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** Also, the Doom Marine's Praetor Suit is pretty advanced and able to interface with UAC technology easily to the point of being able to store and potentially integrate VEGA's software, though naturally not on the same level as the Hell-powered supercomputer he was pulled from. So just what or where the [[JustForPun Hell]] did a demon make this armor from?

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** Also, the Doom Marine's Praetor Suit is pretty advanced and able to interface with UAC technology easily to the point of being able to store and potentially integrate VEGA's software, though naturally not on the same level as the Hell-powered supercomputer he was pulled from. So just what or where the [[JustForPun Hell]] Hell did a demon make this armor from?
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* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger is given exactly what he wants while Olivia gets the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger is competent and Olivia is sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then sets everything up for them on a silver platter: he makes sacrifices, corrupts the staff, brings demons into reality, brings the Soul Cube to them and even guides the invasion himself. He even manages to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC gets wind of something being wrong, it is already far too late. And the whole thing needs three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. Olivia on the other hand is so blatant in her impending treachery that Samuel notices well in advance and starts taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his prison... ''in Hell''. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down before it ever gets rolling, so by the time it comes for Olivia's payment, she achieves none of her promises and Hell is accordingly not in the mood to be so generous.

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* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger is given exactly what he wants while Olivia gets the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger is competent and Olivia is sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then sets everything up for them on a silver platter: he makes sacrifices, corrupts the staff, brings demons into reality, brings the Soul Cube to them and even guides the invasion himself. He even manages to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC gets wind of something being wrong, it is already far too late. And late for them to muster forces and stop the Hell invasion. The whole thing needs three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. stop, which is a considerable amount of effort and time to barely stop Hell's plan. Olivia on the other hand is so blatant in her impending treachery that Samuel notices well in advance and starts taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his secure prison... ''in Hell''. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down before it ever gets rolling, so rolling; she spends most of the game improvising ways to grant Hell's forces a way into reality and being countered by the Doom Slayer. By the time it comes for they decide to grant Olivia's payment, she achieves none of her promises and Hell is accordingly not in the mood to be so generous.



** Even more pointedly he did actually stop and listen once or twice on the off chance that maybe the humans have a point. After all his people originally owned the Argent energy source and they were doing just fine for a long time. But then the person trying to talk him down gives him bad reason after bad reason to keep using Argent, all of them effectively based on self interest or "the greater good" at the cost of personal loss for everyone involved.

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** Even more pointedly pointedly, he did does actually stop and listen once or twice on the off chance that maybe the humans have a point. After all his people originally owned the Argent energy source and they were doing just fine for a long time. But then the person trying to talk him down gives him bad reason after bad reason to keep using Argent, all of them effectively based on self interest or "the greater good" at the cost of personal loss for everyone involved.
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** With the reveal that the Doom Slayer is the same man as the Doomguy who willingly stayed in Hell to keep the demons from attacking Earth again in ''Eternal,'' it'd make total sense to believe the demons finally wised up and are, for the most part, trying to avoid the man known for his genocide if they don't have to fight him.


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** ''Eternal'' reveals that, not only is Argent Energy the energy of Argent D'nur refined and corrupted, it's also made of human torment. Sustainable usage of the stuff is very hard to do without breaking several moral boundaries, boundaries that the Slayer doesn't like being broken.


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** It's shifted around a bit with reveals in ''Eternal''. The original energy of Argent D'Nur that came from the Wraiths, Sentinel Energy, was ethically okay but seemingly insufficient for the growing empire. It was when the Slayer appeared and revealed the existence of Hell that the Khan Maykr decided to start creating Argent Energy. While many of the Sentinels followed their God, a number of them stuck with their King and, without the Slayer, wouldn't have made as much leeway as they did. This all applies to the Earth's current situation as well, as their native energy is inefficient, with Samuel Hayden encouraging the usage of Argent Energy to keep up with the crisis. After everything went sideways with Olivia and the Slayer, the UAC became a blatant cult while several rebels followed Dr. Hayden to form the ARC, a pitifully ineffective safeguard against the demonic invasion of Earth next to the Slayer.
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* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger was given exactly what he wanted while Olivia got the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger is competent and Olivia is sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then sets everything up for them on a silver platter: he made sacrifices, corrupted the staff, brought demons in, brought the soul cube to them and even guides the invasion himself, he even manages to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC got wind something is wrong, it is already far too late. And the whole thing needs three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. Olivia on the other hand is so blatant in her treachery that Samuel notices well in advance and starts taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his prison. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down before it gets rolling, so by the time it comes for Olivia's payment Hell is not in the mood to be generous.
* Why is Hell so sparsely populated in this game compared to previous Doom games? Simple: As this game takes place after a number of historical events that parallel the previous ''Doom'' games, the Doom Slayer has already thinned out the demon hordes rather significantly.

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* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger was is given exactly what he wanted wants while Olivia got gets the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger is competent and Olivia is sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then sets everything up for them on a silver platter: he made makes sacrifices, corrupted corrupts the staff, brought brings demons in, brought into reality, brings the soul cube Soul Cube to them and even guides the invasion himself, he himself. He even manages to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC got gets wind of something is being wrong, it is already far too late. And the whole thing needs three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. Olivia on the other hand is so blatant in her impending treachery that Samuel notices well in advance and starts taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his prison. prison... ''in Hell''. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down before it ever gets rolling, so by the time it comes for Olivia's payment payment, she achieves none of her promises and Hell is accordingly not in the mood to be so generous.
* Why is Hell so sparsely populated in this game compared to previous Doom ''Doom'' games? Simple: As this game takes place after a number of historical events that parallel the previous ''Doom'' games, the Doom Slayer has already thinned out the demon hordes rather significantly.
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** Then again, it probably is a natural response for anybody to get mad at [[CardCarryingVillain somebody who openly admits to have been using Hell]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist for the "greater good" of mankind]]. But if 2016 Doomguy IS the same Doomguy from ''Doom [=1/2/64=]'', then his outrage would be even more justified. [[OneManArmy He spent two whole games fighting the forces of Hell,]] with the second [[AfterTheEnd fighting on an Earth overrun by demonic hordes to save what was left of mankind]], ''then'' [[SealedEvilInADuel sealed himself in Hell]] to keep it at bay at the end of 64...and ''now'', he woke up to find that [[EvilInc the UAC has become a demonic cult WORSHIPING HELL just to harvest Hell's energy?!]] That'd be the equivalent to [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder B.J. Blazkowicz waking up after a coma]] [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus to find the United States of America was openly working for]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Goddamned Germany!!!]]

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** Then again, it probably is a natural response for anybody to get mad at [[CardCarryingVillain somebody who openly admits to have been using Hell]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist for the "greater good" of mankind]]. But if And since ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' confirmed that the 2016 Doomguy IS the same Doomguy from ''Doom [=1/2/64=]'', then his outrage would be even more justified. [[OneManArmy He spent two whole games fighting the forces of Hell,]] with the second [[AfterTheEnd fighting on an Earth overrun by demonic hordes to save what was left of mankind]], ''then'' [[SealedEvilInADuel sealed himself in Hell]] to keep it at bay at the end of 64...and ''now'', he woke up to find that [[EvilInc the UAC has become a demonic cult WORSHIPING HELL just to harvest Hell's energy?!]] That'd be the equivalent to [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder B.J. Blazkowicz waking up after a coma]] [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus to find the United States of America was openly working for]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Goddamned Germany!!!]]
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** Then again, it probably is a natural response for anybody to get mad at [[CardCarryingVillain somebody who openly admits to have been using Hell]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist for the "greater good" of mankind]]. But if 2016 Doomguy IS the same Doomguy from ''Doom [=1/2/64=]'', then his outrage would be even more justified. [[OneManArmy He spent two whole games fighting the forces of Hell,]] with the second [[AfterTheEnd fighting on an Earth overrun by demonic hordes to save what was left of mankind]], ''then'' [[SealedEvilInADuel sealed himself in Hell to keep it at bay at the end of 64]]...and ''now'', he woke up to find that [[EvilInc the UAC has become a demonic cult WORSHIPING HELL just to harvest Hell's energy?!]] That'd be the equivalent to [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder B.J. Blazkowicz waking up after a coma]] [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus to find the United States of America was openly working for]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Goddamned Germany!!!]]

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** Then again, it probably is a natural response for anybody to get mad at [[CardCarryingVillain somebody who openly admits to have been using Hell]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist for the "greater good" of mankind]]. But if 2016 Doomguy IS the same Doomguy from ''Doom [=1/2/64=]'', then his outrage would be even more justified. [[OneManArmy He spent two whole games fighting the forces of Hell,]] with the second [[AfterTheEnd fighting on an Earth overrun by demonic hordes to save what was left of mankind]], ''then'' [[SealedEvilInADuel sealed himself in Hell Hell]] to keep it at bay at the end of 64]]...64...and ''now'', he woke up to find that [[EvilInc the UAC has become a demonic cult WORSHIPING HELL just to harvest Hell's energy?!]] That'd be the equivalent to [[VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder B.J. Blazkowicz waking up after a coma]] [[VideoGame/WolfensteinIITheNewColossus to find the United States of America was openly working for]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi Goddamned Germany!!!]]



* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger was given exactly what he wanted while Olivia got the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger was competent and Olivia was sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then set everything up for them on a silver platter: he made sacrifices, corrupted the staff, brought demons in, brought the soul cube to them and even guided the invasion himself, he even managed to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC got wind something was wrong it was already too late. And the whole thing needed three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. Olivia on the other hand was so blatant in her work that Samuel noticed well in advance and started taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his prison. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down so by the time it comes for Olivia's payment they're not in the mood to be generous.
* Why is Hell so sparsely populated in this game compared to previous Doom games? Simple: As this game takes place after a number of historical events that parallel the previous Doom games, the Doom Slayer has already thinned out the demon hordes rather significantly.

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* One interesting thing to note is that, despite both making deals with Hell for power, Betruger was given exactly what he wanted while Olivia got the JackassGenie treatment. Why? Betruger was is competent and Olivia was is sloppy. In ''VideoGame/Doom3'', Betruger made his deal with Hell and then set sets everything up for them on a silver platter: he made sacrifices, corrupted the staff, brought demons in, brought the soul cube to them and even guided guides the invasion himself, he even managed manages to keep the situation so quiet that by the time the UAC got wind something was wrong is wrong, it was is already far too late. And the whole thing needed needs three Doomguys and two ancient Hell artifacts to stop. Olivia on the other hand was is so blatant in her work treachery that Samuel noticed notices well in advance and started starts taking precautions, specifically bringing the greatest threat Hell has ever known out of his prison. The Doom Slayer thwarts her efforts at every point and ultimately shuts the whole invasion down before it gets rolling, so by the time it comes for Olivia's payment they're Hell is not in the mood to be generous.
* Why is Hell so sparsely populated in this game compared to previous Doom games? Simple: As this game takes place after a number of historical events that parallel the previous Doom ''Doom'' games, the Doom Slayer has already thinned out the demon hordes rather significantly.



* The Doom Marine's complete lack of patience when it comes to preserving Argent Energy makes sense when you realize Argent Energy is a actually a product of ''his homeworld'' that Hell invaded and absorbed them for. Having to listen to someone try and justify deliberately opening portals to Hell and risking demonic invasion just to exploit the thing that got his home destroyed... it's no wonder he keeps smashing anything associated with it.
** Even more pointedly he did actually stop and listen once or twice on the off chance that maybe the humans had a point. After all his people originally owned the Argent energy source and they were doing just fine for a long time. But then the person trying to talk him down gave him bad reason after bad reason to keep using Argent that was effectively based on self interest or the greater good at the cost of personal loss for everyone involved.

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* The Doom Marine's complete lack of patience when it comes to preserving Argent Energy makes sense when you realize Argent Energy is a actually a product of ''his homeworld'' that Hell invaded and absorbed them for. Having to listen to someone try and justify deliberately opening portals to Hell and risking another demonic invasion just to exploit the thing that got his home destroyed... it's no wonder he keeps smashing anything associated with it.
** Even more pointedly he did actually stop and listen once or twice on the off chance that maybe the humans had have a point. After all his people originally owned the Argent energy source and they were doing just fine for a long time. But then the person trying to talk him down gave gives him bad reason after bad reason to keep using Argent that was Argent, all of them effectively based on self interest or the "the greater good good" at the cost of personal loss for everyone involved.



* Considering the [[PowerArmor Praetor Suit]] was forged in hell and everything is of Argent AKA hell energy, and the Doom Slayer may be of Hell, the chainsaw and Glory Kills causing enemies to burst into health and ammo drops not only makes sense in mechanics, but might fit the lore as well. The suit literally feeds off the demonic energy of your victims and fashions it into ammunition and repairs damage you sustain. The Doom Marine literally kills to stay alive.

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* Considering the [[PowerArmor Praetor Suit]] was forged in hell Hell and everything is of Argent AKA hell energy, and the Doom Slayer may be of Hell, the chainsaw and Glory Kills causing enemies to burst into health and ammo drops not only makes sense in mechanics, but might fit the lore as well. The suit literally feeds off the demonic energy of your victims and fashions it into ammunition and repairs damage you sustain. The Doom Marine literally kills to stay alive.

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