Created By: norsicnumber2nd on September 1, 2012 Last Edited By: norsicnumber2nd on October 20, 2012

Wise Elder

Everything has one, that kinda-old guy that knows a lot and saves the day.

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a.k.a "Batman's batman"

The stay-at-home and-a-fair-bit-older guy, that's in everything. Sometimes it's the curator who babbles dead languages. Mostly it's the 'For our audience' guy that both handily tells everyone the important points and also manages to become epic and save the day, despite being middle-aged.

Examples are Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer; Coulson and sometimes Fury (and, more recently, Bruce Banner) from [insert Marvel film name here] and Tony Stark's Jarvis from Iron Man and The Avengers; Alfred from Batman, Gaius from Merlin and Grandma Norma in Dr Seuss' the Lorax as well as Grandpa in The Lost Boys.
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  • September 1, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    Thinking of re-naming it "Batman's batman".
  • September 1, 2012
    Rognik
    First, bad trope name. Try to avoid using character names for tropes, especially when they were far from the first one to do so.

    Second, this is either The Mentor or The Smart Guy, perhaps both intertwined.
  • September 1, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    Yeh, I was trying to find a trope for this but couldn't, and I know it's a terrible name.
  • September 1, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Jarvis the butler from The Avengers (not the film "Iron Man's AI" version).
  • September 1, 2012
    surgoshan
    Perhaps just Valet To The Hero
  • September 3, 2012
    Freud
    Or [1]
  • September 3, 2012
    Stratadrake
    ^ To link to an in-wiki article, just type the article name in Camel Case - no need to enter the full URL.
  • September 3, 2012
    darkclaw
    Just wanted to say I like the current title's pun...check out the dictionary definition of Batman. Can we keep the current title as a redirect?
  • September 3, 2012
    KarjamP
    Also, try making it look more like an actual article, as these are more like "drafts" for trope articles.
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    How about Wise Elder, for a simple Trope name that describes the trope (As I see what you are meaning anyway).
  • September 4, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    That's pretty good, yeh.
  • September 4, 2012
    HonestGent
    Can someone explain to me how this is different from Retired Badass, The Mentor, or The Smart Guy? I'm not seeing it, and as it stands it's ripe for abuse. Cool Old Guy also comes to mind.
  • September 4, 2012
    KageNara
    Well the old man is a friend, he is not always a mentor, nor is he always as a badass. And he is always old so The Smart Guy doesn't really apply either.

    The person could be disliked and a total Jerkass, but with wisdom, and wrinkles.
  • September 6, 2012
    Rognik
    ^Really? I challenge you to get 3 examples where the person does not fit any one of the tropes listed by HonestGent above. I suppose you MAYBE could make this an index for all the cool old guy tropes, if there isn't one already, but I really don't see this as a trope we're lacking.
  • September 28, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    An index for all the cool guy tropes, as someone can be generally just an aged friend who gets the protagonists out of trouble? And Coulson is neithered retired or a mentor, and he isn't the smart guy. Jarvis and Grandma Norma are none of those things, either; Alfred could arguably be none of those, too. So, there's four :)

    Though, generally speaking, all bases are covered and as an index I could just try add this in somehow. I do believe it should stay stand-alone.
  • October 4, 2012
    tardigrade
    Grandpa turns up to save the day in The Lost Boys. "One thing about living in Santa Carla I never could stomach...all the damn vampires".
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