Created By: Unknown Troper on September 10, 2007
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Taking Some Of Them With Me

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This is when a character, usually a goodie, is about to die and decides to take some people with them by blowing themselves up or crashing their plane (or whatever) into an enemy installation.

To give an example, the alternate Sam Carter in "There But For The Grace of God" (Stargate SG-1)

Suicide Bomber is the obvious title.
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  • September 10, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    I think the protagonist does this in The Running Man. Suicide Bomber sounds fine.
  • September 10, 2007
    etrangere
    I'm really, REALLY against naming it Suicide Bomber. All the wrong kinds of conotations.
  • September 10, 2007
    That Guy
    Yeah, because crashing a plane into a building full of people who are only doing their job is so noble and pure.
  • September 10, 2007
    Madacaek
    Yeah, Suicide Bomber... not really. I'm not one of those people who's all "ZOH EM GEE DATS NOT POLITIKULLY KOHREKT U CANT SAY DAT U RACIST TERRORIST SUPPORTING EVILMANS", but Suicide Bomber doesn't really give you the message of "Hero sacrifices self to destroy some enemies".
  • September 10, 2007
    JonnyD
    How about the marginally less inflammatory Kamikaze Attack? Not that I'm saying Kamikaze are any better or that different to suicide bombers, but Kamikaze isn't such a current term and so would possibly result in less people getting upset if it were used as a title.
  • September 10, 2007
    Karmeleaux
    Kamikaze Attack is probably better than Suicide Bomber, but I'm sure we can find something suitable and better. I commonly hear it referred to as Out With A Bang, but that's already taken due to it being a clever play on words. And Out With A Literal Bang just doesn't have the same ring.
  • September 10, 2007
    SAMAS
    How about being literal? Heroic Kamikaze.
  • September 10, 2007
    ShayGuy
    Happened at least once in Animorphs, in book 18, when the Andalite ship landed behind Yeerk lines.
  • September 10, 2007
    SciVo
    Heroic Kamikaze is actually redundant (it's a Values Dissonance thing). Last Ditch Kamikaze?
  • September 10, 2007
    ShireNomad
    Just Taking You With Me works, imho.

    Don't forget to include the guy who rammed the Super Star Destroyer in Return of the Jedi.
  • September 10, 2007
    Sniffnoy
    Of course, vengeful villains do this too; think Andross in Star Fox 64.
  • September 10, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    Taking You With Me works just fine. In addition, it brings to mind the hero doing this kind of thing with single and especially hated enemies as well, like in the climax of The Professional.
  • September 10, 2007
    Ununnilium
  • September 10, 2007
    Andyroid
    I think I like Taking You With Me, since it also works with villainous examples. Another example would be Dr. Hiluruk from One Piece.
  • September 10, 2007
    Scooter007
    Could expand it to Taking You Down With Me, but Taking You With Me works fine.
  • September 10, 2007
    Haibane
    This has real life counterparts as well. In wartime many pilots of crippled aircraft would use them to ram their targets. This happened on all sides.
  • September 11, 2007
    Earnest
    Superpower Meltdown is one way it can go down.
  • September 11, 2007
    cassius335
    Since I've just suggested it above, The Martyr?
  • September 11, 2007
    adam850
    The Martyr sacrifices himself for the cause, but the name doesn't imply that he is taking out the enemy with him.
  • September 11, 2007
    Sniffnoy
    Also, I think The Martyr would be better used for someone with a whole martyr complex.
  • September 11, 2007
    Karmeleaux
    Yeah, although The Martyr might do this, they might also do something You Shall Not Pass or, you know, just be a normal martyr and die for their beliefs, no struggle involved. And personally, if we're going for The kind of things, I'm biased towards The Trooper.

    You'll take my life but I'll take yours too. You'll fire your musket but I'll run you through.

    That said, Taking You With Me works fine and is a more clear title.
  • September 25, 2007
    etrangere
    bump
  • September 25, 2007
    Vulpy
    Doesn't "I'm taking you with me" sound like one of the Stock Phrases to anyone else, though? I like it worded like that; could be either heroic or villainous that way. It really just shows the limits of true commitment.

  • September 25, 2007
    JonnyD
    I don't think this trope is limited to good or evil characters. Both make use of the suicidal attack, possibly with a cry of their intent of Taking You With Me. The difference is, the good guy is far more likely to survive. If the evil character is attacking, the good guy will escape, resulting in the bad guy achieving nothing but his own death. If the good guy initiates, a lot of the time he'll be saved at the last minute somehow.

    Of course, sometimes the attack works, and the good guy will be morned, either as the hero who sacrificed themselves to rid the world of evil, or the innocent victim who was claimed by the villains suicidal attack.
  • September 26, 2007
    whitetigah
    Almighty copypasta from the YKTTW thread closely related to this one I'd started, to make sure the examples don't get lost when the trope gets a writeup:

    - The Bible: Samson is captured by the Philistines and blinded, then put on public display in the temple. He proceeds to tear down the pillars of said temple, crushing both himself and the Philistines. - In Final Fantasy IX, when you win the battle against Kuja he casts Ultima to kill off your party, but that leaves him drained off and almost dead -- something he probably knows. He didn't succeed, but hey, it's the thought that counts. - In Kingdom Hearts 2, Axel does this when he, Sora, Donald and Goofy are about to get swamped by mooks (I can't remember whether they were heartless or nobodies right now). - Shredder, at the end of the second Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, drank the mutagen, which transformed him into Super Shredder (also somehow transforming his outfit). He attempted to destroy the Turtles along with himself by bringing the pier down on their heads. (This paragraph was shamelessly copy-pasted from One Winged Angel)

    /copypasta

    Also, I think this is closely related to Load Bearing Boss: you defeat a boss and he tries to collapse the dungeon on the party's head to take them to hell with him.

    By the way, I favour Taking You With Me.
  • September 26, 2007
    Unknown Troper
    Still in favour of Suicide Bomber.

    And, of course, where there is moral ambiguity, Warhammer40000 won't be far behind: Rogal Dorn crash landed his ship smack bang in the middle of the chaos forces during the Horus Heresy.
  • September 26, 2007
    Snake712
    In the Kingdom Hearts 2 example, the mooks are nobodies. And I'd say that's also an example of Heroic Sacrifice.
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