Created By: Pchem on November 29, 2011 Last Edited By: Pchem on March 5, 2012

Laconic Confrontation

A villain appears suddenly and unexpectedly, and immediately, with no words said to the protagonist(s), fighting starts.

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Changed Title. Used to be "Darth Vader Moment" The original name came from a memorable example from The Empire Strikes Back, the scene where Han and Leia are walking in cloud city. They go through a door and Darth Vader is standing there. Immediately and wordlessly, Han draws his blaster and starts lighting up on Vader.

The key factors are:
  • The villain simply and suddenly appears or is revealed where they wouldn't be expected
  • There is no 'so we meet again' type speech or anything, where one might have expected there to have been.
  • very quickly, someone attacks the other, or both at the same time.

Examples:
  • The aforementioned moment in The Empire Strikes Back
  • The Spider Man has a few examples:
    • The very first time Spider-Man went up against Green Goblin, he simply swung in with a kick to the face. They went to the ground for a fight and didn't really say much until the fight was over.
    • Also in the first movie, Spider-Man enters a burning building to save innocents, only to have the Green Goblin show up out of nowhere and punch him in the face. Fighting ensues.
    • In Spider-Man 2, the first time Doctor Octopus shows up, Peter is at the bank with his aunt and narrowly saves them from getting smashed by the bank vault. He changes into Spider-Man and the two start fighting a few seconds before any dialogue is given.
    • Also in Spider-Man 2, Peter and MJ are having dinner when a car suddenly gets thrown through the window and almost flattens them, courtesy of Doctor Octopus who apparently loves throwing heavy objects when he enters scenes.
    • When Harry turns into the second Green Goblin, he first shows up while Peter Parker is coming back from a date, still in his civilian clothes. Peter ends up smashed into a wall before he gets the chance to say anything.
  • The first X Men film has a scene in which Sabertooth throws a log into Wolverine's truck in order to capture Rogue. This also leads into a rare hero example when Cyclops shows up out of nowhere and blasts him. Niether Sabertooth or Cyclops say a word.
  • The children's soap Byker Grove had a more light hearted example, where two girls who were competing to pass their driving tests met one another on the road, stared each other down and deliberately crashed into one another.
Community Feedback Replies: 22
  • November 29, 2011
    Koveras
    Definitely needs a better title. And three examples to start off.
  • November 29, 2011
    wanderlustwarrior
    Three Rules Of Three are guidelines before launch, though. However, you do need a better name.

    I do hope this is a trope if we don't already have it, though. Can't think of any examples to add, but I know I've seen it.
  • November 29, 2011
    Earnest
  • November 29, 2011
    PacificState
    • I'm sure I've seen this in Samurai Champloo, but I can't remember where exactly.
    • Happens all the time in Samurai Jack, what with there being almost no dialogue at all.
    • I think in Batman Year One Bruce Wayne did this in his first sortie as a vigilante.
  • November 29, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Good example of Trope Namer Syndrome, btw.
  • November 29, 2011
    AP
    • The Spider Man has a few examples:
      • The very first time Spider-Man went up against Green Goblin, he simply swung in with a kick to the face. They went to the ground for a fight and didn't really say much until the fight was over.
      • Also in the first movie, Spider-Man enters a burning building to save innocents, only to have the Green Goblin show up out of nowhere and punch him in the face. Fighting ensues.
      • In Spider-Man 2, the first time Doctor Octopus shows up, Peter is at the bank with his aunt and narrowly saves them from getting smashed by the bank vault. He changes into Spider-Man and the two start fighting a few seconds before any dialogue is given.
      • Also in Spider-Man 2, Peter and MJ are having dinner when a car suddenly gets thrown through the window and almost flattens them, courtesy of Doctor Octopus who apparently loves throwing heavy objects when he enters scenes.
      • When Harry turns into the second Green Goblin, he first shows up while Peter Parker is coming back from a date, still in his civilian clothes. Peter ends up smashed into a wall before he gets the chance to say anything.
    • The first X Men film has a scene in which Sabertooth throws a log into Wolverine's truck in order to capture Rogue. This also leads into a rare hero example when Cyclops shows up out of nowhere and blasts him. Niether Sabertooth or Cyclops say a word.
  • November 29, 2011
    AP
    Someone will have to varify but it seemed like a lot of Matrix fights started like this with the exception of the last Neo/Smith fight.
  • November 29, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Compare Chandlers Law.
  • November 30, 2011
    TheChainMan
    If a videogame boss does this in a plot-heavy game, it's a perfect telling sign they're a Giant Space Flea From Nowhere. Otherwise it's the standard for bosses.
  • November 30, 2011
    moocow1452
    This is either an Out Of Context Attack, or a straight up Sneak Attack.
  • November 30, 2011
    Bisected8
    What about calling this Wordless Challenge?

  • November 30, 2011
    Insignificant
    I personally think that the "they can't have dialogue" restriction narrows the trope unnecessarily. "Villain appears out of nowhere at an unexpected time and they fight" is perfectly tropable.
  • November 30, 2011
    HiddenFacedMatt
    We could really use a rename. Character-named tropes are discouraged, and with good reason; they gives little to no indication what it's about, as there are many things associated with a given character; in this case, Vader.

    Granted, a title isn't expected to explain the trope on it's own, but it's supposed to at least set readers on the right track.
  • November 30, 2011
    Pchem
  • November 30, 2011
    Ekuran
    ^That seems like a good name.
  • December 1, 2011
    Mozgwsloiku
    Many of those overlap/include Dynamic Entry
  • December 3, 2011
    pokedude10
    I agree with Insignificant, you don't need to restrict this to battles without dialog.
  • December 4, 2011
    Specialist290
    Title suggestion: Laconic Struggle.
  • December 4, 2011
    Pchem
    Laconic Confrontation?
  • December 4, 2011
    Stratadrake
    Too bad we can't call it Duels Ex Machina.
  • March 4, 2012
    CrystalBlue
    Bump
  • March 5, 2012
    Koveras
    • Ace Combat Zero does it twice: with its Final Boss, who kills your wingman and forces you into dodging his Frickin Laser Beams before your AWACS even realizes that something is there; and with its Bonus Boss, Moebius One, who kinda just appears out of nowhere, obliterates the final boss of the bonus level, and goes after you without a single warning.
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