Created By: Cider on August 25, 2013 Last Edited By: Cider on October 23, 2013
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The Pretty Guy Is Stronger

When pretty boys are shown to be stronger than their peers.

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Bishonen Line is about transforming, according to the main page's description. So I changed/removed the examples that did not seem to fit and put them here. If there is already a page or You Know That Thing Where for this proposed trope, point me to it and I will discard this one.

An improbable situation where despite a group being filled with various chiseled athletes, sturdy looking beasts, weapon outfitted death machines, and heavily outfitted personnel, the prettiest, least physically imposing members, turn out to be the strongest, most capable and toughest of the bunch.

This is not merely cases where their build proves most effective for the job or where their lighter wear proves more practical but when more delicate looking human builds are themselves indicators of might.

Compare Bishonen Line, where humanoids gradually grow or transforms into more monstrous appearances then sharply drops back into a more human form as they get stronger, Muscles Are Meaningless, Helmets Are Hardly Heroic, Armor Is Useless, the coincidental game play trope Strong Flesh, Weak Steel, Agent Peacock and Boobs of Steel. Contrast Prejudiced For Pecs, where people with the most impressive looking build are portrayed as being superior, even if this should not be the case. If the pretty boy leads but is not that strong see The Man Behind The Monsters.


Examples

Anime and manga
  • In One Piece, a worldview of the Kuja tribe of Amazon Lily is that "strength is beauty". The women there run gamut from pretty normal looking, to amorous Gonks, to incredibly beautiful - The leader of which, Boa Hancock, is not only World's Most Beautiful Woman (aside from mermaid princess Shirahoshi) but also among the strongest woman in the world, despite being normally built and smaller than her two weaker sisters.
  • In Seimaden, the ruler of the demon world is Laures, an impossibly beautiful man. Demons lower in rank than himself are attractive but more bestial. Mid-rank demons are horrible monsters. But Laures' assistant and servant Tetiyus, a low-rank demon, is almost as beautiful as his master.
  • YuYu Hakusho. Based on the Random Power Ranking of demons, we start from very animalistic and brutish E and D Class demons to the semi-humanoid C Class with all shorts of technicolor hair then taking a huge jump in Bishōnen with the B Classes who's only differences from humanity is their height or a hair of a different color, leading to a downgrade where the A Classes look like grotesque alien freaks, and finally ending with S Classes which could be best described as humans with the occasional horn, extra ears or different hair/skin tone.
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion
    • After sixteen monstrosities that get weirder with each new one, Tabris the 17th Angel is revealed to be a White-Haired Pretty Boy who also goes by the name of Kaworu Nagisa.
    • Of course the 18th Angel is humanity as a whole. You don't get any more humanoid than that.
  • Justified in Inuyasha, where the most powerful demons do tend to be the most monstrous. What makes the human ones most dangerous is that these just tend to be temporary forms taken on by monstrous demons.
  • Chrono Crusade works similarly to InuYasha — Weaker demons tend to look like Eldritch Abominations, while the strongest ones tend to look like Bishōnen with wings, horns, and other cosmetic extras.
  • Followed by Zatch Bell!. Weakest mamodo opponents encountered at the beginning mostly look like humans with cosmetic differences, then much less human-like mamodo, up to and including gigantic dragons, make their entry, yet the first two Big Bads, Zophise and Zeon, look like humans with cosmetic differences, and the final one, Clear Note, is virtually indistinguishable from a human, save from his monstrous Battle Aura. Then subverted, when he is revealed to have an One-Winged Angel uber-form after all.
  • In Guyver, the Zoanoids are very monstrous looking, the Hyperzoanoids run the gamut from fairly monstrous to fairly humanoid, but the Zoalords — the masters of Chronos and the main enemies of the second half of the series, are all humanoid-sized with human faces.
  • In Fruits Basket, the Hot-Blooded martial-artist Kyo regulaly challenges Bishonen "Prince Yuki" to fights (though it only happens twice in the manga, other characters claim it's a regular occurrence.) Yuki always hands Kyo his rear-end. This is subject to some Fridge Logic, as the rest of the time Yuki is portrayed as rather weak and subject to various health problems — how he can win martial arts battles but have trouble finishing the walk to his school unassisted is never explained.
  • Kenshin Himura from Rurouni Kenshin, the most feminine looking male in the series in addition to being the most powerful. Soujiro from the Kyoto arc too as he was one of Shishio's most deadly men.
  • In Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, the rival group of vampire hunters includes multiple huge, muscular, heavily armed hunters, (who mostly get their asses handed to them) and a sickly bishie named Grove who is bedridden. When Grove takes the right drugs, he creates an astral projection of pure energy that can blast entire armies into ashes without really trying.
  • Bleach: An enormous monster or ugly person is going to get beaten down very quickly. However, if a male character is pretty, then not only will he be important to the plot and not get killed off, but he is most likely very powerful. To list some: Ichigo Kurosaki The Hero, Byakuya is also one of the prettiest and one of the most devastatingly powerful characters in the series; Child Prodigy Toshiro; Jushiro is a veteran of the 13 and has several in-series fangirls. It should also be noted that not all of the strong male characters are pretty.
  • The Tall, Dark and Handsome Tsunashi Takuto of Star Driver is one of his school's top Heartthrobs. and he's also the most powerful Star Driver among the ones in (a rather literal) The Masquerade of the Glittering Crux by simply holding back on every battle so each time, he catches the Villain of the Week off guard and defeats them. he's no slouch in battle outside his mech though.
    • one time he defeats one of the GC because she was too busy ogling him with her mech's X-ray vision feature.
  • In Berserk, the undisputed strongest member of the Band of the Hawk through most of the Golden Age arc is its commander, the slender bishonen Griffith, and the petite woman Casca can outfight any man in the army except Griffith and Guts. Averted when Guts finally beats Griffith in a duel most of the way through the arc, but then played straight again post-Eclipse after Griffith gets a massive supernatural power-up.

Film
  • Terminator: The terminator 800 and 850 are based on large muscular human males. The successor to the 800 series models (the T-1000 or T-X depending on which timeline you are in) are based on much slimmer and prettier humans yet are stronger and more resilient than the 800s.
  • Ditto the Hardwired...I, Robot movie, where the new shiny robots with human like faces are able to outperform the old tin can variants.

Literature
  • In Lois McMaster Bujold's The Sharing Knife series, the monsters of the series are known as "malices," creatures of sentient destructive energy which drain the life force of all surrounding creatures in order to build horrific, misshapen forms, and which grow geometrically stronger the more they feed. Over the series we see several different monstrous forms of malices, such as a werewolf malice that fed on wolves and a flying malice that fed on bats. The most advanced and most dangerous of the malices they fight is one that has consumed so many human lives that it has developed a stunningly beautiful, superhuman form.

Tabletop games
  • Dungeons & Dragons
    • This game has Asmodeus, king of the Nine Hells and most powerful Archdevil of all. He's most commonly encountered looking like "an unprepossessing humanoid with red eyes, horns, and well-tailored robes." Recent sourcebooks have increased his height to thirteen feet, though. (But it is mentioned in a few books that his true form is some kind of monstrous, serpent-like beast.) This example is pretty clearly based on certain depictions of Satan. Lucifer was traditionally both the most powerful and the most beautiful of angels, at least prior to his Fall. (And, in some versions, he retains both qualities even afterward.)
    • Daelkyr of Eberron, the ultimate rulers of the plane of madness, lords and creators of monstrosities such as beholders and mind flayers, resemble "perfectly formed athletic human males, possessing unearthly beauty."
  • Larger Tyranid creatures of Warhammer 40K become bipedal, if remaining ugly. The Magus of a Genestealer Cult does appear almost entirely humanoid but is one of the most dangerous and inhuman members of the cult.
    • From the same game and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, men devoted to the hedonistic god/dess Slaanesh tend to take a much more feminine appearance, especially compared to the muscular brutes devoted to the War God Khorne. Thinking them weaker is often the last mistake you'll make, as their god-given enhancements are along the lines of enhanced senses and reflexes.

Video games
  • Final Fantasy X-2's Trema, the resident Bonus Boss of Via Infinitio, a dungeon full of increasingly ugly monsters, a perfectly normal-looking Unsent.
  • In the episodic computer game Time Runners, the main character (a teenager from Earth) travels through time and dimensions to fight monstruous "Chronodemons": a robot, a cyborg, a sentient spider, a necromancer, a mutated human and a zombie pharaoh. For the final duel, is pitted against the creator of the Chronodemons: an exact lookalike of him.
  • Street Fighter II: the Sonic Boom user was Guile who has a very angular face, chiseled jaw, and huge flattop. He needed both hands to use the move. Then Street Fighter Alpha came and Guile was replaced with Charlie who wears glasses, has a more handsome face and can do the move one handed. Then Street Fighter III gave us the bishonen Remy, who can do the move one handed high and low.
  • Fallout 3. Super Mutant Behemoths are 20-foot tall Dumb Muscle brutes with Scary Impractical Armor who only wield fire hydrant hammers as weapons. Broken Steel adds Overlords, which are closer in size and intelligence to the standard Mutants, but with HP near that of a Behemoth and much deadlier weapons such the Tri-Beam Rifle and Gatling Laser.

Community Feedback Replies: 87
  • August 25, 2013
    DAN004
    Indentation plz.
  • August 25, 2013
    Cider
    I do not know what you mean? Did that make it better?
  • August 25, 2013
    xanderiskander
    You need to organize your examples under their genre.

    like this:

    Anime and Manga

    Video Games

    They also need to be listed alphabetically in each genre section. You need to make sure to italicize the page links. And to put them in their namespaces. Learn about namespacing here

  • August 26, 2013
    DAN004
    While I'd say this is definitely tropable, I'd like to know why people like making the pretty boys more powerful.

    E.g the "logic" behind Bishonen Line is that since the monster's body becomes humanoid, it implies better control of their powers, or that making the monster's body humanoid will make the battle more challenging for the hero (since Monstrosity Equals Weakness).
  • August 26, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^I think it might partly be a side effect of Beauty Equals Goodness overlapping with The Good Guys Always Win? But there seem to be villainous examples too, so that's probably not all there is to it.
  • August 26, 2013
    DAN004
    Does the Arrancars of Bleach count?
  • August 26, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Semi-OT @xander: Could you point to a policy stating that examples are supposed to be alphabetized within their categories? Note that on How To Alphabetize Things it says explicitly that works and indexes should have their tropes alphabetized; but nowhere that I've seen does it say that tropes should have their examples alphabetized. If anything, I've often seen it stated "new tropes at the bottom." EDIT sorry, I mistyped; I meant "new examples [of tropes] at the bottom."

    And you shouldn't Wiki Word the genre headers, whether doing Allcaps or Folder Control.
  • August 26, 2013
    Cider
    How Not To Write An Example suggest that new entries should be relegated to the bottom of their category. Beyond that though, categories feel superfluous to me since everything is in a namespace now and folders do not work on you know that thing where. If it really bugs you though, I can add them.

    As for the Bleach Arrancars? Elaborate on them, I do not read that comic, I know nothing about them.
  • August 26, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ In a YKTTW I made someone alphabetized all the examples for me, and I've figured it was the standard ever since. I'd argue that's supposed to be how it's done since work and trope pages basically just have the same format except with works in the list instead of tropes. And since several Administrivia pages suggest they stick mostly everything to the same rules for the sake of consistency.

    Also Wiki Words in Small Caps headers are stated to be okay. They're not okay for folders, but that's because folders no longer produce Wiki Words.

    ^Putting examples in media categories is the proper form. They're there to make the article easy to read (because it avoids the page becoming a giant wall of text), and examples convenient for people to find. Read Pages Needing Example Sorting
  • August 27, 2013
    Arivne
    ^ ^^ ^^^ On this Wiki there are people who like to alphabetize examples within media sections, and I've seen a few tropes that specifically say to add new examples in alphabetical order.

    However, as far as I know it is not a Wiki-wide requirement for regular trope pages.
  • August 27, 2013
    ALittleBitOfTheEarth
    Can we rename this as "Beauty Equals Power" ?
  • August 27, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Well, per How To Write An Example:
    • If the page is organized alphabetically, which is the preferred method, (eg Canonical List) put it in the correct alphabetical position
    • If the page is organized by medium, put a new example in as the last example in that medium.
    • If the page states that it's sorted some other way, follow that sorting pattern.

    This is the first/closest I've seen to "always sort trope examples alphabetically."
  • August 27, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ Beauty Equals Power sounds good to me.

    ^ I conceded earlier that I didn't know if it was wiki policy. I said I saw someone else do it and thought it was the standard. It also looks really nice, and is consistent with the way other types of pages look.

    Either way it's definitely wiki policy that examples need to be put in media categories. According to Pages Needing Example Sorting tropes grow and when there's lots of examples not having media categories makes the page look like "an enormous thread mush" i.e a wall of text, and with media categories it's more organized and it's easier to sort.

    Since there's already quite a lot of examples and it's looking a lot like a wall of text, we should follow that guideline.
  • August 28, 2013
    Arivne
    Namespaced and italicized work names and grouped examples by media.
  • August 28, 2013
    DAN004
    Beauty Equals Power sounds more like a philosophy of some society to me, but if we wanna cover that then the title's good.
  • August 28, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^ That doesn't seem to be a problem for tropes with similar titles like Power Makes Your Hair Grow. It will be fine.
  • August 30, 2013
    DracMonster
    • In Fruits Basket, the Hot Blooded martial-artist Kyo regulaly challenges Bishonen "Prince Yuki" to fights (though it only happens twice in the manga, other characters claim it's a regular occurrence.) Yuki always hands Kyo his rear-end. This is subject to some Fridge Logic, as the rest of the time Yuki is portrayed as rather weak and subject to various health problems -- how he can win martial arts battles but have trouble finishing the walk to his school unassisted is never explained.
  • August 30, 2013
    Larkmarn
    I think Beauty Equals Power makes sense.
  • September 4, 2013
    Cider
    If the name must change, how about perplexingly powerful pretty boys? Perplexingly powerful pretty people? Lots of things can be considered beautiful but not be pretty boys.
  • September 6, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Awful Attempt At Alliteration :P

    If "Lots of things can be considered beautiful but not be pretty boys" then Beauty Equals Power is good.
  • September 7, 2013
    Cider
    Your reasoning behind this is?
  • September 7, 2013
    joshbl56
    You could always use Nonthreatening Badass? As for this trope:

    Games
    • In Final Fantasy XIII Hope could be seen as one of these. He's the youngest of the group, uses an adorable boomerang and has the strongest magical output in the game.
      • Vanille can also bee seen as this as she looks and acts like a peepy girl but can dish out high amounts of magical damage as well as being the only character to use Death, a magic attack that has a chance to instantly kill an enemy not immune to it.
    • For Final Fantasy XIII-2 we have Serah. Like Hope and Vanille, she has high magic damage output and carries around a bowsword, which is a sword that can split apart to become a bow.

    For a quote, you can use the In-battle line from Vanille:
    Vanille: I'm not all smiles and sunshine!
  • September 8, 2013
    Cider
    Badass, no I would rather not continue that snow clone. I will consider a title other than pretty boy power, if it really bugs you all so much.
  • September 8, 2013
    xanderiskander
    @Cider: "Reasoning"? I would assume it's the same reasoning you used when you conceded that there are other types of characters besides pretty boys that fall under this trope. So what's the problem with using Beauty Equals Power as a title then? It sounds better than the current one, and the other titles you suggested and it makes it clear that it's not just pretty boys that get a strength boosts for being beautiful.
  • September 8, 2013
    Cider
    Because a gun, plane, battery or building could be considered beautiful as well and for the purposes of this trope I would rather not include them.
  • September 8, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^ You're being waaaay too literal. Nobody is going to misuse a title like Beauty Equals Power for putting up examples for random shiny objects and machines.

    Besides there are a bunch of different pages for cool planes, and guns already anyway.
  • September 8, 2013
    joshbl56
    @Cider, the name Pretty Boys Are Stronger sounds like you're cutting out all genders except male. I will admit that the one I said was a snow clone but I think it is better than the current title.
  • September 8, 2013
    DragonQuestZ
    The description should pothole something other than Scary Impractical Armor. That is about the look of the armor more than the weight.
  • September 8, 2013
    dvorak
    Compare and contrast Agent Peacock.
  • September 9, 2013
    Chabal2
    Also from Warhammer 40 K and Warhammer Fantasy: men devoted to the hedonistic god/dess Slaanesh tend to take a much more feminine appearance, especially compared to the muscular brutes devoted to the War God Khorne. Thinking them weaker is often the last mistake you'll make, as their god-given enhancements are along the lines of enhanced senses and reflexes.
  • September 10, 2013
    Larkmarn
    New title sounds more like the trope is "Prettiness Equals Authority," like an extreme version of Screw The Rules Im Beautiful.

    Beauty Equals Power is still better.
  • September 10, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    how about Pretty People Power? sounds something straight of a political campaign like the current too.
  • September 10, 2013
    Cider
    "You're being waaaay too literal. Nobody is going to misuse a title like Beauty Equals Power for putting up examples for random shiny objects and machines."

    I think everyone hung up on the gender issue of the name is being waaaay too literal so there. Man Child and Bishonen Line both use male terms in their titles but have female examples and I don't like Beauty equals power. I am tempted just to change it back to pretty boy power as I really do not see anything wrong with it.
  • September 10, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Is there anyone other than you that has an issue with Beauty Equals Power? Certainly seems like no one but you ever liked the name Pretty Boy Power.

    The problem with saying "Pretty Boy" is that is really oddly specific. One would think that if you're going through the trouble of naming the trope "pretty boy," it's, well, about pretty boys. Especially since we do have pretty boy tropes that are not gender neutral.
  • September 10, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Actually, I don't like Beauty Equals Power either. It just sounds like someone uses good looks to advance his/her career etc.
  • September 10, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ What you describe is Beauty Equals Authority i.e Screw The Rules Im Beautiful. (Which is related too.)
  • September 11, 2013
    Arivne
    Namespaced and italicized work titles, capitalized the trope's title.
  • September 11, 2013
    Cider
  • September 11, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^^ I know what I'm describing. I'm just saying that the English word "power" has more than just one meaning, and if the title isn't unambiguous enough, people can easily misinterpret it.
  • September 11, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ I know that already. :P
  • September 12, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    Just saying here that the Final Fantasy XIII examples don't count. Hope and Vanille are good magic-users, but their HP and ATK are terrible, and nowhere it is ever stated that they are the strongest of the group. And everyone in the party are pretty boys or girls anyway, so it doesn't matter. Same with Serah in FFXIII-2.
  • September 13, 2013
    Synchronicity
    Why restrict it to pretty guys, though? Beautiful girls being more powerful than their peers is Seen It A Million Times.

    Pretty Powerhouse? Beautiful And Brawny?
  • September 13, 2013
    DAN004
    "Beautiful girls being more powerful than their peers is" - Boobs Of Steel (though, well, it's a comparison of bust size)
  • September 13, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ not quite. it's about busty girls (regardless of prettiness) being more powerful, rather than pretty girls.

    EDIT: rather than repeatedly editing the title when we clearly have no consensus on what it should be called i suggest we just vote for the best name and stick with that. btw, i'm the one who reverted it to its original name, tired of looking for this thing every now and then because it keeps changing names.
  • September 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^ Doesn't quite cover that entirely. At best it's a subtrope, because it's only about one part of the body, not the beauty of the person themself.
  • September 13, 2013
    luisedgarf
    The main protagonist from Star Driver, Takuto Tsunashi, who is even named as the Galactic Pretty Boy.
  • September 13, 2013
    Cider
    Notice the gender neutral terms in the description like human, humanoid and people? The pretty guy is stronger just gets the point across. Boobs of steel is something else.

    She-Hulk being the strongest woman on the avengers and having the largest boobs would be boobs of steel but it would not be this trope as her buff, shot put build is not tiny an unimposing. You'd still call it beautiful in a powerful way but not this way.

    But we put She-Hulk, Thundra, Man-Killer and Binary on a team together and it is not boobs of steel, as the strongest one would not have the largest bust but it would be this trope, as the smallest member with least imposing pretty build would be the strongest one. (She is still not exactly skinny or petite, just moreso than her larger, weaker counterparts)

    From culture as I understand it, pretty/bonito/belle is generally not apllied to a man unless without some derisive undertones to it. The equivalents to women tend to be more obvious (petite, skeleton, ect) but do not really summarize the trope as well. "Pretty" for the female gender tends to mean "not repulsive to look at" rather than "unimposing and soft" so I chose pretty boy/guy for the title and laconic but went more in depth in the description.
  • September 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    As for the name since there doesn't seem to be any agreement on that we should just make a crowner with the names suggested so far and settle it with a vote.
  • September 13, 2013
    Cider
    I've stopped editing the title, I really don't get why its such a hangup but my bigger concern right now are the fact it has fifteen listed works but still "needs examples" and apparently is not trope worthy.

    That is fine if you feel that way but can we discuss why? Those are clearly content issues but am mostly reading stuff about the title. No one else finds that a little disconnecting?
  • September 13, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    Man is a very insecure gender. that is all I can say.

    well put on your she hulk snd co example though.
  • September 13, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^^Only moderators can take off tags after they've been put up. That'd be why the needs examples and tropeworthy tags are still there. They're probably there because in the beginning this didn't have many examples, and people were unsure about it. So you don't need to worry about that.
  • September 13, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    whoah, found this.

    the salvage thing is pretty useful.
  • September 13, 2013
    Cider
    It would have been nice if I could have found that sooner. Regardless, since this one has gathered examples I like it more, and personal bias may factor into that but Bishonen Power seems to be treating this as an Anime trope but this one has examples from three media besides Japanese cartoons and comics. That one actually is male specific in its description as well as in title too (Call appeal to broadness a logic 101 failure if you like but that is what I am doing because I believe it)

    That is something I would not mind having a vote on though (Bishonen is a male gender term either way, personally I say it has been used on enough tropes as is). Yeah I said I would discard this if the premise was already used but it seems we came here by different methods. Coreyturner was looking at the prominence of pretty boys in Anime and Manga while I was just trying to hold off the trope decay of Bishonen Line.
  • September 13, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    ^Since that one is pretty dead, you can just pick examples you like from there and add it to this trope. It's basically the same thing anyway, just this one being broader.
  • September 14, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^i brought it up due to it being similar, not because i think you should discard this. anyway, i strongly disagree of even having "bishonen" as a redirect for this one. as it is anime fanspeak that has an obvious english equivalent.
  • September 14, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ I disagree. Since we already have a trope with a similar name that's very closely related (Bishonen Line), the redirect is completely justified. If the actual title is something anyone can understand, I don't see what would be the problem with having a more specific redirect. Redirects tend to be like that anyway (like Force Choke as a redirect for Psychic Strangle and so on).
  • September 14, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Technically, I make that Force Choke redirect. :P
  • September 14, 2013
    xanderiskander
    ^ Well we also technically agreed to make Force Choke it's redirect while it was in YKTTW. So you were just doing what people wanted.
  • September 14, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^^ if you take a look around that trope. most examples are from japanese media. and rightfully so, as it actually seems to be relatively rare in western media.
  • September 15, 2013
    Cider
    Well, I added some examples from the other You Know That Thing Where that I thought were relevant.
  • September 17, 2013
    DAN004
    Dunno if this counts but -
    • In One Piece, a worldview of the Kuja tribe of Amazon Lily is that "strength is beauty". The women there run gamut from pretty normal looking, to amorous Gonks, to incredibly beautiful - The leader of which, Boa Hancock, is not only Worlds Most Beautiful Woman (aside from mermaid princess Shirahoshi) but also among the strongest woman in the world.
  • September 17, 2013
    Cider
    Is there anything other than her physical attractiveness to indicate her strength? Is Boa larger or more cut than the rest of the Kuja tribe or does she just have a better looking face? She probably counts if that is the case and if she is smaller or less imposing than the rest she definitely counts.
  • September 17, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ Yes, she's smaller than her sisters Marigold and Sandersonia. And she has a normal (sexy) body. :P
  • September 17, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Italicized a couple examples.
  • September 17, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    Film

    • In the 2000 remake of Shaft, when the wealthy and well-groomed fugitive for murder Walter Wade (played by Christian Bale) resurfaces in the U.S. and is put in New York city lockup, the cops sort of taunt him about how well a pretty boy like him will do amongst the various thugs there. When one of the thugs demands he give him his fancy dress shoes, Wade puts the guy on the floor quite handily with a few moves.
  • September 19, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    to expand on the star driver example above:

  • September 27, 2013
    Cider
    So, I noticed both times I got a hat but it was removed? Is that individual part of the discussion? You are welcome to join. Edit:Well, thanks for giving it a hat back, whoever did so.
  • September 29, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    i wouldn't worry about taken hats unless you are confident that your YKTTW is launch ready. there are quite a few well written(IMO) YKTTWs around with no hats given.
  • September 29, 2013
    Cider
    I suppose you are correct, but I am still a little bugged about the tags. The only one we have been having any discussion on is better name and that tag has only been given once. (I do not like Pretty Powerhouse because it sounds too much like cute bruiser by the way).

    Needs examples is on there twice but I think there are plenty of examples as is. Is there something else to it, different kinds of examples or something? Already have is tagged twice too but no one has actually presented any existing tropes that specifically cover this. We have had a similar You Know That Thing Where proposal brought up but the person who did that did not want to discard this one based on that.

    I guess it seems like there is some issues users have that are not being explained in any of the responses.
  • September 29, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    I... have nothing I can say to that. try asking around the forums. i'm getting confused as well.
  • September 29, 2013
    Stratadrake
    What about Pretty Boy Power?
  • September 29, 2013
    Cider
    That was the first name I had in mind. I renamed this proposed trope page because of all the complaints that name attracted.
  • October 1, 2013
    Stratadrake
    I don't see much in the way of objections or complaints to it in these comments....
  • October 1, 2013
    Cider
    ...11 posts in I got complaints about Pretty Boy Power. So I proposed some alternatives, then changed it to pretty boys are stronger but that still was not liked so I gave it the current title and started asking about the other tabs.
  • October 1, 2013
    Bibliophile
    Elves might fit this trope, typically being shown as more beautiful and slender-built than humans but also faster and stronger.
  • October 2, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ I might agree, but it's only notable for this trope if it's acknowledged in the work.
  • October 6, 2013
    AgProv
    Real Life
    • Glam rock star Adam Ant, a man whose style and stage persona revolved around wearing a lot of makeup, frequently attracted unwelcome attention from men who thought their masculinity was being threatened by a guy in makeup. Would-be macho avengers soon discovered, as a long-time girlfriend drily pointed out, that Adam was no pushover and was in fact a viciously effective street fighter.
      • Drag artist "Lily Savage" (Paul O'Grady) also came as an unwelcome surprise to would-be gay bashers. A product of the Birkenhead streets and a man who, in fact, had seriously considered enlisting in the Royal Marines, O'Grady could more than hold his own in a fight, and at one point was arrested for assault for repeatedly bashing a gay-basher's face into the bonnet of a car, having put two or three others to flight. Paul is gay and deceptively delicate-looking, but certainly not a shrinking violet in a fight
  • October 7, 2013
    hbi2k
    • In Berserk, the undisputed strongest member of the Band of the Hawk through most of the Golden Age arc is its commander, the slender bishonen Griffith, and the petite woman Casca can outfight any man in the army except Griffith and Guts. Averted when Guts finally beats Griffith in a duel most of the way through the arc, but then played straight again post-Eclipse after Griffith gets a massive supernatural power-up.

    As far as the name goes, I like "Bishonen Power," "Pretty Boy Power" or "Pretty People Power" fine. If "Bishonen Power" is used, you could fairly call Bishonen Line a subtrope, and include a line stating that it's mostly an anime/manga trope but that Western examples sometimes pop up too. If "Pretty Boy Power" is used, include a line in the description noting that it's usually a male trope due to its roots in anime but that female examples can count too.

    In any case, I think a line near the end along the lines of "Compare Screw The Rules Im Beautiful, where a pretty character receives extra authority or respect as opposed to physical advantages" would be in order.
  • October 7, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Italicized an example. Linked the Terminator example to its own page.
  • October 14, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    • Youzen from Houshin Engi is not only a bishonen, but is also known as a genius in the Sennin World. Explained that he is actually a youkai, and his human form is just a transformation technique.
  • October 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Perfect, I now had a new pet peeve trope, because this is a trope I see prety often. How about "Powerful and pretty"? or, "Handsome means stronger"?

  • October 22, 2013
    hbi2k
    This trope is looking pretty ready for primetime to me. Can we get a fifth hat so it can get published a'ready?
  • October 22, 2013
    Cider
    I do like Handsome Means Stronger. (I had stopped changing the name because it was not getting anymore hats and I felt it would just make it more difficult to find but since we are nearing the end I will consider changing it again. (Pretty boy power will probably be the first redirect).
  • October 22, 2013
    Tomodachi
    Superboy in Young Justice counts? He is a pretty boy, and arguably the most powerful member of the team thanks to his kriptonian DNA.

    Right?
  • October 23, 2013
    DAN004
    If it's Handsome Means Stronger then does it allow female examples? (the One Piece one for example)
  • October 23, 2013
    hbi2k
    The problem with Handsome Means Stronger is that it doesn't imply "delicate" builds specifically, so I could see a lot of misuse if people don't read the description carefully. I think something with "pretty" in it (since "pretty" carries a connotation of "not buff or stereotypically manly") or something like "Bishonen Power" or "Bishonen Strength" works better.
  • October 23, 2013
    Cider
    Yes, females can still be examples count, and your point is taken. I will just launch it under pretty something.
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