosens are kept. Fast forward to later in the game, [[spoiler:if you end with the path where Zelos performs a SuicideByCop, with the claim his entire life was a mistake]] - guess where it all goes down.
* Dwarven Vow #11: Lying is the first step down the path to thievery. Colette lies to Lloyd about her time of departure, she lies to the party about [[spoiler:how the seals are taking her humanity bit by bit]], she tells Lloyd she's fine [[spoiler:when the Chronic Angelus Crystallus Inofficium kicks in after her Cruxis Crystal has a Key Crest]]... no wonder the [[NotHyperbole perfect little angel]] learns Item Thief!
* Visit an inn after opening the Seal of Water, and Kratos will notice that Colette can't sleep. He advises her to count the stars. "Although, a human life is far too short to count them all". Go on and try it; it's a good way to tucker yourself out. [[spoiler:Except Kratos has seen this happen to Martel, he knows Colette is ''physically incapable'' of sleeping, he can guess that she has reasons for not bringing it up, and he's giving her both something to do in the extra time and a way to come across as inconspicuous.]]
* During their third training session, Lloyd tells Kratos, "Even when I get to your age, I don't think I'll be as calm as you." Kratos simply responds with "Ah, I wouldn't be too sure of that." [[spoiler:Because frankly, 4000+ years is a lot of time to get calm and collected.]]

* Why do human ranches have a death count limit? [[spoiler:Because Exspheres grow by feeding off of humans. If the Desians went to indiscriminately, they'd run out of humans to put Exspheres on; presumably, the Grand Cardinals only permit further executions once they've evaluated their ranch's Exsphere and prisoner counts.]]

* Why do Kratos and Zelos learn Grave (which Genis learns on his Strike path) as their mid-tier earth spell, despite learning Eruption, Air Thrust, and Thunder Blade (which Genis learns on his Technical path) for their other elements? [[spoiler:Kratos is a DeathSeeker, and Zelos commits SuicideByCop in the false ending.]]

-->Down input: low thrust with the left-hand blade [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers that does wonders for fighting]] [[GoddamnBats crotch monsters]]. [[note]]No one's down-input is programmed for more than one hit, so the swordsmen revert to the first attack of the neutral input, then follow through with the down input again - which looks really unnatural in Lloyd's case.[[/note]]

* Why are Kratos and Yuan never mentioned [[spoiler: in history texts and no ordinary person has heard of them? Because Cruxis controls the history books, and Yggdrasil probably left them out on purpose to keep them doing his dirty work without anyone wondering why their names keep popping up every generation.]] That's how Kratos can establish himself as a simple mercenary. It helps he's the serious, quiet loner type anyways.
* Lategame spoilers: [[spoiler:before the penultimate trip to the Tower of Salvation, Zelos claims that he's undergone injections with elven blood to quell everyone's worries about getting the Eternal Sword, then quickly dismisses Sheena's inquiry about it. Given that he or Kratos will grab a piece of Aionis from Derris-Kharlan to forge the Eternal Ring with, it's easy to assume that Zelos is BS-ing them so that he can get everyone to the Tower of Salvation. However, if you watch Sheena's scene at Flanoir, she mentions that any magic requires some elven blood in your lineage - given that Zelos shares Kratos' MagicKnight moveset, he's likely being honest about the injections, and not elaborating to Sheena because [[DarkAndTroubledPast it wasn't a pleasant experience]].]]
* Through the game, you might notice bits and pieces of history that seem to have been erased or otherwise tampered with. Particularly of note are the murals in Asgard - one of the [=NPCs=] even notes that it looks like someone tried to get rid of them. But what exactly where the murals depicting that someone wanted to erase? [[spoiler: Asgard is implied to have been the seat of political power in Sylvarant the way Meltokio is in Tethe'alla. It may have been the party in the Kharlan War that attempted to build the Mana cannon.]]
* Kratos, Raine, Genis, Presea, Sheena and Zelos are a bit fair complexioned compared to the rest of the cast in their skit portraits. [[spoiler: Turns out they're all Tethe'allans. Or at least, Kratos is from before Sylvarant and Tethe'alla split.]]

** Genis is contrasted by Presea. Both are the TokenMiniMoe of their respective sides of the team, but while Genis relies on [[SquishyWizard magic]] Presea deals [[MightyGlacier heavy hits]]. Genis is also a BrattyHalfPint while Presea is an EmotionlessGirl and while Genis is a ChildProdigy [[spoiler: Presea is actually [[OlderThanTheyLook twenty eight]].]]
** The only exception to this is Kratos and [[spoiler: he's actually [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld over four thousand years old]] and is ultimately a GuestStarPartyMember according to canon, only being in the party for the Regeneration Journey and one part of the game after that.]]
* As part of the party's collective ShutUpHannibal speech, Regal mentions how even if everyone is of the same race, people will just find other reasons to be prejudiced against each other. Sure enough, the sequel rolls around and [[spoiler: half-elf discrimination is virtually non-existant because now the collective people of Sylvarant and Tethe'alla have ''each other'' to hate and discriminate against. The flavor of bigotry simply changed from racism to xenophobia.]]
* When the party meets [[spoiler:Mithos in the destroyed town of Ozette]], the player may notice that this NPC kind of looks like a male version of Colette. This is because [[spoiler:the Brunel family lineage was carefully breeded by the Church in order to produce a Chosen that could become the vessel for Martel's soul. Because Colette is the perfect vessel, her physical appearance has similar genetic traits to the Yggdrasill family's]].
* Zelos's backstory and scene in Flanoir not only provides a perfect explanation for why he would [[spoiler:betray the party]], but also why he might [[spoiler:choose to side with them]].

** Lloyd jokes about leaving Zelos to his fate during their first meeting with Regal, but shows genuine concern and sympathy for Zelos's situation even before he learns of Zelos's backstory. In short, he treats Zelos like an actual friend. Hence, this is why we see Zelos deciding to [[spoiler:side with Lloyd's group]] in response to Lloyd's words ("I want you to live, too, Zelos.") during their conversation rather than as they're leaving Flanoir.
** The tipping point for Zelos is Lloyd's words as they're leaving Flanoir. He tells Lloyd during their conversation that his parents rejected him and that he's viewed as a threat to the power of the Pope and the royal family, not to mention he's estranged from his sister. In short, there are few, if any, people that actually trust him. If, instead of having that conversation with Zelos (or speaking to any of the other people who have sided with Lloyd since they first join the group), Lloyd chooses to speak to the person whose motives are suspect at best, he (perhaps unintentionally) questions Zelos if he can truly trust him. That gives Zelos the message that all they've been through on their journey means nothing and he doesn't really trust him. That Zelos isn't worthy of trust and has no real value as a person. And if Zelos's affection is in the top three, it doubtlessly hurts all the more, since the night before he came to Lloyd needing to talk, only to be brushed off. Now, if Lloyd ''doesn't'' speak to Kratos, his mind is relatively free from worries, and he unhesitatingly tells Zelos what he needs to hear, and gives Zelos the push to [[spoiler:fully side with them]].
* As noted under AcceptableBreaksFromReality on the main page, it's a little inconceivable that [[spoiler: Colette could be writing sentences on Lloyd's hand as fast as he reads it out...if you're only taking ''English'' into account. Remember that as a Japanese game, the script would be reading from, well, Japanese, where individual symbols represent entire syllables or words, making it much more believable. One could even extrapolate that the in-universe language could be similar if you wanted to.]]

* More like "Fridge Tearjerker/Depressing", but...the cutscene where Yuan loses his [[spoiler:engagement]] ring is mandatory. The sidequest where you return it is not. So presumably, if you don't do the sidequest, he still retraces his steps searching frantically for his precious keepsake, and never does manage to learn of its fate. Poor guy.
* In the manga version of Zelos' backstory, when [[spoiler:his mother is killed,]] the manga seems to draw it so it looks like [[spoiler:his mother is TakingTheBullet for him.]] If you didn't already know what she was going to say next, this makes her last words even more shocking and horrifying than they already were, since it looks like she's [[spoiler:[[TakingTheBullet taken the bullet]] for Zelos, only for her to suddenly tell him "You should never have been born"]]. THAT'S the FridgeHorror. The Brilliance is that, while Zelos' mother is saying her last words, [[GoOutWithASmile she's smiling]], although it's not a very pleasant one. It appears Zelos wasn't the only StepfordSmiler in the family...
* Zelos is not an active Chosen, so him revealing that he actually [[spoiler: has wings]] brings up two horrifying possibilities: Either [[spoiler: he was forced to go through the angel transformation process secretly sometime before the game despite it not being usual protocol for an inactive Chosen, or he was somehow going through the painful process after collecting his Cruxis Crystal from his sister]] ''without the rest of the party noticing''.
* [[spoiler:Kilia]], who is some form of shapeshifting monster that claims to be a half-elf. One, how did a half-elf get like that? Two, she [[spoiler:took the place of Dorr's daughter, telling the party that he "didn't even notice that his own daughter was dead". So did Kilia ''kill a child'' simply to use as cover for her spying, or was Dorr so caught up in trying to save his wife that he neglected his daughter badly enough for her to die of some other cause? Either way, it's a pretty grim fate for a kid.]]
* When things go wrong with Exspheres, the victim turns into a monster. However, when Dirk tells Lloyd about finding him, he says that Anna was still alive and explained everything. That means that when an Exebula dies, ''they turn back into the human they used to be''. No wonder [[spoiler:Kratos and Regal]] are so guilt-ridden.
** At first glance, it doesn't seem like this happened with [[spoiler:Marble]], but look at the scene a little closer: [[spoiler:As she's dying, she regains enough composure to talk to Genis and Lloyd. It's possible that sometimes they turn back into a human, and sometimes they only regain their mental faculties. And what, exactly, is the difference? Anna and Alicia were equipped with Cruxis Crystals (or at least, an attempt to develop them). Marble was only equipped with a base Exphrere.]]
* In the Lake Umacy scene, Raine states that she is not a 'pure maiden', with the implication that purity = virginity. We never get any details about who her ex lover might be. [[spoiler:Then again, no one ever said it had to be a lover, or that things went particularly great between them... Raine might have very good reasons for not wanting to talk about it, ranging anywhere from rape to abuse to FantasticRacism and any intersection thereof.]]

** Raine's hesitation might actually be misdirection from her ''real'' reason for not wanting to approach the unicorn. [[spoiler: She's terrified of water due to almost drowning as a child, and reaching the unicorn would require her to cross a lake]].

* More of a Fridge Tearjerker, but the fact that ''Symphonia'' and its direct sequel are distant prequels to ''Tales of Phantasia'' makes things a sad HappyEndingOverride. ''Symphonia'' and ''New World'' end with hopeful tones as the protagonists work to end discrimination between Humans, Elves, and Half-Elves and protect the Mana Tree while making a better world in general. Phantasia shows that thousands of years later things haven't really changed much at all. Humans, Elves, and Half-Elves are just as divided and discriminated against as ever, the Mana Tree is destroyed because of the actions of humans experimenting with magitechnology to build a Mana Cannon (again) though this is reversed by the Phantasia protagonists, and the measures Symphonia's villain took while extreme to avoid this very thing are ultimately proven to be, if not strictly correct, at least justifiable.

* Why do human ranches have a death count limit? [[spoiler:Because Exspheres grow by feeding off of humans. If the Desians went to KillEmAll indiscriminately, they'd run out of humans to put Exspheres on; presumably, the Grand Cardinals only permit further executions once they've evaluated their ranch's Exsphere and prisoner counts.]]

* Zelos's backstory and scene in Flanoir not only provides a perfect explanation for why he would [[spoiler:betray the party]], but also why he would also [[spoiler:choose to side with them]].

* In the manga version of Zelos' backstory, when [[spoiler:his mother is killed,]] the manga seems to draw it so it looks like [[spoiler:his mother is TakingTheBullet for him.]] If you didn't already know what she was going to say next, this makes her FamousLastWords even more shocking and horrifying than they already were, since it looks like she's [[spoiler:[[TakingTheBullet taken the bullet]] for Zelos, only for her to suddenly tell him "You should never have been born"]]. THAT'S the FridgeHorror. The Brilliance is that, while Zelos' mother is saying her last words, [[GoOutWithASmile she's smiling]], although it's not a very pleasant one. It appears Zelos wasn't the only StepfordSmiler in the family...

* The end sequence music [[spoiler: is the same tune used in the end sequence of VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia]]. This also happens with one of the battle themes as well. Fighting of the Spirit plays in this game [[spoiler: and it's sequel VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia]] whenever you fight a summon spirit.

* More of a Fridge Tearjerker, but the fact that Symphonia and it's direct sequel are distant prequels to Tales of Phantasia makes things a sad HappyEndingOverride. Symphonia and New World end with hopeful tones as the protagonists work to end discrimination between Humans, Elves, and Half-Elves and protect the Mana Tree while making a better world in general. Phantasia shows that thousands of years later things haven't really changed much at all. Humans, Elves, and Half-Elves are just as divided and discriminated against as ever, the Mana Tree is destroyed because of the actions of humans experimenting with magitechnology to build a Mana Cannon (again) though this is reversed by the Phantasia protagonists, and the measures Symphonia's villain took while extreme to avoid this very thing are ultimately proven to be, if not strictly correct, at least justifiable.

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On the [[Headscratchers/TalesOfSymphonia headscratchers page]].

* As noted under AcceptableBreaksFromReality on the main page, it's a little inconceivable that [[spoiler: Colette could be writing sentences on Lloyd's hand as fast as he reads it out...if you're only taking ''English'' into account. Remember that as a Japanese game, the script would be reading from, well, Japanese, where the written language represents entire syllables or words, making it much more believable. One could even extrapolate that the in-universe language could be similar if you wanted to.]]

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* Kratos, Raine, Genis, Presea, Sheena and Zelos are a bit fair complected compared to the rest of the cast in their skit portraits. [[spoiler: Turns out they're all Tethe'allans. Or at least, Kratos is from before Sylvarant and Tethe'alla split.]]

* Colette's favorite food is any kind of fruit, to the point that she will put fruit in her cooking any chance she possibly can get, and eating cooking with fruit will raise her affection points. If someone looks at the inventories of different shops in the game, they will see that ''no shops in Sylvarant sell fruit''. This implies that fruit are rare commodities in the declining Sylvarant, so it makes sense that Colette, who grew up in Sylvarant, would prize being able to eat fruit so readily.

* Zelos is not an active Chosen, so him revealing that he actually has wings brings up two horrifying possibilities: Either he was forced to go through the angel transformation process secretly sometime before the game despite it not being usual protocol for an inactive Chosen, or he was somehow going through the painful process after collecting his Cruxis Crystal from his sister ''without the rest of the party noticing''.

* Kratos, Raine, Genis, Presea, Sheena and Zelos are a bit fair complected compared to the rest of the cast in their skit portraits. [[spoiler: Turns out they're all Tethe'allans. Or at least, Kratos is from before Sylvarant and Tethe'alla.]]

** The tipping point for Zelos is Lloyd's words as they're leaving Flanoir. He tells Lloyd during their conversation that his parents rejected him and that he's viewed as a threat to the power of the Pope and the royal family, not to mention he's estranged from his sister. In short, there are few, if any, people that actually trust him. If, instead of having that conversation with Zelos (or speaking to any of the other people who have sided with Lloyd since they first join the group) Lloyd chooses to speak to the person whose motives are suspect at best, he (perhaps unintentionally) questions Zelos if he can truly trust him. That gives Zelos the message that all they've been through on their journey means nothing and he doesn't really trust him. That Zelos isn't worthy of trust and has no real value as a person. And if Zelos's affection is in the top three, it doubtlessly hurts all the more, since the night before he came to Lloyd needing to talk, only to be brushed off. Now, if Lloyd ''doesn't'' speak to Kratos, his mind is relatively free from worries, and he unhesitatingly tells Zelos what he needs to hear, and gives Zelos the push to [[spoiler:fully side with them]].

** The tipping point for Zelos is Lloyd's words as they're leaving Flanoir. He tells Lloyd during their conversation that his parents rejected him and that he's viewed as a threat to the power of the Pope and the royal family, not to mention he's estranged from his sister. In short, there are few, if any, people that actually trust him. If instead of having that conversation with Zelos (or speaking to any of the other people who have sided with Lloyd since they first join the group) Lloyd chooses to speak to the person whose motives are suspect at best, he (perhaps unintentionally) questions Zelos if he can truly trust him. That gives Zelos the message that all they've been through on their journey means nothing and he doesn't really trust him. That Zelos isn't worthy of trust and has no real value as a person. And if Zelos's affection is in the top three, it doubtlessly hurts all the more, since the night before he came to Lloyd needing to talk, only to be brushed off. Now, if Lloyd ''doesn't'' speak to Kratos, his mind is relatively free from worries, and he unhesitatingly tells Zelos what he needs to hear, and gives Zelos the push to [[spoiler:fully side with them]].

* Kratos, Raine, Genis, Presea, Sheena and Zelos are a bit fair complected compared to the rest of the cast in their skit portraits. [[spoiler: Turns out they're all Tethe'allans.]]

** The tipping point for Zelos is Lloyd's words as they're leaving Flanoir. He tells Lloyd during their conversation that his parents rejected him and that he's viewed as a threat to the power of the Pope and the royal family, not to mention he's estranged from his sister. In short, there are few, if any, people that actually trust him. If instead of having that conversation with Zelos (or speaking to any of the other people who have sided with Lloyd since they first join the group) Lloyd chooses to speak to the person whose motives are suspect at best, he (perhaps unintentionally) questions Zelos if he can truly trust him. That gives Zelos the message that all they've been through on their journey means nothing and he doesn't really trust him. That Zelos isn't worthy of trust and has no real value as a person. And if Zelos's affection is in the top three, it doubtlessly hurts all the more, since the night before he came to Lloyd needing to talk, only to be brushed off. Now, if Lloyd ''doesn't'' speak to Kratos, his mind is relatively free from worries, and he unhesitatingly tells Zelos what he needs to hear, and gives Zelos the push to fully side with them.

** The regular nobility in Meltokio flock to Zelos simply because he is the Chosen, and while Zelos enjoys the attention from the ladies, he's aware that they probably wouldn't even look at him if he weren't. Lloyd's group, on the other hand, treat him like a comrade: they care about him, but aren't afraid to speak up if they feel he's being inappropriate, Sheena in particular.