Created By: GeneralitySeptember 6, 2012 Last Edited By: SharleeDOctober 20, 2012
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Bewitched Amphibians

Witches and Wizards are known for transforming people into small amphibians.

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Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she is a witch?
Peasant: She turned me into a newt! *Beat* I got better.

Almost the first thing that everybody knows about Wizards And Witches is that they turn people into amphibians: usually Frogs And Toads, with the occasional salamander, although the exact form varies. It's their standard party trick, the sorcerous equivalent of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. This is so well-known that anybody faced with a Wicked Witch is likely to beg her not to do this, at which point she'll probably do something much worse instead.

Currently, this has become a partially Discredited Trope, and when faced with the stereotype, magic-users are more likely to irritably explain that turning people into frogs is impractical with so many other spells at hand. However, they're still quite likely to do it if it becomes convenient.

Whether the victim turns back when the spellcaster dies varies. Note that, while several species of real amphibian have skin that's poisonous to the touch, this trope generally assumes the finished product is both harmless and defenseless.

Subtrope of Baleful Polymorph.

Examples:

Film
  • In O Brother Where Art Thou, a retelling of The Odyssey, Delmar is at one point convinced the three "sirens" (seductive washerwomen) have done this to Pete. In fact, they've turned him in to the authorities.
  • In The Black Cauldron, Fflewddur Fflam gets turned into a frog by one of the witch sisters who wants to eat him, but he gets changed back by the one who has a crush on him.
  • The Princess And The Frog, naturally. Both main characters get turned into frogs by Facilier.

Literature
  • The Frog Prince is probably the Trope Codifier.
  • Whenever the various sorcerers of the Belgariad are in trouble, the first thing nearby muggles suggest is that they transform the enemy into something harmless, usually with a mystical hand gesture. Polgara once turned a Cherek king into a man-sized frog so that he would take her seriously.
  • Witches and Wizards alike in the Discworld can do this, but tend not to because it takes a lot of effort. Granny Weatherwax, particularly, prefers to simply make the victim think they've been transformed.
    • In Witches Abroad, the witch Lily Weatherwax inverted this trope, turning a frog into a prince so he could rule as a figurehead under her control.
    • In Going Postal, one of the bankers threatens to sue Unseen University in the heat of the moment. Archchancellor Ridcully's reply?
      Ridcully: Oh, please sue the University! We've got ponds full of people who've tried to sue the University!
    • In The Wee Free Men, the toad who joins forces with Tiffany and the pictsies used to be a human lawyer, until he helped a client sue her own fairy godmother. Bad move.
  • Morwen, the resident good witch in the Enchanted Forest Chronicles, is offended at the suggestion, although she considers doing it to Arona Vamist because he irritates her so much. Her cats encourage it as they want something to play with.
  • In The Lord Of The Rings, when Sam is caught eavesdropping on Frodo and Gandalf's conversation about the One Ring, he begs the wizard not to turn him into "anything unnatural", and Frodo insists it'll be a warty toad if Sam doesn't keep his mouth shut. Since it's a fairly low-magic setting, by modern fantasy considerations, it's unlikely that Gandalf could actually do it if he wanted to.
  • In Tom Holt's Falling Sideways, intelligent alien frogs who came to Earth long ago have the power to make themselves seem human, and to make humans appear and act like frogs. The prince isn't really a frog, but the princess is!
  • Harry Dresden has jokingly threatened to turn people into toads. Though it's an empty threat as unwilling transformations are against the White Council's laws.
  • In Pamela Dean's Secret Country books, a character uses "Shan can turn you into a toad!" as an expression of annoyance, referring to a legendary wizard named Shan.
  • In A Bad Spell For The Worst Witch, Mildred tells Sybil and Clarice that she thinks Miss Hardbroom did this to a girl who became the frog she's seen in the school pond. Later in the book, Ethel turns Mildred into a frog. Whilst in her frog form, Mildred meets the frog in the pond who it turns out is a wizard who got into a fight with another wizard and ended up stuck as a frog when the latter cast a spell on him.
  • In Yendi, it's mentioned that Sethra Lavode, one of the world's most powerful sorcerers, sometimes turns intruders into jhegaala. The jhegaala is an animal that metamorphoses repeatedly in its life, but resembles a toad at one of its life-stages. Also, the Sorceress in Green threatens to turn Vlad into a newt in the same novel; his retort is a Shout Out to the Crowner, above.
  • Zigzagged in Dungeon of Dread, a pick-a-path book based on the D&D game. The Evil Sorcerer turns innocent villagers into animals, including one who became a toad ... not a helpless one, as this trope usually features, but a giant toad large and fierce enough to guard his lair.

Tabletop RPG
  • Forgotten Realms got some of this: From the introduction of Volo's Guide to All Things Magical, 2 ed. --
    Elminster: To readers who trust in the sword or the dagger and hope to find in these pages a guide to how to lay mages low, I tender the following piece of very good advice: "Wizards? Avoid 'em. Life's better when ye're not a frog." That anonymous trail saying of the Sword Coast lands has been around a long, long time, but it is best never forgotten--if ye take my point.
    "Why, Dhaerivus, I recall my first magefair!" He nodded in reflection and added dryly, "Ye made a most fetching toad."
  • Dungeons And Dragons Forgotten Realms setting, supplement Pages from the Mages. During the course of a feud between the wizards Phelpar of Rassatan and Selvar of Taruin, Phelpar turned Selvar into a frog. Selvar had to hop many miles to reach a cave where he had hidden a cache of magic that could return him to normal.
  • In the 5th and 6th editions of Champions, the superheroine Witchcraft is built as a standard superhero-mage ... but has a spell to turn people into frogs. One of the "cure" conditions is even being kissed.

Video Games
  • Frog in Chrono Trigger got his moniker and his shape from Magus, the Disc One Final Boss, who saw the young Glenn as a harmless foe and wanted to humiliate him. If you let Frog kill Magus in the Duel Boss near the end of the game, he will have reverted to his original form by the end credits.
  • In Final Fantasy III you are capable of turning your enemies into Frogs with the Frog spell and at one point have to turn yourselves into Frogs to progress.
    • In Final Fantasy IV (II in the US release), not only are there in-battle frog (and pig) transformation spells, but at one point the townspeople turn you into frogs and pigs for revenge for your earlier actions as the Dark Knight.
    • Additionally, there is an enemy called the Bog Witch, who enters battle with several Bog Toads and orders them to cast Toad on you every round. When they're all killed, she turns herself into a Toad.
  • Final Fantasy Dimensions:
    • The witch Styx turns the world-famous bard Eduardo into a frog after promising him a way to be together with the mermaid he loves. The spell is only broken by the mermaid's kiss, with the twist being that the mermaid is actually his mother and the kiss is on the forehead.
    • There is also a dungeon where the party must turn themselves into frogs to proceed, probably as a deliberate Mythology Gag to Final Fantasy III.
  • World Of Warcraft plays this straight as an arrow with the Shamans' Hex ability. Mages get something similar, but it turns their targets into sheep...or monkeys, penguins...you get the idea.
  • In Crash Bandicoot 3 Warped, getting hit by a wizard's "energy blast" in Medieval stages turns him into a frog, costing you a life.
  • In Scribblenauts, the magic wand (which is the default weapon of witches and wizards) shoots bolts that change living things into frogs.
  • In Escape From Moonbase Alpha, Deadly Doris (an animated television set, possibly inspired by Evil Edna in Willow The Wisp), has a chance of turning the player into a frog when she attacks.
  • An odd example (subverted inversion?) is in Video Game/Glover. You can cast the frog spell onto witches, but they will reverse the spell right back at you.
  • In Jazz Jackrabbit 2, there's a witch that turns you into a frog, and being kissed by Eva Earlong turns you back into a hare. There is only one only place where this happens, and it is in the demo levels.
  • In Cave Story, Misery turns Balrog into a giant frog for a boss battle.
  • In Kings Quest V, the witch in the forest has turned numerous people into frogs, and can turn Graham into a frog as well.
  • Mages have a reputation for doing this in Dragon Age. In fact, Alistair can say that he prefers to know his odds of becoming a toad at any given moment.

Western Animation
  • An Inversion in the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror parody of Harry Potter: students are expected to turn frogs (presumably of original frog descent) into princes.
  • In the old The Legend Of Zelda cartoon, there's an episode where Ganon turns Link into a frog.
    Witch of the Wall: Yes, Ganon may have his faults but he does do the classics well.
  • In a Fractured Fairy Tale from Rocky And Bullwinkle a princess finds a prince which has been turned into a frog. He wants her to kiss him to turn him back into a prince but she refuses. "A talking frog! I'll make a fortune!"
  • In Shrek the Third, King Harold gets turned back into a frog after being turned into a human by Fairy Godmother.
Community Feedback Replies: 72
  • September 6, 2012
    Euan2000
    In Final Fantasy 3 you are capable of turning your enemies into Frogs with the Frog spell and at one point have to turn yourselves into Frogs to progress.
  • September 6, 2012
    CaveCat
    • In The Black Cauldron, Fflewddur Fflam gets turned into a frog by one of the witch sisters who wants to eat him, but he gets changed back by the one who has a crush on him.
  • September 6, 2012
    chicagomel
    The Princess And The Frog, naturally. Both main characters get turned into frogs by Facillier(sp?)
  • September 6, 2012
    Tuckerscreator
    Comic Books

    • One of the strangest of Thor comics was the series where Loki turned him into a frog. Thor proceeded to get caught in a battle between the rats and frogs of Central Park, but later found his hammer and regained his powers and suit, only now in a frog's body. Eventually Thor's friend Volstagg restored him. The incident has been joked about several times since.

    Any of the pictures here could serve as the page image.
  • September 6, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Please spoiler-tag the last sentence of the Chrono Trigger example; this is not generally a spoiler-heavy trope.
    • In Final Fantasy IV (II in the US release), not only are there in-battle frog and pig transformation spells, but at some point the townspeople turn you into frogs and pigs for revenge for your earlier actions as the Dark Knight.
  • September 6, 2012
    NimmerStill
    • An Inversion in the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror parody of Harry Potter: students are expected to turn frogs (presumably of original frog descent) into princes.
  • September 6, 2012
    Xtifr
    Wow, did we really not have this? I'm sure I can come up with more examples, but here's one to start.

    Literature
    • In Tom Holt's Falling Sideways, intelligent alien frogs who came to Earth long ago have the power to make themselves seem human, and to make humans appear and act like frogs. The prince isn't really a frog, but the princess is!

  • September 6, 2012
    Tallens
    • World Of Warcraft plays this straight as an arrow with the Shamans' Hex ability. Mages get something similar, but it turns their targets into sheep...or monkeys, penguins...you get the idea.

    Also:

    I'm not sure if this is Live Action TV or film, or a direct to video thing.
    • Frog is about a teenager who buys a frog that suddenly starts talking to him. The frog claims to be a prince who was turned into a frog six hundred years ago by a witch.
  • September 6, 2012
    KarjamP
    Isn't this Baleful Polymorph, But More Specific?

    If it's worthy to be a subtrope, then here's an example:

    • In Crash Bandicoot 3 Warped, getting hit by a wizard's "energy blast" in Medieval stages turns him into a frog, costing you a life.
  • September 6, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In a Fractured Fairy Tale from Rocky And Bullwinkle a princess finds a prince which has been turned into a frog. He wants her to kiss him to turn him back into a prince but she refuses. "A talking frog! I'll make a fortune!"
  • September 7, 2012
    Stratadrake
    I agree that if this is going to be a subtrope of Baleful Polymorph, we need something to distinguish why frogs specifically are a creature of choice. Maybe it's because they're generally considered repulsive and slimy?
  • September 7, 2012
    Generality
    I think it's Popcultural Osmosis from the frog prince, but that's a guess. Actually, small reptiles and amphibians seem to be popular polymorphs since long before that particular story caught on. Maybe it's just one of the most disgusting things to have to become?
  • September 7, 2012
    SharleeD
    If it's to be specific enough to rate a subtrope, then it ought to be frogs-only, or at the very least amphibians-only. Certainly pigs don't belong here at all, as an adult pig is often larger than an adult human.

    • Also from Discworld, the witch Lily Weatherwax inverted this trope, turning a frog into a prince so he could rule as a figurehead under her control.
  • September 7, 2012
    Xtifr
    Frogs is definitely a thing. It's tradition. See Frogs And Toads, which points out that The Frog Prince (a work) is being used as a trope. But I agree that small critters in general is just Baleful Polymorph.
  • September 7, 2012
    ccoa
    • Final Fantasy Dimensions:
      • The witch Styx turns the world-famous bard Eduardo into a frog after promising him a way to be together with the mermaid he loves. The spell is only broken by the mermaid's kiss, with the twist being that the mermaid is actually his mother and the kiss is on the forehead.
      • There is also a dungeon where the party must turn themselves into frogs to proceed, probably as a deliberate Mythology Gag to Final Fantasy III.
  • September 7, 2012
    BOFH
    Video Games
  • September 7, 2012
    Generality
    ^13: The problem with frog-Thor as a page image is that it's too specific and bizarre to really demonstrate the trope, which doesn't usually apply to Norse gods.

    ^3: It's definitely mostly limited to frogs, with the occasional newt or other such tiny reptile which is close enough. It also seems fit to include mice, which are a secondary favourite, probably because of the association of witches with cats. Big animals like pigs are right out, though.
  • September 8, 2012
    Stratadrake
    • In the first Quest For Glory, the player's first encounter with the ogress Baba Yaga sees them turned into a frog rather quickly. This is reprised in the fourth game, where Baba Yaga turns the player into a hedgehog instead of a frog (owing to how the player reflected the frog spell back upon her at the end of the first game).
  • September 8, 2012
    MrRuano
    • Probably the only fighting game example, Killer Instinct has Orchid turn her enemy into a frog for one of her finishers. She can then jump on the frog, crushing it and causing it's guts to spill out.
  • September 8, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In the backstory of Freddie As FRO 7 (Freddie the Frog in the US) Freddie was a prince who got turned frog as a boy by an evil aunt. Then he grew up (while still shaped like a frog) and joined MI 5.
  • September 8, 2012
    Dawnwing
    • In The Sims: Makin' Magic, one spell Sims can learn is Toadfication, which, naturally, turns another Sim into a toad.
  • September 9, 2012
    TwinBird
    Not splittable. Since you've specified "any other small creature," and made clear that gods (Circe, Loki) count as "Wizards And Witches," this is barely more specific, only excluding science fiction. I suppose also large creatures, or inanimate objects, but the former are rare as "hostile" transformations, and the latter I'm not sure are supposed to be there in the first place.
  • September 9, 2012
    Xtifr
    I tend to agree. Limiting this to frogs and toads is the only way to make it work. Frog and toads is an archetype; small creatures is just The Same But More Specific.
  • September 9, 2012
    Generality
    ^^ I'm not including deities. Circe is a goddess in Greek myth, but her methods and manner scream "witch", and she's generally called a sorceress rather than a goddess. Loki... Well, comic-book Loki is technically an alien as far as I can tell, so he's hard to place. The Thor example is iffy.

    I agree that we should limit this to certain creatures, but I want to include mice. They seem to be part of the archetype. Other small reptiles and rodents would be variations on this. When someone is turned into a newt or ferret, it's still clearly a reference to this idea, and thus an example of the trope.
  • September 9, 2012
    Bisected8
    Surely turning someone into small animals in general would just be the supertrope, Baleful Polymorph? I was under the impression that specific cases involving frogs need their own trope because it's the stereotypical example.
  • September 9, 2012
    zarpaulus
    The description as is is a lot like the spell description for the Trope Namer of Baleful Polymorph.

    "As polymorph, except that you change the subject into a Small or smaller animal of no more than 1 HD (such as a dog, lizard, monkey, or toad)."
    Player's Handbook, Dungeons And Dragons v.3.5
  • September 10, 2012
    Generality
    I think you're getting too caught up in species here. The crux of this trope isn't about what exact creature someone becomes. It's about the specific and uncannily frequen predilection of witches and wizards to turn people into them.

    Imagine you're a wizard. You can blast your enemies to pieces with arcane power, work subtle tricks on their minds, or use various forms of guile to spy on them and interfere with their works. How likely is it that changing them into a frog or anything else will be the best course of action? And yet, in fantasy and especially fairy tales, it seems to be the first thing many of them try, to the extent that people, seeing the sign of a witch or wizard, are immediately afraid that such will be their fate. That's the trope.

    I think the title is contributing to this misunderstanding, so I've changed it. But I think we still need something better.
  • September 10, 2012
    NimmerStill
    I must have done a typo on the Simpsons example; they turned the frogs into princes, not a princess.
  • September 10, 2012
    TBeholder
    ^^ yup, that's what makes it a trope.

    • Forgotten Realms got some of this: From the introduction of Volo's Guide to All Things Magical, 2 ed. --
      Elminster: To readers who trust in the sword or the dagger and hope to find in these pages a guide to how to lay mages low, I tender the following piece of very good advice: "Wizards? Avoid 'em. Life's better when ye're not a frog." That anonymous trail saying of the Sword Coast lands has been around a long, long time, but it is best never forgotten--if ye take my point.

  • September 10, 2012
    zarpaulus
    In that case:
    • Harry Dresden has jokingly threatened to turn people into toads. Though it's an empty threat as unwilling transformations are against the White Council's laws.
  • September 10, 2012
    Antigone3
    Tabletop Games: In the 5th and 6th editions of Champions, the superheroine Witchcraft is built as a standard superhero-mage ... but has a spell to turn people into frogs. One of the "cure" conditions is even being kissed.
  • September 10, 2012
    Sheliak
    In Pamela Dean's Secret Country books, a character uses "Shan can turn you into a toad!" as an expression of annoyance, referring to a legendary wizard named Shan.
  • September 10, 2012
    Eric119
    In Jazz Jackrabbit 2, there's a witch that turns you into a frog, and being kissed by Eva Earlong turns you back into a hare. There is only one only place where this happens, and it is in the demo levels.

    In Cave Story, Misery turns Balrog into a giant frog for a boss battle.

    In Kings Quest V, the witch in the forest has turned numerous people into frogs, and can turn you into a frog as well.
  • September 11, 2012
    KarjamP
    I think the current name should be made ore gender-neutral, as it only says "Witches do that".

    Besides, I think the current name's cumbersome.
  • September 11, 2012
    Arivne
    Tabletop RPG
    • Dungeons And Dragons Forgotten Realms setting, supplement Pages from the Mages. During the course of a feud between the wizards Phelpar of Rassatan and Selvar of Taruin, Phelpar turned Selvar into a frog. Selvar had to hop many miles to reach a cave where he had hidden a cache of magic that could return him to normal.
  • September 11, 2012
    Stratadrake
    The current title is cumbersome. It's also a complete sentence, not a noun phrase. (Which is part of the reasoning behind No New Stock Phrases).

    ^^^ Cave Story is Not An Example, not in spirit. Yes she did literally turn Balrog into a giant frog, but it wasn't a Baleful Polymorph (which is intended to disable/dispose of someone).
  • September 11, 2012
    triassicranger
    Literature

    Some examples from The Worst Witch:
    • In the first book, Ethel dares Mildred to turn her into a pig, which is what then happens.
    • Later in The Worst Witch Strikes Again after encountering Enid's cat, which has been morphed into a monkey, Miss Hardbroom thinks that it's Ethel and accuses Mildred of doing the same thing she did in the previous book.
    • In A Bad Spell For The Worst Witch, Mildred tells Sybil and Clarice that she thinks Miss Hardbroom did this to a girl who became the frog she's seen in the school pond. Later in the book, Ethel turns Mildred into a frog. Whilst in her frog form, Mildred meets the frog in the pond who it turns out is a wizard who got into a fight with another wizard and ended up stuck as a frog when the latter cast a spell on him.

    Live Action Television

    And now, examples from the Worst Witch's tv adaptation:
    • In episode 2, the class are writing letters to home and Miss Hardbroom teleports around the class reading everyones' letters. When she gets to Jadu, she reads out "Call this a witch school, I haven't turned anyone into a frog yet!"
    • Episode 3 adapts the story where Ethel gets morphed into a pig. The television series adds a scene where Charlie accidentally turns Ethel from being a pig to a duck (he mispronounced a word when he was spellcasting). When she is finally morphed back she morphs Charlie into a donkey.
    • Another episode has Mildred and her friends morph a man into a dog in order to scare off his boss.
    • In episode one from season 2, Miss Bat claims that she was never a form tutor. Miss Drill then counters this and tells Miss Bat she used to be until an incident where she morphed herself and her class into birds and migrated for winter.
    • A season 3 episode features two witches accidentally brought to the future: one good, one evil. At the end of the episode, the good witch defeats her opponent by turning her into a mouse.
    • Another season 3 episode has Mildred accidentally morph Miss Drill into a sausage dog (after reciting the spell for it and absentmindedly aiming her fingers at her). Later in the same episode, a girl from Pentangles (a rival school) is morphed into a chicken by Mildred during a fight. Later in that same episode Icy Stevens is morphed into a frog by Ethel (when she was trying to hit Mildred).
    • In the Christmas Episode, during the school play, Mildred and Ethel both end up playing Cinderella. At one point, Ethel magics Mildred off the stage and yells that she was an imposter Cinderella. Mildred then calls Ethel a "complete turkey" and then morphs her into one! Ethel leaves the stage in embarrassment.
    • The final episode from season 1 of The New Worst Witch has Miss Hardbroom turned into a mouse by Agatha Cackle.

    And now an example not from the Worst Witch:
    • Back To Sherwood has an episode where Robyn puts on a magic show for the Sheriff of Nottingham and his sorceress. During the show, she makes it look as though she has morphed the sheriff's son into a mouse (she hadn't, the son escaped through a trap door).
  • September 11, 2012
    Waterlily
    Oops! Already mentioned!
  • September 11, 2012
    SharleeD
    Another Discworld example:

    • In Going Postal, one of the bankers threatens to sue Unseen University in the heat of the moment. Archchancellor Ridcully's reply?
      Ridcully: Oh, please sue the University! We've got ponds full of people who've tried to sue the University!

    And BTW, would people please quit calling the standard-issue results of this trope "reptiles", here? Frogs are amphibians, as are toads and newts. Call them reptiles when this launches, and it'll get pounced on by hundreds of complaints.
  • September 12, 2012
    triassicranger
    Western Animation
    • There was a Treehouse Of Horror episode from The Simpsons where a witch shows up at the Halloween party. She is presented with the prize for best costume, only it transpires she wasn't in costume at all and is not given the prize. Enraged, she morphs everyone in Springfield into the costumes they were wearing (e.g. Marge becomes a skeleton, Lisa becomes Einstein).

    Would that example count?
  • September 12, 2012
    Arivne
    ^ Both this trope and Baleful Polymorph are about changing a person/character into an animal, so as written that example wouldn't be either.
  • September 12, 2012
    triassicranger
    ^ Thanks for clearing that up. And now another example.

    Film
    • In Hocus Pocus, the three witches turn Binks into a cat after he tries to rescue his sister. He then spends everyone Halloween afterward making sure no one lights the candle that will bring the witches back to life.
  • September 12, 2012
    Acebrock
    • In Monty Python And The Holy Grail, several villagers have a woman on trial, accusing her of being a witch. One of them says "she turned me into a newt (beat) I Got Better."
    • Mages have a reputation for doing this in Dragon Age. In fact,Alistair can say that he prefers to know his odds of becoming a toad at any given moment.

    Also, the word Scribblenauts needs curly brackets around it, to make a link
  • September 13, 2012
    TBeholder
    • Used as a Noodle Incident in Elminster at the Magefair by Ed Greenwood.
      "Why, Dhaerivus, I recall my first magefair!" He nodded in reflection and added dryly, "Ye made a most fetching toad."
  • September 14, 2012
    Generality
    For now, I'm going to ignore most of the Worst Witch examples because they don't involve frogs. Same for the Simpsons and Hocus Pocus. I'm going to include the Cave Story example because, although Balrog is not technically a Baleful Polymorph in that case, Misery is a witch and the trope is clearly being referenced.

    In any case, we have tons of examples now. But still need a better title.
  • September 14, 2012
    NimmerStill
    There's still a typo in the Simpsons Inversion example. It's "princes", not "a princess".
  • September 14, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Are you still accepting rat examples? (I've lost the thread of the discussion somehow.) If so:
    • Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Witch Amy turns herself into a rat to escape being Burned At The Stake, but since she's now a rat she can't undo the spell. She remains a rat for about 2 and a half seasons, while Willow tries to find a way to reverse the spell.
  • September 15, 2012
    SharleeD

    And yet another Discworld example of note:
    • In The Wee Free Men, the toad who joins forces with Tiffany and the pictsies used to be a human lawyer, until he helped a client sue her own fairy godmother. Bad move.

    BTW, if this trope is once again going to be Frogs And Toads only, the description's mention of Circe really doesn't fit as Trope Codifier anymore: pigs should be left for Baleful Polymorph.
  • September 15, 2012
    DrakeClawfang
    Add on for the Final Fantasy IV example

    Additionally, there is an enemy called the Bog Witch, who enters battle with several Bog Toads and orders them to cast Toad on you every round. When they're all killed, she turns herself into a Toad.
  • September 26, 2012
    Generality
    I've tweaked the body text, mainly to remove the Circe example as discussed above.

    This trope is ready to launch, but still needs a better title!
  • September 27, 2012
    KarjamP
    Isn't this the (misused) trope Baleful Polymorph?

    Therefore, I don't suggest to launch until the trope definition of either this one or the other one is changed.
  • September 28, 2012
    Telcontar
    It isn't Baleful Polymorph, though it can be related -- a subtrope, perhaps? This is someone knowing that a character is a witch because they turn people to frogs, the stereotype of witches turning people to frogs, and so on. Whilst a frog is (normally) a harmless creature, that trope is usually about defense and isn't necessarily witches.
  • September 28, 2012
    KarjamP
    Baleful Polymorph is about turning people into animals like frogs, etc.

    Therefore, this could be The Same But More Specific.
  • September 28, 2012
    Telcontar
    It isn't The Same But More Specific -- it has the specific clause of turning someone into an amphibian, but then expands away from Baleful Polymorph in that this is an indicator of witchiness or something all witches do. Therefore, it's a trope in its own right.
  • September 28, 2012
    KarjamP
    I didn't mean to post the above one, as I had realised the difference before I had posted.

    Must've clicked "send reply" by accident.
  • September 28, 2012
    SharleeD
    Definitely a subtrope.

    • In Yendi, it's mentioned that Sethra Lavode, one of the world's most powerful sorcerers, sometimes turns intruders into jhegaala. The jhegaala is an animal that metamorphoses repeatedly in its life, but resembles a toad at one of its life-stages.
  • September 28, 2012
    lilliterra
    Possible title: Bewitched Amphibians? That would cover toad, frogs, AND newts etc. for bonus points.
  • September 28, 2012
    SharleeD
    If salamanders are to be included, that needn't require a title change, so long as there's a mention of the "newt" variant in the description.

    "Bewitched" could be misleading, as it makes it sound like (normal) frogs are being placed under the influence of a spell.
  • October 1, 2012
    norsicnumber2nd
    Shrek The Third, King Harold gets turned back into a frog after being turned into a human by Fairy Godmother.
  • October 12, 2012
    SharleeD
    There are still several non-amphibian examples that need to be pruned, BTW.

  • October 15, 2012
    Chernoskill
    Inverted (?) in Dungeon Keeper where wizards and similar creatures get turned into a frog and back when being tortured.
  • October 15, 2012
    shimaspawn
    <Mod Note>

    Witches Turn People Into Frogs is not a page name. It is a laconic. It must be changed in order for the trope to be launched.
  • October 15, 2012
    SharleeD
    Maybe something like "Standard Frog Transformation" would work?

  • October 16, 2012
    Generality
    ^ ^^ That's what the Crowner is for.
  • October 16, 2012
    m8e
    "Witches and Wizards are known for transforming people into small amphibians." Isn't really a good laconic, it just a claim like "The sun is known for going down"

    Is this trope about the common (mis)conceptions that witches and wizards turn people into amphibians?

    Is it about the witches and wizards who are known to turn people into amphibians?

    Is it about the witches and wizards who are known because they turn people into amphibians?

    Witches and wizards who turn people into amphibians?

    The act of turning people into amphibians?

    or what? and why small?
  • October 16, 2012
    FalconPain
    Non-baleful example!

    In Castlevania Portrait Of Ruin, the witch protagonist Charlotte learns how to cast a Toad Morph on herself and Jonathan to aid their progress. Backtracking with the spell is required to reach the best ending.
  • October 17, 2012
    Darthcaliber
    another Rocky And Bullwinkle Fractured Fairy Tale example inverted the idea. Due to a shortage of Princes to turn into frogs a witch finds a frog and turns him into a prince.
  • October 19, 2012
    Generality
    ^^^ No one has so far claimed any difficulty in understanding what the trope was about (except when it had a different, misleading title). And since the laconic doesn't launch with the page and will be forever forgotten, I'm not inclined to worry about it.

    It doesn't look like we're going to get a better title than the current one, but I'll wait a little longer to see if someone has another idea.
  • October 19, 2012
    Astaroth
    • In Final Fantasy IX, Regent Cid was tranformed into an Oglop by his wife as a punishment for infidelity. Dr Tot attempts to concoct a potion that will restore him to human form... which turns him into a frog instead.

    • Kingdom Of Loathing has a CLEESH spell which transforms the target into a random amphibian.
  • October 19, 2012
    SharleeD
    • The inversion was subverted in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon: when Eric gets turned into a frog-like "bogbeast" (by a cursed plant, not a witch), Presto's attempts to change him back into a human only make things worse.
  • October 19, 2012
    shimaspawn
    ^ Not an Inversion or a subversion. Please don't use Playing With Tropes if you don't understand it. An inversion would be a frog getting turned into a man. A subversion would be setting up that kissing him would turn him back and having it fail. Not having a known to be incompetent wizard mess up yet again. The cartoon plays tropes straight for humour. It doesn't invert or subvert.
  • October 20, 2012
    Dawnwing
    Posting this example again since it got missed (and adding a bit more to it).

    • In The Sims: Makin' Magic, one of the first spells Sims can learn is Toadfication, which, naturally, turns another Sim into a toad. If your Sim tries a spell on a magic-user that is more powerful than them, the target will realize what is about to happen and whip out their own wand, quickly using Toadification on the person trying it before they can finish casting the original spell.

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