Created By: aschwartz07901 on October 11, 2011 Last Edited By: aschwartz07901 on October 11, 2011

Obliviously Moral Race

When a race of people are advanced enough to have a complex society, yet their politics have little to no intrigue

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This is a very unusual trope about a race of people, usually some advanced form of tribal primitives, have no concept of deceit or intrigue. This race are NOT weak. They will fight, and they will kill, and they can be Badass, but within the context of their society, they are completely honest and uncomplicated in their politics

For example: in a regular society when 2 people compete for a position of power, they can engage in backstabing, bribing, fraud, all sorts of things. In a Naive moral race guy society, they would probably argue and try to reach a compromise in full view of the public, and if that fails, then it will be solved by a Duel to the Death.

They also usually subscribe to gender freedom. When introduced to "Polite society" they usually think that they are the Only Sane Man

For more context, the poster boy for this trope are the Marat, from Codex Alera They had no concept of lies for most of their history, until learned the concept from Alerans. Even then they refer to lies as "intentional Mistakes" They do not even know of the word Lie as such, because they to them it means to lie down, since they think the concept of Homophones are rediculous.

This trope is very close to Noble Savage. The only difference is thatt while a noble savage upholds a higher moral standard than most of the other characters, someone with this trope doesn't uphold a higher moral standard,He literally CANNOT and does not understand or comprehend a Lower Moral code than the one they have. Like I said above. it's not that he's honest, it's that he literally cannot understand the concept of Lying. to him it doesn't even exist

This trope often overlaps with Proud Warrior Race Guy, and could be considered the opposite of Deadly Decadent Court

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Community Feedback Replies: 11
  • October 11, 2011
    nman
    Books:
    • The High Crusade has the Wersgorix, an advanced alien race, dealing with Crusaders from the 14th century. Sir Roger remarks that in games of politics, they are less skilled than even an Italian.
    • In World War, the Race is an alien force that has had an Emperor ruling over it, with literally no political intrigue, for over 50,000 Earth-years. Needless to say, when they come to Earth expecting knights in armor and find themselves halfway through World War 2, they tend to get taken to the cleaners during negotiations, to the point where they will trade hundreds of human POW's and tons of advanced technology for a single male of the Race.
  • October 11, 2011
    KingZeal
    May be a Mary Sue Topia.
  • October 11, 2011
    randomsurfer
    • In the Earths Children series, members of the Clan don't lie. Because their language relies strongly on nonverbal communication it's easy to see when someone is lying. Ayla is shocked when she first hears/sees Jondolar lie, and is always a little startled after that.

    May not be what you're looking for, but:
    • In The Invention Of Lying nobody ever lied in the history of the world until Mark does it. (A Deleted Scene shows the first lie in caveman times, but then rewinds to show what would happen if nobody ever lied.)
  • October 11, 2011
    Ghilz
    Not sure your title matches your definition. What makes them naive? Also why "guy"? That implies there's just one of them
  • October 11, 2011
    Bisected8
    I agree. The "[description] Guy" tropes imply a single character with that trait (Proud Warrior Race Guy being about Worf and Proud Warrior Race being about Klingons), hence why all the other species related tropes have dropped the "Guy". The naive part makes sense; they haven't been exposed to the idea of lying, thus they're easily fooled by human standards.
  • October 11, 2011
    Fanra
    Is this what you mean by the trope?:

    Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men, we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents.
    Without a prison, there can be no delinquents.
    We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.
    When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift.
    We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property.
    We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.
    We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians, therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another.
    We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society.
    -- John (Fire) Lame Deer, Sioux Lakota - 1903-1976
  • October 11, 2011
    Fanra
    In Ursula K Le Guin's The Word for World is Forest, colonists from Earth take over a planet that the locals call Athshe. The alien natives have no murders or violence in their society.
  • October 11, 2011
    Fanra
    James White's Sector General novels have the Kelgian species. Since the involuntary movements of Kelgians' fur completely show their emotions, the species is incapable of both lying and tact.
  • October 11, 2011
    Fanra
    Sometime around the 1960s, Hollywood discovered that American Indians were not savages. Two of the best known movies with this trope are Little Big Man and Dances With Wolves.
  • October 11, 2011
    fulltimeD
    Really needs a better title. Also, this seems to be two tropes:

    One is the Noble Savage, which I'm sure we already have. Also covered somewhat by Closer To Earth.

    The other, which is not covered by the Noble Savage, seems to be about fictional civilizations with unrealistically (at least, according to us contemporary Earthbound humans) uncomplicated politics, social mores, etc... This is what the description of the YKTTW appears to be about. Some of these may be covered by Mary Sue Topia. But most of them probably aren't. I can think of a couple of races from Star Trek that fit this description, but primarily I'm thinking of the Zaldans, who don't lie, and consider even basic politeness and courtesy as dishonest. Similarly, the Betazoids are a brutally honest culture because of their telepathy, and seem to have very little regard for personal privacy.
  • October 11, 2011
    aschwartz07901
    fulltimeD this trope isnt Necceraly a Mary Sue Topia because societies Like this DO have problems and war, just no deciet. and can have customs percieved as barbaric by other societies

    Fanra has the right idea. That passage could be the page caption for this trope. It's perfect.

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