Created By: Caveat on November 11, 2011 Last Edited By: Caveat on November 17, 2011
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SausageEggMacGuffinWithCheese

Being the center of a story, Mac Guffins tend to stack up a large number of tropes & sub-troupes.

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This one Needs More Examples and Needs a Better Title. I'm still involved but this is also Up for Grabs if you want to put the work in.

I realized this might be a good addition while doing some editing about The Maltese Falcon, which has about five of the MacGuffin sub-tropes all stacked on at the same time. I started thinking & realized that, since they're in the middle of things & the writer/author has to keep the plot interesting a writer will sometimes start stacking tropes up. This may qualify as a "metatrope" or some such, being a trope dependent upon other tropes. Some other examples are the Philosopher's Stone in Fullmetal Alchemist (which can be classified as about a half-dozen different subtropes of MacGuffin), "what's in the case" in the thriller Ronin (starring Robert De Niro), or the titular object in the children's novel Interstellar Pig (where the MacGuffin turns out to be a sentient being that literally intentionally changes trope every time someone gets the thing).
Community Feedback Replies: 19
  • November 12, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Come again? Really, really horrible title. If this is about a new Mac Guffin coming along after the current one is acquired/resolved, I might suggest Chain Of Mac Guffins, but then it's starting to border on collectible Plot Coupon territory.
  • November 12, 2011
    Irrisia
    I think it's more "this Mac Guffin covers about 5 different subtropes, because it is just that MacGuffiny.". An uber-Mac Guffin, if you will.

  • November 12, 2011
    Stratadrake
    I don't see what makes that substantially distinct from a normal Mac Guffin.
  • November 12, 2011
    Caveat
    The idea was supposed to be that the Mac Guffin is so convoluted that there is no single subtrope, there are maybe half a dozen, & that is just too confusing... yet this happens, even in good writing.
  • November 14, 2011
    Beakmanthegreat
    I agree with this trope. The Mac Guffin is probably going to have at least one or two Mac Guffin Tropes, making it a Mac Guffin with Cheese. But going overboard, loading it up like a double-bacon-cheeseburger with the works, ketchup, mustard, lettuce, an onion ring, a fried egg, a hash brown, a third bun, and the fries IN the sandwich... Yeah, the Mac Guffin becomes almost TOO fantastic for fantasy. It kinda breaks the willing suspension of disbelief as much as a character going godmode does in a work.
  • November 14, 2011
    Stratadrake
    But the name seems to have come down with a side order of Metaphorgotten.
  • November 14, 2011
    Bisected8
    Yeah, I think Mac Guffin With Cheese works.

    • The Elder Scrolls count, since they have different purposes in the plot of different games (in some, their prophecies are just what motivates your employer in others you need them to actually do something).
  • November 14, 2011
    X2X
    I think it's a good idea. But yeah, maybe the title should be shortened a bit. Mac Guffin With Cheese could do the trick, as suggested above.
  • November 14, 2011
    Caveat
    The convoluted name was kind of the point. Maybe Sausage Egg Mac Guffin would keep more of that feeling?
  • November 14, 2011
    X2X
    Sure. I mean, I got understood the original title, but I'm not sure how much that applies to everyone else.
  • November 14, 2011
    IMpish
    Mac Guffin With Cheese sounds more like a single subtrope, like it literally has to do with cheese, or some other food. Sausage Egg Mac Guffin is a little better, but still evokes the same imagery. The full title of SEMGWC evokes the right feel, but is too wordy...

    I would actually say make the title longer, and abbreviate it. For example: Double Bacon Sausage Egg Mac Guffin With Cheese, or DBSEMGWC. All of course, just to indicate that this particular Mac Guffin is really Trope Overdosed.
  • November 14, 2011
    PapercutChainsaw
    So, this is basically a Troperiffic MacGuffin?
  • November 14, 2011
    randomsurfer
    In the Round Robin comic DC Challenge one of the cliffhangers from the first issue is a set of numbers. The numbers aren't properly resolved until the penultimate issue, but in the meantime they're used a few other times for other things. Albert Einstein uses them. Someone on Rann discovers that carving them into a rock somehow prevents Rannquakes. Etc.
  • November 14, 2011
    iavatus
    The Works Mac Guffin, if we're going to stick with the hamburger image, and a pun.
  • November 15, 2011
    JonnyB
    I'm for Sausage Egg Mac Guffin (in keeping with the rhyme with McMuffin), but leave the cheese part off or it will be confused with hammy tropes.
  • November 15, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Just drop the Egg Mac Guffin base. Completely. Any attempt at snowcloning Egg Mac Guffin will have people thinking it's a subtrope of Egg Mac Guffin, not a subtrope of Mac Guffin itself. E.g. "Egg Mac Guffin With Cheese" sounds like "Egg Mac Guffin + Large Ham", because that's what the terms you're building it with imply.

    (BTW, all this talk is making me hungry.)
  • November 17, 2011
    Caveat
    "Sausage Egg Mac Guffin And Cheese" would abbreviate out to SAMGAC, which is pronounce-able... Bassing that, other possible names?
  • November 17, 2011
    surgoshan
    While we're hashing out the title, anyone wanna lay some examples on us?
  • November 17, 2011
    darkapothem2000
    Lost introduced and utilized 4 8 15 16 23 42 in several different ways.
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