Created By: XFllo on September 1, 2017 Last Edited By: XFllo on 3 hours ago

Age Gap Romance

There is a significant age gap between romantic partners

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This is a romantic relationship where there is a big difference in age between two lovers.

The age difference usually causes some raised eyebrows or disapproving comments from other characters in the story, like these: "He's old enough to be your father!" — "You could be his mother, or much... much older sister."

The age gap is often presented in the work as an obstacle that the couple must overcome as they might be judged by others. Some characters can assume that the younger one is only in it for the money or nice gifts, or that the older one only wants to score a hot piece of ass and is not interested in anything else.

The age gap is often not significant because of the specific number of years, but because of how the disparity in age is relative to each other in the couple. As a general rule, when an older character is dating a character less than two-third of their age, it becomes notable; for example, 9 and 14 is notable, 19 and 24 not so much; 18 and 30 is notable, 38 and 50 again not so much. Naturally, this means that as the characters grow older, their age gap becomes less and less significant. Generally, the man is the older one and the woman is the younger one, though it can be reversed as well. When the woman is older, she may be Mrs. Robinson. As a general rule, the difference should be noted in-universe as unusual.

May–December Romance is a subtrope and the extreme version — there is over 30 years difference between the lovers, and the younger is in the spring of their life, while the older one is a senion citizen, and they could easily be mistaken for a grandparent with their grandchild.

Jail Bait can be related related if the younger one in the couple is below the legally defined age of consent.

The ways in which these relationships can occur in media can vary:

Truth in Television. In older time, before romance became a major part of marriage and courtship, it was even more common. Men would try to become economically secured before starting a family, while women would get married much younger. Ten to fifteen years' difference was considered quite normal.

Examples:

Anime and Manga
  • Junjou Romantica: It is a major point of conflict in the Junjou Terrorist sections featuring the 35-year-old Miyagi and his boss's son, the 18-year-old Shinobu. Miyagi worries about the relationship ruining his career and reputation if it gets out and Shinobu is self-conscious about his relative lack of sexual experience and the fear that Miyagi isn't taking him seriously.

Comic Books
  • Judge Dredd: In the story "Terror", a 35-year old female college professor becomes romantically involved with a 21-year old male terrorist. When she's under interrogation by the Judges, they inquire if she "likes them young", but she points out that it's not a crime.

Films - Live Action
  • Flashdance: Nick is quite older than Alex. She's only recently become a legal adult, he's old enough to be an established industrialist and already gone through a divorce. Pointed out by critics who say that the age difference is WAY too big among both the charaters and the actors to be believable.

Literature
  • Jane Austen:
    • Sense and Sensibility: Colonel Brandon, 35, falls in love with young Marianne Dashwood, 17. She thinks that he is extremely old and a bit offended that he thinks of her that way, and barely considers him a family friend. Her sister Elinor agrees that 17 and 35 is indeed a significant gap and not ideal age difference. When her mother starts supporting the relationship, she acknowledges the age difference as well, but thinks it might be a good thing that his principles are steady and fixed. After being disappointed with her First Love, Marianne eventually marries him.
    • Emma: When they decide to marry, Emma is 22 and Mr Knightley about 37 and the text suggests it's slightly unusual. Previously, when Mrs Weston thought Mr Knightley might marry Jane Fairfax who is the same age as Emma, she says there is "a little disparity of age" between them.
  • Jane Eyre: When they fall in love, Jane Eyre is 18 and Mr Rochester is over 40. Another problem is the Uptown Girl aspect of the relationship because she is a governess and he is a rich gentleman.
    "Mr. Rochester was about forty, and this governess not twenty; and you see, when gentlemen of his age fall in love with girls, they are often like as if they were bewitched."
  • Warren and Verna from the Sword of Truth books are actually both the same age, but due to Warren spending more time in a spell that slows aging, he looks much younger. Verna was at first really self-conscious about her apparent age.
    Verna: Warren, I love you. I mean I really truly love you.
    Warren: You have no idea how long I dreamed of hearing you say those words, Verna. I love you, too.
    Verna: What about my wrinkles?
    Warren: Someday, when you get wrinkles, I'll love them, too.
  • Island in the Sea of Time : Marian Alston is a captain in the Coast Guard and she is in her late thirties. Her love interest Swindapa is around 19 when they meet. They eventually get married according to their own rules since neither of their countries allows gay marriage.
  • The Immortals controversially ends with the sixteen-year-old Daine finally winning over the thirty-year-old teacher she'd been crushing on since she was thirteen.

Live Action TV
  • Friends:
    • Monica's boyfriend Richard was "a person who can drink" older than her and friends with her parents. His friends are impressed that he's dating a twinkie. Her friends freak out at first, but Rachel and Phoebe admit that he's very hot. They eventually broke up because they were at such different stages of their lives. Specifically, Monica really longed to have children and Richard was only willing to consider it because of her wish.
      Monica: I used to pee in your pool!
    • Phoebe's younger half-brother Frank marries his former teacher Alice. He is 18 and she is 44. When Phoebe found out about them dating, she tried to break it off and wanted to convince Frank he needs to have fun and enjoy his youth, but he was just too unhappy without Alice.
  • In the made-for-HBO movie The Girl in the Cafe, the girl from the title (early 20's) falls in love with a 46-year-old diplomat. They are in denial of this until they very end, even though he invites her to a conference in Iceland with him. They pull a bit of She Is Not My Girlfriend until they admit their feelings.
  • In the British House of Cards, there is a distinctly creepy relationship between Francis Urquhart (53 at the beginning of the series) and Mattie Storin (23 or 24). She actually calls him "Daddy," and although he's clearly using her for his own ends, it seems both are into this whole father/daughter dynamic for their own, twisted reasons (although we never quite fully figure out what they are).
  • Game of Thrones:
    • Ser Jorah Mormont is a middle-aged knight, sentenced to death for slavery and living in exile, who starts serving and advising teenaged Daenerys Targaryen, an exiled princess whose family was murdered during Robert Baratheon's rebellion. Jorah was working as a spy for Varys, King Robert's spymaster, but he grows to genuinely respect and admire Daenerys. He falls in love with her, but his feelings are unrequited.
    • Lord Petyr Baelish aka "Littlefinger" is creepily obsessed with Lady Sansa Stark and loves her in his twisted way. She is a daughter of his first love Catelyn Tully and he views Sansa as a suitable replacement.
      Shae: Men only want one thing from a pretty girl.
      Sansa: Littlefinger's not in love with me.
      Shae: Love is not the thing he wants.
      Sansa: He's too old.
      Shae: They never see it that way.
    • Tyrion Lannister (about 40) and Sansa Stark (14) are forced to get married. Tyrion is unsettled that she is so young, and she is unhappy that she has to marry a dwarf from a family that killed her father and holds her hostage. He promises her not to force her to consummate the marriage unless she wants to. They later start to bond, but the relationship suffers another blow when his father orchestrates murder of her eldest brother and mother.
      Tyrion: She's a child.
      Bronn: She's a foot taller than you.
      Tyrion: A tall child.
  • In The Last Kingdom, middle-aged father Beocca tries to help a young traumatized girl Thyra who was imprisoned as a sex slave to Sven, and he falls in love with her. She seems to have found her safe place with him. Uhtred advises his friend Beocca to ask her to marry him. Beocca says that he knows he could be her much, much older brother, and he is a Saxon while she is a Dane. They get married and seem very happy together.
  • Community:
    • There are some feelings and series-long Ship Tease between Annie (in her late teens at the beginning of the series) and Jeff (a thirty-something guy). They occassionaly act on their feelings and kiss or act like they are a couple on a date, but they always realize that them dating would be too weird and rather creepy, and the full relationship does not happen.
    • Evil Annie & Evil Jeff are together in the Darkest Timeline. When Evil Annie asks if he has a problem with the age difference, Evil Jeff says he wishes she was younger.
  • How I Met Your Mother:
    • In a flashback, viewers learn that Barney's first serious girlfriend Shannon broke up with him to be with an older suit. She was around twenty and Greg the suit was about forty.
      Barney: We're breaking up? But what about the Peace Corps?
      Shannon: Yeah, all this granola business, it was just a phase. Greg's older. He's successful. He buys me all this cool stuff. (smiles and laughs)
      Barney: But I love you.
      Shannon: He has a boat.
    • In one Thanksgiving episode, Robin (in her twenties) dated Bob (about forty). However, as Ted is telling the story, he pictures him much older and he's portrayed by Orson Bean who was 79.
    • Ted dates Carly, and while they don't fit this trope (he's in his early 30s, she's 21), she seems to only be dating him because she thinks he's really old (remarking that he "still goes at it like he's in his 50s"). She describes being turned on by watching 60 Minutes with him and playing shuffleboard.
  • Downton Abbey:
    • Lady Edith Crawley (in her 20s) and Sir Anthony Strallan (in his 50s, and widowed). Within her family, this was actually considered a fairly decent match for Edith before the War, in large part because her family thought Edith, being "less pretty" than her sisters and a bit tomboyish and abrasive, couldn't do any better than a middle-aged widower. After the War, though, Sir Anthony came back with a crippled arm, and the family decided—and Sir Anthony recognised—that the match was no longer any good, as Edith would have to be a nursemaid to him rather than a wife. Edith refused to believe this until Sir Anthony jilted her at the altar.
    • Anna Smith, a head maid, falls in love with and later marries John Bates, the valet to the Earl. He is about two decades older than her. He is troubled by his past, but they are both very happy together.
  • Grey's Anatomy:
    • Intern Meredith Grey begins dating attending Dr Shepherd, and eventually marries him. Their age gap is no more than 10 years, but it still causes amusement with Shepherd's friends, who call her "the 12 year old".
    • One of Dr Shepherd's friends, Dr Sloan, starts dating Lexie Grey, Meredith's little sister. There's a twelve year age gap between them, but they joke that they have to call her "the fetus".
  • Mad Men:
    • Office manager Joan Holloway and one of the partners Roger Sterling have a long love affair. She's in her early thirties, he is in his mid-to-late forties. Most people in the office don't know about it. Bert Cooper advises Joan she could "do a lot better" — She thinks he means a professor she had a date with and Joan explains "he's just a friend", Cooper explains that's not what I'm talking about, my dear. Don't waste your youth on age."
    • Betty's second husband Henry Francis is about two decades older than her. His mother doesn't approve of the relationship, thinking he need not marry her.
      Pauline Francis: Well, I know what you see in her. And you could have gotten it without marrying.
    • Roger started an affair with Jane Siegel, a college graduate and new secretary, and later they got married. One day she told him that their souls are the same age. At a country club party hosted by Roger to help Jane socialize with his colleagues and friends, Jane becomes wildly drunk and expresses her frustration at not being accepted. Roger's mother confused Jane with his daughter from his first marriage Margaret. Margaret was very upset by Jane's attempts to befriend her and she did not want Jane to attend her wedding

Music
  • The Spanish songwriter Jose Jose has a song called "Cuarenta y Veinte" ("Forty and twenty"). The song is about the protagonist who is in his 40s and has fallen in love with a young twenty-something girl, and it deals with the obstacles the couple has to face, including other people's disapproving comments.
    Cuarenta y veinte, cuarenta y veinte. Es el amor lo que importa y no lo que diga la gente.
    Forty and twenty, forty and twenty. It's the love that matters and not what people say.
  • The '90s Chilean group Sexual Democracia has a song called "Profanador de Cunas" (in English "Cradle Desecration"). The song tells a story of a guy (and a friend of the narrator) that likes to date young girls in high school, but this guy is implied to be over thirty. The chorus has various local expressions about these relationships, including the Title Drop "profanador de cunas".

Myths & Religion
  • At times Christian art has traditionally depicted Mary as a young woman of about 16 and Joseph as an old man at the time of the Nativity. If one applies historical context to the story, Mary was probably between 14 and 18, with Joseph in at least his mid-twenties. The depictions of Joseph as an old man aren't without basis, though. The fact that Joseph doesn't appear again after finding Jesus in the Temple suggests that he died somewhere between then and the Wedding at Cana. Furthermore, many early Christian sources suggest that Joseph was a widower, explaining the references to siblings of Jesus as the children of Joseph and his first wife (most likely in support of Mary being a perpetual virgin after giving birth to Jesus, according to Catholic doctrine).

Theatre
  • In the William Shakespeare play Othello, the title character (age unspecified, but getting up there) marries the young beautiful Desdemona. Their age difference is one of the many reasons Othello suspects her of cheating on him: The man he thinks she's sleeping with is closer to her own age. She's actually perfectly loving and innocent, but the play is a tragedy and they all end up dead.

Webcomic
  • Beloved: Ding Yi is sixteen years old while her lover is thirty-four. Wei Wei thought she was older because they were both at a bar when they met.
  • Friendly Hostility: Derringer is 25 and has a crush on his boss, Leslie Rudd, who is in his late 40s. Kitty, who is 23, also has a crush on Leslie (who is apparently very attractive to younger people). Leslie eventually does go out with Derringer. ... And also possibly with Kitty as well, making this Age Gap Romance also a case of polyamory.

Western Animation
  • The Simpsons: "Rome-Old and Julie-Eh" revolves around the romance and marriage of Abe Simpson and Selma Bouvier, their ages separated by nearly two decades (she was in her forties, he was in his eighties). Their marriage didn't work out, due to Abe's senility leading to the ruination of their kitchen and Selma finding her new job as a department manager too stressful.
  • BoJack Horseman:
    • Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter have an age gap minimum of 15, she is at 34 in the beginning of the series and he is in his early 50's. As everything else, this does ends up with them facing troubles in their marriage as she is facing her last chances to try new things in her life while he is already used to a certain lifestyle and has a hard time adapting to her younger way of thinking.
    • Penny and BoJack at the end of season 2, in which she falls for him and they briefly almost sleep together. Remember she is at the age of 17 and he is in his early 50's. Although nothing ends up happening, it's deconstructed as the event severely made them guilt ridden of their actions that night.
    • BoJack and Sarah Lynn briefly sleep together on season 1, the age difference is around 20 and he knew her when she was a child actor before she hit puberty and start a short relationship during "Prickly Muffin".

Community Feedback Replies: 57
  • September 1, 2017
    XFllo
  • September 1, 2017
    Omeganian
    Warren and Verna from the Sword Of Truth books are actually both the same age, but due to Warren spending more time in a spell that slows aging, they appear to be that trope (him being the younger one).
  • September 4, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ I think we're gonna need other characters reaction to them. As such, it looks like it is not an example of this trope.
  • September 1, 2017
    Omeganian
    ^ I don't remember other characters having a problem, but Verna was at first really self-conscious about her apparent age.

    Verna: Warren, I love you. I mean I really truly love you.
    Warren: You have no idea how long I dreamed of hearing you say those words, Verna. I love you, too.
    Verna: What about my wrinkles?
    Warren: Someday, when you get wrinkles, I'll love them, too.
  • September 1, 2017
    Statzkeen
    Not worth adding. This is just turning a gray area on the edge of a trope into a new one.
  • September 2, 2017
    Morgenthaler
    ^ I disagree. The issue with May December Romance was that people were adding example that went against its defined criteria. This May-September pattern was the major trend in the past due to economic reasons, so it's bound to show up in fiction.

    One example I remembered:

    • Flashdance: Nick is quite older than Alex. She's only recently become a legal adult, he's old enough to be an established industrialist and already gone through a divorce. Lampshaded by the critics who say that the age difference is WAY too big among both the charaters and the actors to be believable.

  • September 2, 2017
    tyrekecorrea
    I really don't think we need this. It's usually just treated as a downplayed example of a May-December romance.
  • September 4, 2017
    XFllo
    Downplayed examples of May December Romance can't have the older one in the couple at fairly young age. I think currently the page says the December has to be at least sixty, or 55 when it is very downplayed. We might need this trope to have this covered.

    People think this is tropeable, apparently, because I can't count how many times I removed examples like these in the draft from the page.

    If this draft gets voted down, so be it, but it does happen in real life, it does appear in fiction, and it is far from having no story telling purpose.
  • September 4, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ sorry about the typos and missing words in above, seems like posts here can't be edited.
  • September 4, 2017
    Gosicrystal
    ^ You can edit your own comments in TLP. Click the pencil next to the date.
  • September 4, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Thank you. I can't believe I didn't see it.
  • September 4, 2017
    tyrekecorrea
    🙄
  • September 5, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    May December Romance gets misused a lot. I've noticed the main page itself has been cleaned up, but elsewhere people still use it for any age gap. The trope is specifically about 40+ year age gaps, which are quite rare in fiction. Most uses I've seen opt for any significant age gap, be it twenty, fifteen, or even five years if the characters are young enough.
  • September 5, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Yes, my point exactly — May December Romance is misused all over the place, and it seems most people who add examples on work pages or character pages haven't even read the description. It says specifically what the age difference should be and that the character must be in the winter of life, and that the couple could be mistaken for a grandfather with his granddaughter / a grandmother with her grandson.

    I think this "light" version ("he could be your father!" / "please, you look like you are his mother") is much more common and really tropeworthy.

    Most uses I've seen opt for any significant age gap, be it twenty, fifteen, or even five years if the characters are young enough.

    I would be careful with the five-year old age gap. I agree that if the younger character is a teenager, five years really seem a significant issue, but a 15-year old dating 20-year old would not be this trope.
  • September 8, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    i think we need a trope for "any significant age gap". after all, padma (14) and anakin (9) have been noted for having an age gap when they first met, but a 60 and 75 year olf would have no significant age gap despite being 15 year apart. i do think "important age gap" is a trope, espesially "age gap noted in universe"
  • September 10, 2017
    Snicka
    ^ Yeah, the age gap is often not significant because of the specific years, but because of the difference in percentages. As a general rule, when an older character is dating a character less than two-third of their age, it becomes notable; for example, a 9 and 14 is notable, 19 and 24 not so much; 18 and 30 is notable, 38 and 50 not so much. This of course means that as the characters grow older, their age gap becomes less and less significant.
  • September 10, 2017
    lakingsif
    I think it's tropeworthy, but maybe ditch the snowclone. Not just for being a snowclone but also to separate it from May December Romance, it might be easier if we treat them separately. The MDR has specific connotations and whatnot, whilst a smaller but still notable age gap is more likely to cause short term drama than have all that significance.
  • September 11, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Thanks for the opinion. What trope name would you suggest? Significant Age Gap Between Lovers as a suggestion is already in the description. :-)

    ^^ Interesting and very true, I think that should be incorporated in the trope description.

    Also, I do not insist that this should be named May September Romance. It was just the original idea in the short-term project thread and I think the phrase is quite commonly used in English.
  • September 11, 2017
    XFllo
    Somebody just discarded this draft — way too soon. We are still discussing it. Restored.

    I am a sponsor of this trope, and I promise you I'll have no problems discarding this myself if the discussion is going nowhere. Please voice your opinions before doing something this drastic. Plus the number of hats and bombs is more or less balanced at this moment.
  • September 11, 2017
    Basara-kun
    Music:
    • The Spanish songwriter Jose Jose has a song called Cuarenta y Veinte ("40 and 20"), which is about the protagonist of the song, who has in his 40s in love with a young girl in his 20s, and the obstacles the couple has to cross with the people they meet (family included), as said in the chorus:
      Cuarenta y veinte, cuarenta y veinte. Es el amor lo que importa y no lo que diga la gente.note 
    • The Nineties Chilean group Sexual Democracia has a song called ''Profanador de Cunas"note  which is the story of a guy (and friend of the narrator) that likes to date young girls in high school, with the problem is this guy is over the 30s as is implied in the song. The chorus of the song is about various local euphenisms about this, included the "profanador de cunas" itself, which is the Title Drop.

    Note apart, "40 & 20" song became a Memetic Mutation in Spanish-spoken countries that refers to this kind of relationships, so another possible name could be Fourty And Twenty Romance, IMO.
  • September 11, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Thanks for the examples, added with some adjustments :-)

    I quite like the idea of Forty And Twenty Romance for the trope name, actually. Added at the top of the page.
  • September 12, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    I would change the laconic from "husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend" to "romantic partners" or something else, to include gay couples

    also speaking of gay examples:
    • Island In The Sea Of Time :
      • Marian Alston is a captain in the Coast Guard- she is in her late thirties and her love interest Swindapa is around 19 when they meet. They eventually get married according to their own rules, since neither of their countries allows gay marriage.
      • Also has Professor Ian Arnstein and grad student Doreen Rosenthal.
    • Friendly Hostility: Derringer is 25 and has a crush on his boss, Leslie Rudd, who is in his late 40s. Kitty, who is 23, also has a crush on Leslie, (who is apparently very attractive to younger people). Leslie eventually does go out with Derringer... and also possibly with Kitty as well
  • September 11, 2017
    Koveras
    Why not just call it Age Gap Romance? Short and to the point.
  • September 11, 2017
    XFllo
    Re: Age Gap Romance — I'll add it to the draft. Not bad at all.

    at Pistols At Dawn — you are right, I changed that laconic; also, could you please elaborate on those examples a bit?
  • September 12, 2017
    Snicka
    I vote for Age Gap Romance as a name. It doesn't feel as much of a Snow Clone of May December Romance as May September Romance does.
  • September 12, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    ^^ ok, i expanded the examples, does that work?
  • September 12, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ better:)

    This one is however classic Zero Context Example:

    • Also has Professor Ian Arnstein and grad student Doreen Rosenthal
  • September 12, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    ^ I dont really think so? i mean it could be expanded a bit but it gives the relevant context (he is older than her, he is her profesor, she is a grad student) ZCE would be somethin glike

  • September 12, 2017
    XFllo
    I disagree. I know, if we consider the trope name and the context of other examples, we can infer they are together in some kind of relationship and that there is an age difference. But more context is really needed. Imagine every example had just a work title, character names and their jobs/positions in a company.

    What can be added to that example — Do they date openly, or must they keep it secret? Does the faculty allow students and teachers dating? Do they sleep together? Is it a serious relationship? Does anyone have a problem with the relationship? How old is actually the professor — professors can be fairly young, and on the other hand — some students are older when they decide to pursue their studies later in their life.
  • September 12, 2017
    IniuriaTalis
    I think this is a worthwhile trope. May December Romance is too specific to cover every instance of age being a major relationship obstacle.

    • All three of the main couples of Junjou Romantica have a significant age gap, but it is only used as a major point of conflict in the Junjou Terrorist sections featuring the 35-year-old Miyagi and his boss's son, the 18-year-old Shinobu. Miyagi worries about the relationship ruining his career and reputation if it gets out and Shinobu is self-conscious about his relative lack of sexual experience and the fear that Miyagi isn't taking him seriously.
  • September 13, 2017
    lakingsif
    Discussed on Greys Anatomy — intern Meredith Grey begins dating attending Dr Shepherd, and eventually marries him, though their age gap is no more than 10 years. This still is cause for amusement with Shepherd's friends, who call her "the 12 year old". Then one of his friends, Dr Sloan, starts dating Lexie Grey, Meredith's little sister. There's a twelve year age gap, but they joke that they have to call her "the fetus".
  • September 14, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ that's not what a Discussed Trope is, and also Example Indentation needs to be fixed — I'll add it with some adjustment
  • September 14, 2017
    Koveras
    What do you call it when an Extreme Doormat dates a Tsundere Fiery Redhead? A rage gap romance...
  • September 14, 2017
    Snicka
    Jail Bait is also related, where the younger half of the relationship is below the legally defined age of consent.
  • September 14, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Thanks, added to to description.
    Personally, I think this looks launchable. I like the current name (Age Gap Romance), the other ideas could be used as re-directs (May December Romance has a redirect Big Age Gap Between Lovers). We have lots of examples and the decriptions is also shaped up, though I would appreciate some help with proof-reading and organizing the paragraphs.

    What do you think?
  • September 14, 2017
    Morgenthaler
    • Judge Dredd: In the story "Terror", a 35-year old female college professor becomes romantically involved with a 21-year old male terrorist. When she's under interrogation by the Judges, they inquire if she "likes them young", but she points out that it's not a crime.

  • September 14, 2017
    Pichu-kun
    • Beloved: Ding Yi is sixteen years old while her lover is thirty-four. Wei Wei thought she was older because they were both at a bar when they met.
  • September 15, 2017
    Snicka
    Should Real Life examples be allowed? There are dozens of celebrity couples who could qualify.
  • September 15, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ Please no. May December Romance is [no real life] as well. It was full of gossip.
  • September 15, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    Why did u remove the spoilers on the Friendly Hostility entry? It's a twist at the end of the series. At least spoil out the part about Kitty please
  • September 15, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ The spoilers are for fans, but the wiki should be written for general readers. I think those entries with spoiler tagging are heavily frowned upon.
  • September 15, 2017
    PistolsAtDawn
    Spoiler tagging a twist ending of a story is exactly what spoiler tags are for. The context can be understood by the beginning of the trope (derringer crushes on leslie) and the twist is covered by the spoiler tags ( leslie, derringe and kitty become a poly relationshil)
  • September 15, 2017
    Snicka
    ^^^^ In that case, the last paragraph, which says it's Truth In Television, should also mention No Real Life Examples Please
  • September 15, 2017
    DustSnitch
    This is a pretty great write-up, the only problem I have is what significance is there to the May-December trope now that this broader, more significant trope exists.
  • September 15, 2017
    XFllo
    ^ I think it works as a Sub Trope.
  • September 15, 2017
    Snicka
    ^ Does it? It's just The Same But More as this.
  • September 15, 2017
    AmourMitts
    Aren't Jay and Gloria from Modern Family an example of this?
  • September 15, 2017
    IniuriaTalis
    ^^I'd say the difference is that our current definition of May December Romance requires that one party be elderly, which makes a different dynamic than just having an age difference.

    • The Immortals controversially ends with the sixteen-year-old Daine finally winning over the thirty-year-old teacher she'd been crushing on since she was thirteen.
  • September 16, 2017
    XFllo
    ^^ I don't know, are they? You tell us. :-) (I know nothing of that show.)
  • September 16, 2017
    Snicka
    ^ A quick search on Modern Family showed that Jay is in his 60s and Gloria is in her 30s, so yes, they qualify.
  • September 16, 2017
    lakingsif
    I wouldn't even say it's a subtrope. It should be treated as a different entity, because the age gap wherever brings up different issues.
  • September 17, 2017
    Snicka
    ^ It definitely is a subtrope because it is a romance with an age gap. The reason you said, regarding the "different issues" is what makes it a proper subtrope instead of just The Same But More.
  • September 17, 2017
    XFllo
    About the Moder Family example — 30 and 60 is large enough gap to be an example of May December Romance.
  • September 17, 2017
    DustSnitch
    But what is signifcant about May December Romance that isn't covered here?
  • 4 hours ago
    MiinU
    How is this distinct from May December Romance, or the far more extreme Mayfly December Romance? Both tropes already deal cover the significant age differences between the related couple.

    Also, regarding the discussion concerning the misuse of May-December Romance: The whole ''one has to be old enough to be (or look like) the other's grandparent" part seems oddly specific.

    I'd consider being old enough to be the younger one's parent sufficient enough, especially if the older one looks older than they actually are.
    • For example, someone in their mid-late 30's might look as if they're in their late 40's or early 50's. If that person were to date a teenager (say 18-19), wouldn't you consider that a May-December Romance given the difference in their physical appearances alone?
  • 4 hours ago
    PistolsAtDawn
    ^ no, its not- thats exactly why this trope is being created. because May December Romance is a very specific trope (an old person dates a young person, not older, actually old). It was being used to cover cases of "any significant age gap" because there was a missing supertrope for those cases.

    If you thnk May December Romance should be expanded to cover all significant age gaps, you could try making a TRS page- but theres already been one http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13732817490A28525700
  • 3 hours ago
    MiinU
    @PistolsAtDawn: I'm not suggesting we expand it, I'm saying it just seems odd that one has to be a senior citizen for it to count. Where I'm from, we call that a "sugar daddy" or a "cradle robber".

    But since this is a super trope for the other two, then okay. I was just asking.
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