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* The climax of this episode now has some deeply sad potential implications courtesy of the revelations of Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChild. Here, the Eleventh Doctor believes himself to be on his final life, having regenerated 12 times, the established limit for Time Lords; however, in the latter episode, the Thirteenth Doctor discovers that she was once the eponymous Timeless Child, whose ability to regenerate indefinitely ended up being experimented on by those who would become the first Time Lords, the founders of Time Lord society on Gallifrey. In light of this, the entirety of the Time Lords “granting” the Doctor “a new regeneration cycle” is put into question: did the Eleventh Doctor still maintain the ability to regenerate indefinitely, meaning that the Time Lords’ display was meant to conceal the truth of the Doctor’s origins and existence from him? Or did they restrict/take the Doctor’s natural ability to regenerate indefinitely at the same time they hid/took the Doctor’s pre-First memories, meaning that the Dalek’s attack indeed would have been the end of the Doctor? If the Eleventh Doctor did have the ability to regenerate indefinitely, would he have regenerated from old age anyway, or was he subconsciously suppressing it based on his assumptions about his existence and the depression of his experiences of the Siege and the current situation of the Dalek’s ultimate attack in an unintentional version of how the Saxon Master and the First and Twelfth Doctors were willing to explicitly prevent their regenerations? If the Time Lords did restrict the Doctor’s indefinitely regenerative abilities pre-First, did their “gift” in this episode return the full extent of the Doctor’s regenerative capacities, or did they simply just un-restrict it enough to give the Doctor another thirteen goes? Furthermore, if the display was the Time Lords indeed returning the Doctor’s regenerative abilities to any extent, why did they do it? Was it solely to keep the Doctor alive in order to gain something from him, such as a method of returning to the universe or information about the Hybrid as revealed in Series 8? Or were they truly grateful for the Doctor having saved them during “The Day of the Doctor”, and returned his abilities out of remorse for what they had done to him and/or gratitude at him for saving them anyway?

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* The climax of this episode now has some deeply sad potential implications courtesy of the revelations of Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChild.Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren. Here, the Eleventh Doctor believes himself to be on his final life, having regenerated 12 times, the established limit for Time Lords; however, in the latter episode, the Thirteenth Doctor discovers that she was once the eponymous Timeless Child, whose ability to regenerate indefinitely ended up being experimented on by those who would become the first Time Lords, the founders of Time Lord society on Gallifrey. In light of this, the entirety of the Time Lords “granting” the Doctor “a new regeneration cycle” is put into question: did the Eleventh Doctor still maintain the ability to regenerate indefinitely, meaning that the Time Lords’ display was meant to conceal the truth of the Doctor’s origins and existence from him? Or did they restrict/take the Doctor’s natural ability to regenerate indefinitely at the same time they hid/took the Doctor’s pre-First memories, meaning that the Dalek’s attack indeed would have been the end of the Doctor? If the Eleventh Doctor did have the ability to regenerate indefinitely, would he have regenerated from old age anyway, or was he subconsciously suppressing it based on his assumptions about his existence and the depression of his experiences of the Siege and the current situation of the Dalek’s ultimate attack in an unintentional version of how the Saxon Master and the First and Twelfth Doctors were willing to explicitly prevent their regenerations? If the Time Lords did restrict the Doctor’s indefinitely regenerative abilities pre-First, did their “gift” in this episode return the full extent of the Doctor’s regenerative capacities, or did they simply just un-restrict it enough to give the Doctor another thirteen goes? Furthermore, if the display was the Time Lords indeed returning the Doctor’s regenerative abilities to any extent, why did they do it? Was it solely to keep the Doctor alive in order to gain something from him, such as a method of returning to the universe or information about the Hybrid as revealed in Series 8? Or were they truly grateful for the Doctor having saved them during “The Day of the Doctor”, and returned his abilities out of remorse for what they had done to him and/or gratitude at him for saving them anyway?
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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were, "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had (according to WordOfGod) over nine hundred years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes very close to actually dying and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from Franchise/HarryPotter, the old man who £greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.£

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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were, "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had (according to WordOfGod) over nine hundred years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes very close to actually dying and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from Franchise/HarryPotter, the old man who £greeted "greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.£"
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* The climax of this episode now has some deeply sad potential implications courtesy of the revelations of Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChild. Here, the Eleventh Doctor believes himself to be on his final life, having regenerated 12 times, the established limit for Time Lords; however, in the latter episode, the Thirteenth Doctor discovers that she was once the eponymous Timeless Child, whose ability to regenerate indefinitely ended up being experimented on by those who would become the first Time Lords, the founders of Time Lord society on Gallifrey. In light of this, the entirety of the Time Lords “granting” the Doctor “a new regeneration cycle” is put into question: did the Eleventh Doctor still maintain the ability to regenerate indefinitely, meaning that the Time Lords’ display was meant to conceal the truth of the Doctor’s origins and existence from him? Or did they restrict/take the Doctor’s natural ability to regenerate indefinitely at the same time they hid/took the Doctor’s pre-First memories, meaning that the Dalek’s attack indeed would have been the end of the Doctor? If the Eleventh Doctor did have the ability to regenerate indefinitely, would he have regenerated from old age anyway, or was he subconsciously suppressing it based on his assumptions about his existence and the depression of his experiences of the Siege and the current situation of the Dalek’s ultimate attack in an unintentional version of how the Saxon Master and the First and Twelfth Doctors were willing to explicitly prevent their regenerations? If the Time Lords did restrict the Doctor’s indefinitely regenerative abilities pre-First, did their “gift” in this episode return the full extent of the Doctor’s regenerative capacities, or did they simply just un-restrict it enough to give the Doctor another thirteen goes? Furthermore, if the display was the Time Lords indeed returning the Doctor’s regenerative abilities to any extent, why did they do it? Was it solely to keep the Doctor alive in order to gain something from him, such as a method of returning to the universe or information about the Hybrid as revealed in Series 8? Or were they truly grateful for the Doctor having saved them during “The Day of the Doctor”, and returned his abilities out of remorse for what they had done to him and/or gratitude at him for saving them anyway?

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* A lot of people have compared Tasha to River Song. Tasha is the head of the church whose splinter faction kidnapped Melody and made her into River Song in the first place.
* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' to ''actually dying'' and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from Franchise/HarryPotter, the old man who greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.
* Why was Eleven so sure he wasn't going to live even though he just met a future version of himself in the previous episode and witnessed ''thirteen'' [=TARDISes=] flying in formation during the saving of Gallifrey? Because only the ''older'' Doctors appear to remember these paradoxical meetings, while the [[LaserGuidedAmnesia younger versions forget]]; hence how he retained his memory of meeting with Ten and War, but forgot his brushes with the Curator and the Twelfth Doctor, as the latter two threw his timeline slightly out of synch.
** He said it himself in "The Day of the Doctor" to the War Doctor that the previous doctors would not remember their meetings with him. So it makes sense that he would not remember the Twelfth Doctor now.
** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him what the Planet's designation is. Who was the one who told him that Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, who expanded universe material confirm is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.
* The Silents with Kovarian seem more violent, killing an innocent woman for basically no reason. However considering Kovarian is a breakaway sect, maybe she was joined by the most violent Silents, who were at odds with the Church and wanted to act in a more villainous manner, or the Kovarian Silents were genetically engineered to be more so than their counterparts.
** Alternately, the Kovarian Silents were founded by Tasha ''after'' she became a Dalek puppet, because the Daleks hoped to eliminate him by siccing a fanatical Church splinter-group on Eleven earlier in his timeline.

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\n* A lot of people have compared Tasha Lem to River Song. Tasha is the head of the church whose splinter faction kidnapped Melody and made her into River Song in the first place.
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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were were, "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) over nine hundred years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' very close to ''actually dying'' actually dying and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from Franchise/HarryPotter, the old man who greeted £greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.
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* Why was Eleven so sure he wasn't going to live even though he just met a future version of himself in the previous episode and witnessed ''thirteen'' [=TARDISes=] flying in formation during the saving of Gallifrey? Because only the ''older'' older Doctors appear to remember these paradoxical meetings, while the [[LaserGuidedAmnesia younger versions forget]]; hence how he retained his memory of meeting with Ten and War, but forgot his brushes with the Curator and the Twelfth Doctor, as the latter two threw his timeline slightly out of synch.
** He said it himself in "The Day of the Doctor" to the War Doctor that the previous doctors would not remember their meetings with him. So it makes sense that he would not remember the Twelfth Doctor now.
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On a similar point; In this Episode, The episode, the Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him what the Planet's planet's designation is. Who was the one who told him that Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, who expanded universe material confirm is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.
* The Silents with Kovarian seem more violent, killing an innocent woman for basically no reason. However However, considering Kovarian is a breakaway sect, maybe she was joined by the most violent Silents, who were at odds with the Church and wanted to act in a more villainous manner, or the Kovarian Silents were genetically engineered to be more so than their counterparts.
** Alternately, the Kovarian Silents were founded by Tasha ''after'' after she became a Dalek puppet, because the Daleks hoped to eliminate him by siccing a fanatical Church splinter-group on Eleven earlier in his timeline.



* Much attention has been given to the fact that Creator/PeterCapaldi is a lot older than Creator/MattSmith, and that this goes against the general rule of the Doctor regenerating into bodies that are younger than/approximately the same age as his current one. But considering that the Eleventh Doctor lived long enough to almost die of old age, he actually DID regenerate into a younger body when he became Twelve.
** Besides, if the Doctor's regenerations keep getting young, [[FridgeLogic with enough of them he'll eventually become a baby]].
** A theme of "Day of the Doctor" was accepting your past and growing up. The Doctor's willing now to be a grown-up.
* When Clara goes up to the Crack to Gallifrey near the end of the episode, she implores them to save him because "he is The Doctor." When they were asking "Doctor Who?" they weren't asking for his birth name, but his ''true name''. The name he chose. His true name ''is'' The Doctor.

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* Much attention has been given to the fact that Creator/PeterCapaldi is a lot older than Creator/MattSmith, and that this goes against the general rule of the Doctor regenerating into bodies that are younger than/approximately the same age as his current one. But But, considering that the Eleventh Doctor lived long enough to almost die of old age, he actually DID ''did'' regenerate into a younger body when he became Twelve.
** Besides, if the Doctor's regenerations keep getting young, [[FridgeLogic with enough of them he'll eventually become a baby]].
** A theme of "Day of the Doctor" was accepting your past and growing up. The Doctor's now willing now to be a grown-up.
* When Clara goes up to the Crack to Gallifrey near the end of the episode, she implores them to save him because "he is The the Doctor." When they were asking "Doctor Who?" they weren't asking for his birth name, but his ''true name''. The name he chose. His true name ''is'' The the Doctor.




* The creatures that are most commonly known to Whovians as the Silence are genetically engineered. Genetically engineered from ''what?'' Given that the Church appears to be primarily human from all that we've seen (barring the mention of the Aplans in "The Time of Angels"), there's every possibility that the Silence ''were once human''. This does explain their unmistakably Earth-inspired fashion choices.

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** Barnable is nowhere to be seen after the second TimeSkip; the Doctor keeps asking for him whenever someone shows up to talk to him. Barnable is set up like a second Amelia, and the reason why the Doctor decided to stay in Trenzalore. He's the reason why the Doctor had given up by the end: Barnable died, and the Doctor couldn't handle a second instance of Amy's departure. In the end he was convinced that YouCantFightFate. Good thing Clara convinced the Time Lords to intervene.

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** Barnable is nowhere to be seen after the second TimeSkip; the Doctor keeps asking for him whenever someone shows up to talk to him. Barnable is set up like a second Amelia, and the reason why the Doctor decided to stay in Trenzalore. He's the reason why the Doctor had given up by the end: Barnable died, and the Doctor couldn't handle a second instance of Amy's departure. In the end end, he was convinced that YouCantFightFate. Good thing Clara convinced the Time Lords to intervene.



* Unless the events of the Name of the Doctor were moved to a different future, the Doctor and Clara actually did die in an alternate timeline. If the "rewritten" theory is correct, then without the existence of that timeline, Clara couldn't have saved the Doctor from the Great Intelligence, meaning that for that to happen, it still has to exist in some way. Which means that the Time Lords never intervened, the Doctor died on the clock tower, and the Daleks proceeded to massacre everyone still on Trenzalore, Clara included.
** Nah, since in the new timeline, the Doctor never died, the Intelligence would never have been able to get into his timestream. Ergo Clara never needed to save him. It's all timey-wimey.



** The Silence don't know the TARDIS could destroy the universe because Sexy either is the most safety-poor time machine in existence or because the Doctor's travels and activities [[NiceJobBreakingItHero has turned Sexy into a flying doomsday device.]] Either way, the Doctor has been unknowingly putting the whole of existence at threat since he started his journey
** The Silence know the TARDIS could destroy the universe and will use the Pandorica to reboot it, meaning they're either so cocksure and overconfident about their plan working that they're risking everything that ever was. See "The Silence are reckless idiots."
** The Silence know the TARDIS could destroy the universe and will use the Pandorica to reboot it, or it was just a happy coincidence. In essence, they consider that, yes, possible or definite destruction of all time and space [[MercyKill is better]] than the possibility of the Time Lords returning and [[FateWorseThanDeath the Time War continuing.]] '''[[NightmareFuel Think about what that means.]]'''

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** The Silence don't know the TARDIS could destroy the universe because Sexy the Doctor's TARDIS is either is the most safety-poor time machine in existence or because the Doctor's travels and activities [[NiceJobBreakingItHero has turned Sexy her into a flying doomsday device.]] Either way, the Doctor has been unknowingly putting the whole of existence at threat since he started his journey
** The Silence know the TARDIS could destroy the universe and will use the Pandorica to reboot it, meaning they're either so cocksure and overconfident about their plan working that they're risking everything that ever was. See "The Silence are reckless idiots."
** The Silence know the TARDIS could destroy the universe and will use the Pandorica to reboot it, or it was just a happy coincidence. In essence, they consider that, yes, possible or definite destruction of all time and space [[MercyKill is better]] than the possibility of the Time Lords returning and [[FateWorseThanDeath the Time War continuing.]] '''[[NightmareFuel Think about what that means.]]'''
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* Of course the Twelfth Doctor doesn't remember how to fly the TARDIS after finishing his regeneration! Even without his normal regeneration trauma, he hasn't flown her in over 900 years!
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** Nah, since in the new timeline, the Doctor never died, the Intelligence would never have been able to get into his timestream. Ergo Clara never needed to save him. It's all timey-wimey.
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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him hat the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, who told him Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and expanded universe material confirms that the Curator is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.

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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him hat what the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, Who was the one who told him that Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and who expanded universe material confirms that the Curator confirm is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.
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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him about that the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, who told him Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and expanded universe material confirms that the Curator is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.

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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him about that hat the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, who told him Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and expanded universe material confirms that the Curator is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.
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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially inists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him about that the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, who told him Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and expanded universe material confirms that the Curator is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.

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** On a similar point; In this Episode, The Doctor initially inists insists that Gallifrey is gone, when Handles tells him about that the Planet's designation is. Keep in mind, who told him Gallifrey was still out there? The Curator, and expanded universe material confirms that the Curator is indeed a future incarnation of the Doctor. So, with the idea that the younger versions forget what happened in a Multi-Doctor Story, that means the Eleventh Doctor likely forgot the Curator telling him about Gallifrey's survival, too.
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** A theme of "Day of the Doctor" was accepting your past and growing up. The Doctor's willing now to be a grown-up.



** The Silence know the TARDIS could destroy the universe and will use the Pandorica to reboot it, meaning they're either so cocksure and overconfident about their plan working that they're risking everything that every was. See "The Silence are reckless idiots."

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** Besides, if the Doctor's regenerations keep getting young, [[FridgeLogic with enough of them he'll eventually become a baby]].
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** Alternatively, the person the aged, forgetful Doctor mistakes for Barnable may be meant to be his great-grandson or something and is just meant to indicate how much time has passed, which is more a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming that the Doctor has safeguarded the lives of so many generations.

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** Alternatively, the person the aged, forgetful Doctor mistakes for Barnable may be meant to be his great-grandson or something and is just meant to indicate how much time has passed, which is more a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} that the Doctor has safeguarded the lives of so many generations.
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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' to ''actually dying'' and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from HarryPotter, the old man who greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.

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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' to ''actually dying'' and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from HarryPotter, Franchise/HarryPotter, the old man who greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.
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** He said it himself in "The Day of the Doctor" to the War Doctor that the previous doctors would not remember their meetings with him.

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* Much attention has been given to the fact that PeterCapaldi is a lot older than MattSmith, and that this goes against the general rule of the Doctor regenerating into bodies that are younger than/approximately the same age as his current one. But considering that the Eleventh Doctor lived long enough to almost die of old age, he actually DID regenerate into a younger body when he became Twelve.

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* With the resetting of his regeneration clock (and the implication that the Time Lords will do that indefinitely to ensure that someday, the Doctor releases Gallifrey), this drastically ups the chances that a future regeneration will become the Valeyard.

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* With the resetting of his regeneration clock (and the implication that the Time Lords will do that indefinitely to ensure that someday, the Doctor releases Gallifrey), this drastically ups the chances that a future regeneration will become [[FaceHeelTurn the Valeyard.Valeyard]].



* Being given a brand new regeneration cycle reopened a possible villain that originally couldn't appear beforehand because it was originally his last regeneration: [[FaceHeelTurn The Valeyard!]]
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* Every time the doctor introduce himself inside of the truth field he refer to himself as 'the doctor' and not by his true name that the time lords want to hear. by the end it seems like Clara convinces them that 'the doctor' '''is''' his full name.

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* Every time When Clara goes up to the doctor introduce himself inside Crack to Gallifrey near the end of the truth field he refer episode, she implores them to himself as 'the doctor' and not by save him because "he is The Doctor." When they were asking "Doctor Who?" they weren't asking for his birth name, but his ''true name''. The name he chose. His true name that the time lords want to hear. by the end it seems like Clara convinces them that 'the doctor' '''is''' his full name.
''is'' The Doctor.
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** Alternately, the Kovarian Silents were founded by Tasha ''after'' she became a Dalek puppet, because the Daleks hoped to eliminate him by siccing a fanatical Church splinter-group on Eleven earlier in his timeline.
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* Every time the doctor introduce himself inside of the truth field he refer to himself as 'the doctor' and not by his true name that the time lords want to hear. by the end it seems like Clara convinces them that 'the doctor' '''is''' his full name.

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** Barnable is nowhere to be seen after the second TimeSkip; the Doctor keeps asking for him whenever someone shows up to talk to him. Barnable is set up like a second Amelia, and the reason why the Doctor decided to stay in Trenzalore. He's the reason why the Doctor had given up by the end: Barnable died, and the Doctor couldn't handle a second instance of Amy's departure. In the end he was convinced that YouCantFightFate. [[ItGetsBetter Good thing Clara convinced the Time Lords to intervene]].

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** Barnable is nowhere to be seen after the second TimeSkip; the Doctor keeps asking for him whenever someone shows up to talk to him. Barnable is set up like a second Amelia, and the reason why the Doctor decided to stay in Trenzalore. He's the reason why the Doctor had given up by the end: Barnable died, and the Doctor couldn't handle a second instance of Amy's departure. In the end he was convinced that YouCantFightFate. [[ItGetsBetter Good thing Clara convinced the Time Lords to intervene]].intervene.
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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' to ''actually dying'' and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from HarryPotter, the old man who greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and equals, they departed this life.

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* There is a noted difference between Ten and Eleven's final moments. Ten dreaded the idea of "Some new man (that) goes sauntering away", because he'd consider that death. He partied hard and visited all his old companions and generally did everything he could to avoid thinking about the future and his final words were "I don't want to go!" By contrast, Eleven, once he stopped running away from the future by staying at Trenzalore, had over ''nine hundred'' (according to WordOfGod) years to think about the implications of his eventual death and his thoughts prior to regenerating were much more wistful and considered than Ten's. He spoke about how everyone changes and it's no good holding onto the past, but also the importance of remembering who you were, and his final words were "I will always remember when the Doctor was me." After saving Wilfred, the Doctor knew straight away that he was going to regenerate, but still compares it to dying. This time, he comes ''this close'' to ''actually dying'' and realises that regeneration is an infinitely better alternative. Eleven lived for centuries, even just in his last episode. Ten's lifetime lasted only a few years. Ten is the young man "too young to die" and Eleven is, to borrow a line from HarryPotter, the old man who greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and as equals, they departed this life.
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* Much attention has been given to the fact that PeterCapaldi is alot older than MattSmith, and that this goes against the general rule of the Doctor regenerating into bodies that are younger than/approximately the same age as his current one. But considering that the eleventh Doctor lived long enough to almost die of old age, he actually DID regenerate into a younger body when he became Twelve.

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* Much attention has been given to the fact that PeterCapaldi is alot a lot older than MattSmith, and that this goes against the general rule of the Doctor regenerating into bodies that are younger than/approximately the same age as his current one. But considering that the eleventh Eleventh Doctor lived long enough to almost die of old age, he actually DID regenerate into a younger body when he became Twelve.
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* The creatures that are most commonly known to Whovians as the Silence are genetically engineered. Genetically engineered from ''what?'' Given that the Church appears to be primarily human from all that we've seen (barring the mention of the Aplans in "The Time of Angels"), there's every possibility that the Silence ''were once human''.
** Somewhat mitigated by the fact that any genetic engineering performed would have been done in early embryonic stages- it's not as if the Silence were transformed as adults.
** This does explain their unmistakably Earth-inspired fashion choices.

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* The creatures that are most commonly known to Whovians as the Silence are genetically engineered. Genetically engineered from ''what?'' Given that the Church appears to be primarily human from all that we've seen (barring the mention of the Aplans in "The Time of Angels"), there's every possibility that the Silence ''were once human''.
** Somewhat mitigated by the fact that any genetic engineering performed would have been done in early embryonic stages- it's not as if the Silence were transformed as adults.
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human''. This does explain their unmistakably Earth-inspired fashion choices.

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