Created By: KirbyRider on July 28, 2012 Last Edited By: Ghilz on November 10, 2012
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Durable Speedster

He can take a lot of damage, he is very fast, but can't dish a hit.

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General Drake has been revealed to take it and outspeed Bob. However, he was taken as a Lightning Bruiser, and he only hit softly on bob. He was a Durable Speedster. A Durable Speedster is a Lightning Bruiser without its precious offense. Still, it has great defense and speed, but it is unable to hit hard. Compare Stone Wall. The opposite of Glass Cannon. A Subversion of Lightning Bruiser.

Community Feedback Replies: 28
  • July 28, 2012
    KirbyRider
    So, Pokémon has the most Stone Speeders: Tentacruel (Slowest one here! Speed stat: 100), Jumpluff, Lugia, and Serperior are to name a few.
  • July 28, 2012
    Rognik
    I dunno about the name for this. When I see "Stone Speeder", I'm thinking either slow or heavy. Or literally made of stone, but that seems to be irrelevant to the trope. I'm sure there's a better way to convey strong defense by weak offense. Unless other people don't think the name is a problem.
  • July 28, 2012
    planswalker
    Comparing this to a lightning bruiser is a poor choice for a laconic. Better to compare it to a Mighty Glacier.
  • July 28, 2012
    LittleLizard
    Strange. I know there is a myriad of examples of this, but i can't think of any :|
  • July 29, 2012
    TBeholder
    Fragile Speedster - Lightning Bruiser - ?

    Rubber Speedster?
  • July 29, 2012
    judasmartel
    How about Stone Horse?
  • July 29, 2012
    KirbyRider
    Stone horse? That'll work!
  • July 29, 2012
    HonestGent
    I would think a Stone Horse would hit pretty hard. Doesn't really put across the low offence side, in my opinion.
  • July 29, 2012
    Stratadrake
    I don't see how "rubber" works in the title department. I agree that while Stone Wall's primary quality is its high defense, it also tends to imply low speed, and that high speed+defense is an interesting skill combination. Speedy Wall? Durable Speedster?
  • July 29, 2012
    KirbyRider
    I changed it to Rubber Speedster. Thanks, TBeholder!
  • July 29, 2012
    KirbyRider
    Now, I change it to Durable Speedster!
  • July 29, 2012
    Ghilz
    Reverted Vandalism
  • July 30, 2012
    Lavalyte
    Cannonball?
  • July 30, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Nope, those are known for dishing out damage, not taking it.
  • July 30, 2012
    EdgeOfDreams
    I'm having a pretty hard time coming up with an actual example of this. Most speedy characters tend to dodge attacks rather than endure the hit.
  • July 30, 2012
    piscula
    I can't think of any examples of this other then maybe the pokemon already listed? And the entire conversation thus far has been deciding on a name but it already has a hat, without any examples. Seems kind of ridiculous.
  • August 1, 2012
    KirbyRider
    I only know of Pokemon. Who's in for throwing in other examples?
  • October 3, 2012
    troacctid
    If there aren't any examples, there's no point having a trope for it.
  • October 3, 2012
    AP
    Cannonball from X Men and Speedball from New Warriors are Marvel characters who are quiet fast, can take a lot of damage due to their ability to absorb kinetic energy. Usually, they don't tend to score many KO's against major opponents.
  • October 4, 2012
    acrobox
    Durable Speedster works in theory of 'what are all the options of Competitive Balance' but in actuality few series have characters that fit this model. Low attack, High Speed and High Defense is counter intuitive, and not really productive in a battle either.

    ON OFFENSE: You're fast enough to close in on your opponent and hit them, but you won't even do much damage.

    ON DEFENSE: If you're agile you avoid damage by dodging, if you have high defense you avoid damage by just being able to absorb it. If you're doing both they become redundant specialties. And because you can't do damage the only value of having this combination of stats is wasting time. like a Gradual Grinder or a Joke Character

    Again the only example i can think of are Annoyer Pokemon, that use toxic and then dont get hit. but that's just one series. and again you can do this by either being a Fragile Speedster or a Stone Wall, very few do both at the same time which the trope Gradual Grinder already addresses.
  • October 4, 2012
    m8e
    Doesn't some versions of The Flash fit this trope?
  • October 4, 2012
    acrobox
    I'm not sure if The Flash was ever known for having Super Toughness. He has high stamina but in Competitive balance terms that either translates to high Hit Points a high Mana Meter or a high stamina meter if there is one. Not high defense.
  • October 5, 2012
    WaxingName
    How about discussing this over here, since we're having some discussion on how to fix Competitive Balance.
  • October 5, 2012
    acrobox
    wow that looks like a mess to get into, debating whether to roll up my sleeves or just not
  • November 8, 2012
    QuestionMarker
    I should mention that another YKTTW exists which might be the same thing: Turbocharged Turtler 1. See also the Repair Shop on the Competitive Balance page.
  • November 8, 2012
    StarSword
    Yeah, they're the same. I like the name Durable Speedster better for my version though, so I'm willing to merge.
  • November 10, 2012
    shimaspawn
    <Mod Hat> What exists here that isn't covered by other tropes? We do not need to trope every single possible combination of fighting power, defense, and speed.
  • November 10, 2012
    blueflame724
    Hmm, doesn't Stone Wall cover this? As it says, they're not necessarily slow and clumsy, it's just that above all else, toughness is the defining trait.
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